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Old 03-09-2010, 04:23 PM   #2601
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Any thoughts on these two a$$ photos Armin? I've been getting some helpful CC from the UL.

Both taken with my EOS Rebal XSi 50mm ƒ1.8. All I have is iPhoto btw also..
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Each photo is a tad bit soft overall, and a bit underexposed (more so on the first shot than the second). The car pose is good, but I'm not quite sure why you decided to crop it in the way that you did. One thing to keep in mind is that except for most pro-level lenses, often times a lens isn't very sharp at full wide open. Just about every lens is sharpest when stopped down a little, and it's more often the case with consumer-level lenses. That's why even with my own 50mm ƒ1.4 lens, I usually shoot at ƒ1.8 or ƒ2.2 to make it sharper overall than at full ƒ1.4.
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Old 03-09-2010, 04:30 PM   #2602
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Hey Armin, what do you think of the pic I posted on page 103 (I think you missed it haha)? How's the editing on it? I wanted to try the slightly desaturated look with it without taking everything away.
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Old 03-09-2010, 04:41 PM   #2603
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Hey Armin, what do you think of the pic I posted on page 103 (I think you missed it haha)? How's the editing on it? I wanted to try the slightly desaturated look with it without taking everything away.
I'm sorry, I have my settings set to show 50 posts per page (thus this is my Page 53). Can you please repost it? Sorry if I missed it before.
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Old 03-09-2010, 04:49 PM   #2604
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Yea not a problem I know you have lots of requests for help in here.

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Old 03-09-2010, 05:08 PM   #2605
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Yea not a problem I know you have lots of requests for help in here.
The desaturated look works very well for this photo. While the trees and power lines don't make for the best background behind the car, I do like the fact that you have a nice open road ahead of the car. I'm not sure how busy that road is, but if you were able to take a 3/4 shot with the wheels turned in the middle of that long open road, combined with the desaturated look, I think it'd look pretty great. Something kinda like this:

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Old 03-09-2010, 05:15 PM   #2606
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It's definitely an interesting processing technique. If you can excuse my geeky/nerdy side for a second, it reminds me of the TNG episode when Picard lives an entire lifetime in a long-dead scientist's shoes in a span of 30 seconds...the scientist died when their star expanded and it made the entire planet have that really bright and pale look that you have going on in your photo. Yes, I'm a nerd. Anyway...

Besides your car setting sail, having the harsh reflection on the side windows and probably should've been pointing inward rather than outward as was mentioned previously, you seem to have missed a few spots that still have red brick. I'm not sure if you did this on purpose, but as it looks right now, it looks unfinished, as if your brush happened to miss a few spots. It's particularly distracting on the top of the hood.

Ahh i see now the dark shadow. Also as i look at it now i see the red on the hood. I left the brick on the left to add a lil to it. But ill take the bricks out and see how that looks. And ill also try to take the sail out too.
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Old 03-09-2010, 05:34 PM   #2607
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Heres a re-edit hows this one?

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Old 03-09-2010, 05:43 PM   #2608
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Just a question. I know car shows have been talked about here before, but I am headed to the Geneva Motor Show on Saturday and was wondering if anyone has any tips on getting good pictures of the cars there, under bright, fake lighting with crowds and no control over the position of the cars. I've just got a P&S Sony and my friend has a Nikon D40.
Also if anyone has awesome pics from a car show, I'd love to see them. Thanks!!
Here are a few of my favorites from the Philly Autoshow this year. The majority were taken with my Nikkor 35mm f1.8 (I believe) on my D3000 and edited a bit with the Lightroom3 Beta. Upon looking a little at them they are a little underexposed, but feel free to offer any other CC everyone! Also the quality and size may not be ideal- the source pictures are on my iMac in Philly so I pulled these off of my facebook and rehosted them on photobucket, so maybe be a little more gentle on me















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Old 03-09-2010, 05:55 PM   #2609
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Heres a re-edit hows this one?
Definitely better, although there's still a few hints of red brick you missed here and there. The thing with the sail isn't so much getting rid of the shadow, but how the lines of the building appear to grow out of the car. There's not really an easy to fix that other than moving the car so that it doesn't sit on that corner of the building.
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:03 PM   #2610
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Here are a few of my favorites from the Philly Autoshow this year. The majority were taken with my Nikkor 35mm f1.8 (I believe) on my D3000 and edited a bit with the Lightroom3 Beta. Upon looking a little at them they are a little underexposed, but feel free to offer any other CC everyone! Also the quality and size may not be ideal- the source pictures are on my iMac in Philly so I pulled these off of my facebook and rehosted them on photobucket, so maybe be a little more gentle on me
These are pretty good. They're a little underexposed like you mentioned and the white balance is a little off (which is to be expected from any camera in artificial light without fine tuning in post processing), but if anything it shows that the 35mm focal length isn't ideal to capture an entire car in the frame in situations like this.
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:27 PM   #2611
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Definitely better, although there's still a few hints of red brick you missed here and there. The thing with the sail isn't so much getting rid of the shadow, but how the lines of the building appear to grow out of the car. There's not really an easy to fix that other than moving the car so that it doesn't sit on that corner of the building.
Yea i know what you mean. Theres still more pics i gotta go through and edit. So when im done ill post them up and see what you guys think. Thx for all the help
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:27 PM   #2612
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These are pretty good. They're a little underexposed like you mentioned and the white balance is a little off (which is to be expected from any camera in artificial light without fine tuning in post processing), but if anything it shows that the 35mm focal length isn't ideal to capture an entire car in the frame in situations like this.
haha yeah...I gave up on full car shots when people continued to wander in an out of them. I was swapping between the 35mm and my 18-55mm kit lens. I was finding that I liked my close up partials more-so than the wider shots with extra people in and around the cars though. They have much more impact when they are larger I must say though...especially the Z headlight (my personal fav). It's nice to see your old shoots from 2002 as a noob though..shows that even the great Armin began somewhere .

A question for you regarding equipment: I'm thinking of picking up an SB600 speedlight for my D3000. This will be my first fancy-pants flash. Any advice? Should I stay away a bit longer and learn more camera techniques or is a larger flash a fairly OK thing to start playing with early on? I'm not super happy with how even with my fairly fast 35mm I cannot take crisp candid indoor shots without upping the ISO. I figure bouncing the flash around will help, and since I can't with the fixed flash I'm looking at the SBs...
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:35 PM   #2613
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Very nice! The sky is a tiny bit overexposed, but that can't really be helped with a rig shot. Where did you attach the rig to on the car? Your cloning/patching is pretty much flawless.
here is a question, what are a good reliable brand of suction mounts that are affordable? As in not over priced and wont have the potential to let loose at an inopportune time.

I've looked at a number of them and don't really know what would be good.

Also the suction holding ratings, what should I be looking at in terms of holding power for an average rig? I know I can get an 8 foot section of aluminum box tubing from my local home depot for pretty cheap. I'm just concerned about what kind of force would need to be had in order to counter the distance and weight multiplication at a distance and such. Also what's the better place to buy from? My searches have proven to yield me not the greatest results as of lately.
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:54 PM   #2614
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haha yeah...I gave up on full car shots when people continued to wander in an out of them. I was swapping between the 35mm and my 18-55mm kit lens. I was finding that I liked my close up partials more-so than the wider shots with extra people in and around the cars though. They have much more impact when they are larger I must say though...especially the Z headlight (my personal fav). It's nice to see your old shoots from 2002 as a noob though..shows that even the great Armin began somewhere .

A question for you regarding equipment: I'm thinking of picking up an SB600 speedlight for my D3000. This will be my first fancy-pants flash. Any advice? Should I stay away a bit longer and learn more camera techniques or is a larger flash a fairly OK thing to start playing with early on? I'm not super happy with how even with my fairly fast 35mm I cannot take crisp candid indoor shots without upping the ISO. I figure bouncing the flash around will help, and since I can't with the fixed flash I'm looking at the SBs...
Haha yeah those 2002 shots were ubern00bness

I've got the SB-600 myself and I use it for portraits and weddings. It's an excellent speedlight, but I rarely use it for cars...and when I do, I've learned that it's best to use it off the camera. It's just not powerful enough to light up an entire car, especially if left on the camera. I use it mostly to augment natural lighting, which is what I recommend more than it being used as a primary light source. Nevertheless, even at ƒ1.8, certain indoor situations require you to raise the ISO, and unfortunately really good high ISO performance doesn't come until you go a bit higher end into the prosumer cameras (like my own D300).
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:56 PM   #2615
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here is a question, what are a good reliable brand of suction mounts that are affordable? As in not over priced and wont have the potential to let loose at an inopportune time.

I've looked at a number of them and don't really know what would be good.

Also the suction holding ratings, what should I be looking at in terms of holding power for an average rig? I know I can get an 8 foot section of aluminum box tubing from my local home depot for pretty cheap. I'm just concerned about what kind of force would need to be had in order to counter the distance and weight multiplication at a distance and such. Also what's the better place to buy from? My searches have proven to yield me not the greatest results as of lately.
UL might be able to shed better light on this subject than me (I'm still a rig n00b myself), but I'm using these and they seem to do the trick pretty well:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Cup_with.html

Just remember that when it comes to camera-related equipment, the whole saying "you get what you pay for" tends to ring even more true than it does when buying car parts.
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Old 03-09-2010, 07:06 PM   #2616
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UL might be able to shed better light on this subject than me (I'm still a rig n00b myself), but I'm using these and they seem to do the trick pretty well:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Cup_with.html
Those are the pumps that everyone uses, but they're not made to a very high standard IMO. I much prefer the suction cup I have from filmtools.com, but they're much more expensive, and I haven't made them work for a rig yet. Stay tuned.

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Just remember that when it comes to camera-related equipment, the whole saying "you get what you pay for" tends to ring even more true than it does when buying car parts.
No truer words have ever been spoken. NEVER skimp on rig parts, EVER!
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Old 03-09-2010, 07:08 PM   #2617
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Haha yeah those 2002 shots were ubern00bness

I've got the SB-600 myself and I use it for portraits and weddings. It's an excellent speedlight, but I rarely use it for cars...and when I do, I've learned that it's best to use it off the camera. It's just not powerful enough to light up an entire car, especially if left on the camera. I use it mostly to augment natural lighting, which is what I recommend more than it being used as a primary light source. Nevertheless, even at ƒ1.8, certain indoor situations require you to raise the ISO, and unfortunately really good high ISO performance doesn't come until you go a bit higher end into the prosumer cameras (like my own D300).
Yeah that's what I want to use it for-increasing existing light and augmentation of existing light. I have found that an ISO of 400 is about as high as I'm willing to go. After that noise just aggravates me, hence why I am searching for more ways to get more light with less ISO. Do you still run into issues with the flash washing everything out or leaving the rest of the shot underexposed or does having a better flash with angle adjustments and such help to prevent that since you can bounce the light off things? I've done a bit of reading on the use of flashes but without one to experiment with its hard to see.
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Old 03-09-2010, 07:21 PM   #2618
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Yeah that's what I want to use it for-increasing existing light and augmentation of existing light. I have found that an ISO of 400 is about as high as I'm willing to go. After that noise just aggravates me, hence why I am searching for more ways to get more light with less ISO. Do you still run into issues with the flash washing everything out or leaving the rest of the shot underexposed or does having a better flash with angle adjustments and such help to prevent that since you can bounce the light off things? I've done a bit of reading on the use of flashes but without one to experiment with its hard to see.
Using the flash even with a normal diffuser, it still very much works like a flashlight. That's why I use a Gary Fong Lightsphere with mine. It seems to diffuse the light better it just about every situation I've encountered, and looks more natural than even using a flash bracket for the most part.
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Old 03-09-2010, 07:30 PM   #2619
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Thanks for the tips and the link. I always love seeing your work. Maybe we'll take some pictures decent enough to put up for CC.
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:02 PM   #2620
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Thanks for the assistance Armin. I'm pleased to see that lightspheres aren't expensive pieces of equipment. My girlfriends college graduation is coming up so indoor shots will be plentiful I feel. I want to start getting my ducks in a line to be the family photog for that event haha. Thanks for the advice as always man!
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:58 PM   #2621
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The desaturated look works very well for this photo. While the trees and power lines don't make for the best background behind the car, I do like the fact that you have a nice open road ahead of the car. I'm not sure how busy that road is, but if you were able to take a 3/4 shot with the wheels turned in the middle of that long open road, combined with the desaturated look, I think it'd look pretty great.
Well the road is pretty much dead all the time, it's an access road to the airport I found. I would love to more front end shots, but my headlights are disgusting. But I will still try to do some of these.
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Old 03-09-2010, 09:14 PM   #2622
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Well the road is pretty much dead all the time, it's an access road to the airport I found. I would love to more front end shots, but my headlights are disgusting. But I will still try to do some of these.
Ahh, then don't do a front end shot...just do a rear 3/4 shot, kinda like this but in the middle of the open road:

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Old 03-09-2010, 10:05 PM   #2623
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i took this one after giving it it's first wash after winter... i like the picture alot, but please tell me what i can do better, so i can make everyone like it too haha.

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Old 03-09-2010, 10:14 PM   #2624
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So, I was a little bored today after work, so I decided to tackle my other rig shot. The angle is much better (I feel), but I was too intimidated of trying to photoshop this rig out since it covere a LOT of different areas of the picture. So, after about an hour of playing around with clone stamp and other various methods I was able to recreate the image without the rig. The sky is a little less overexposed in this one too... what do you guys think??




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Old 03-09-2010, 10:44 PM   #2625
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Ahh, then don't do a front end shot...just do a rear 3/4 shot, kinda like this but in the middle of the open road:

You're killing me...lol. I almost bought an '05 Competition Pkg in Alpine White not too long ago...
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