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Old 03-28-2022, 11:41 AM   #26
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Thursday night 9:30EST, boys! Big brakes, wide front fenders, and AWD.

Anyone else concerned Toyota may be developing a twisted sense of humor?

The All-New GR Sports car World Premiere April 1, 2022

on April 1,10:30 a.m. JST

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Old 03-28-2022, 12:01 PM   #27
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Old 03-28-2022, 12:18 PM   #28
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Anyone else concerned Toyota may be developing a twisted sense of humor?

The All-New GR Sports car World Premiere April 1, 2022

on April 1,10:30 a.m. JST

I don't think April 1 means anything in Japan, luckily it's Mar 31 in the US.
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Old 03-28-2022, 12:45 PM   #29
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The skirts and fender vents are even bigger than on the rendering. I wonder if the rear quarter flares will be bigger too.
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Old 03-28-2022, 01:57 PM   #30
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I could live with that ^^^
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Old 03-28-2022, 10:47 PM   #31
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Yey! Finally a fun to drive Corolla!
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Old 03-28-2022, 10:58 PM   #32
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The skirts and fender vents are even bigger than on the rendering. I wonder if the rear quarter flares will be bigger too.
Not gonna lie, looks pretty good. But, I have a feeling it will cost more than Iíd want to spend on it.
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Not gonna lie, looks pretty good. But, I have a feeling it will cost more than Iíd want to spend on it.
I donít know. The GRC forum is like a bunch of children before recess with free ice cream right now. Speculation about this, about that. Just wait a few more days. Thursday night is just a few days away.

Pricing, the G16 engine and GR4 AWD system are paid for, R&D wise, already. That was part of the homologation budget for GRY, and theyíve sold plenty production models of those. Corolla, existing car. This is like a 1M or something, parts bin car. Mix and mash of existing components, hardware, and chassis. Itís not going to cost what a Golf R does by any means. 37k maybe, with the diffs. They may offer a base, like the GRY, no diffs, for low 30k range, and the full Monty for high 30k range. No clue but I see a lot of people guessing, and being real pessimistic. Truth is always in the middle.
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I don't know. The GRC forum is like a bunch of children before recess with free ice cream right now. Speculation about this, about that. Just wait a few more days. Thursday night is just a few days away.

Pricing, the G16 engine and GR4 AWD system are paid for, R&D wise, already. That was part of the homologation budget for GRY, and they've sold plenty production models of those. Corolla, existing car. This is like a 1M or something, parts bin car. Mix and mash of existing components, hardware, and chassis. It's not going to cost what a Golf R does by any means. 37k maybe, with the diffs. They may offer a base, like the GRY, no diffs, for low 30k range, and the full Monty for high 30k range. No clue but I see a lot of people guessing, and being real pessimistic. Truth is always in the middle.
Autoblog thinks we're getting the diffs, not that they know anything.

It does sort of fit - why make it a widebody, with fancy brakes and 300 hp, and not bring the LSDs.
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If it came around $37k loaded, I'd be interested. If it exceeds $44k, I'm out. M2C is still my radar car.
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:34 AM   #36
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If it came around $37k loaded, I'd be interested. If it exceeds $44k, I'm out. M2C is still my radar car.
If this is supposed to be on par with the WRX then I would think $32K base.

Add track pack for the diffs, $34-36K max.
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:54 AM   #37
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If this is supposed to be on par with the WRX then I would think $32K base.

Add track pack for the diffs, $34-36K max.
This car is a level above the WRX and would be more of an STI competitor. The GR Yaris with the circuit pack was priced nearly the same as the Civic Type R in the UK. Corolla is a more expensive starting point than a Yaris so I would expect the price floor to be the Civic Type R and the ceiling being the Golf R.
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:55 AM   #38
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If this is supposed to be on par with the WRX then I would think $32K base.

Add track pack for the diffs, $34-36K max.
My guess is also that there will be a ~$33k base trim and ~$37k trim with diffs, but top trim will have a few other things that will make it a must-have even if you aren't concerned about diffs. So everyone will want the top trim which will constitute <20% of production, like the 86

Be thankful there will be no AT in the mix for now to cut the pool of produced cars that people actually want down further.
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Old 03-29-2022, 12:29 PM   #39
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This car is a level above the WRX and would be more of an STI competitor. The GR Yaris with the circuit pack was priced nearly the same as the Civic Type R in the UK. Corolla is a more expensive starting point than a Yaris so I would expect the price floor to be the Civic Type R and the ceiling being the Golf R.
Depends on the engine tune too. They could tune it down a bit for a WRX level trim and a higher tune with diffs as the Type R, R, STI.... oops competitor.

But they could play nice with Subaru and not offer a WRX competitor and just go fully loaded as what would have been the STI.

The way Toyota has been relatively secret and teasing really builds the anticipation. There haven't been many spy shots of this car.
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Old 03-29-2022, 12:39 PM   #40
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I'll be amazed if this car starts at less than $39,450 (before destination).
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Old 03-29-2022, 01:10 PM   #41
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Depends on the engine tune too. They could tune it down a bit for a WRX level trim and a higher tune with diffs as the Type R, R, STI.... oops competitor.

But they could play nice with Subaru and not offer a WRX competitor and just go fully loaded as what would have been the STI.

The way Toyota has been relatively secret and teasing really builds the anticipation. There haven't been many spy shots of this car.
If this is a GR, I would doubt that there is another higher performance trim. Heck I wouldnít be surprised if there is just one option as this car is technically a trim of the Corolla hatch. Maybe some options for interior and such but Iím not sure there will be different GR trims with mechanical differences. Just some packages to add accessories and such.
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If this is a GR, I would doubt that there is another higher performance trim. Heck I wouldnít be surprised if there is just one option as this car is technically a trim of the Corolla hatch. Maybe some options for interior and such but Iím not sure there will be different GR trims with mechanical differences. Just some packages to add accessories and such.
It's only speculation as they do a Circuit Pack for the GR Yaris.

Likely, especially in today's supply chain environment, I do see this as a single loaded model.

As for a higher trim, I'm sure we'll see a GRMN Corolla but that will likely be limited production and not available here.
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I'll be amazed if this car starts at less than $39,450 (before destination).

It's a Corolla, not an Impreza WRX STI

The thing is if it is priced that high they will out price it for the market. But hey do what I know a a potential buyer.
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It's only speculation as they do a Circuit Pack for the GR Yaris.

Correct, there is a base GRY, circuit pack or tech pack add ons.
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My first impression is that it is going to look a lot better than the new WRX. Price? Performance? We shall see what happens in those regards but if they can keep the price competitive this looks interesting. I think mid to high 30,000.00 range and they will have a hit on their hands. I have had no luck trying to get over the all the plastic on the new WRX, that bothers me more than anything else about the new car. I feel like with the new WRX I would have to buy one in dark grey to hide the plastic. If I like this car I might get in line, I don:t mind waiting a while either.
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People are forgetting it's a relatively small car. It's 14" shorter than the new WRX or new Si. It's also not a low volume homologation model - it's part of the huge volume Corolla lineup. It's not going to be in the $40k range, max $39k with Circuit Pack.
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People are forgetting it's a relatively small car. It's 14" shorter than the new WRX or new Si.



Thank God for that. It's supposed to be a true compact car and is. Rear facing baby seats needed then buy a Camry and leave this car alone.
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People are forgetting it's a relatively small car. It's 14" shorter than the new WRX or new Si. It's also not a low volume homologation model - it's part of the huge volume Corolla lineup. It's not going to be in the $40k range, max $39k with Circuit Pack.
One can hope. But the Golf R is also part of a high volume golf lineup, even if the lower models are no longer available here.
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Thank God for that. It's supposed to be a true compact car and is. Rear facing baby seats needed then buy a Camry and leave this car alone.
Rear facing baby seats fit fine in the "normal" (non-GR) corolla hatch. We know why it's shorter than the WRX - it's a transverse layout (less front overhang) and a hatchback (way less rear overhang), vs. the WRX's longitudinal front-engine layout in a sedan body.

Corolla hatch wheelbase - 103.9
WRX sedan wheelbase - 105.2

Worth noting that the Corolla Sedan is ~2" shorter than the WRX while having a ~1" longer wheelbase than the WRX; again way less front overhang, but with similar rear overhang.

The current Corolla hatch is longer than my wifes 2017 Corolla hatch (1.5" longer wheelbase 2" longer overall), so while it's "small" by todays standards, it's still bigger than it's predecessor.

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