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Old 12-03-2019, 10:29 PM   #751
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So I was cross-shopping quite a few devices recently. I have a gaming PC at home which I use most of the time so I really just need something for basic web browsing and media consumption around the house (in bed/on the couch) or when I go on trips. I don't need to do any actual work or anything needing a lot of processing power on it.

The devices I was looking at: Surface Pro 7, Surface Laptop 3, XPS 13 2-in-1, HP Spectre x360, and Lenovo Yoga C940. I fell in love with the Surface Pro line when I first saw them in person a few years ago and originally had my eyes set on that, but after thinking about it, I realized that I'd be using it on my lap like a traditional laptop 95% of the time and that it might not be the best or most stable device for that. Then I started looking at 2-in-1s, but then I started to realize that maybe what I'm looking at is overkill for my intended usage.

I checked out the Pixelbook Go at Best Buy and was really impressed with it. The build quality is superb, the keyboard and trackpad feels way better than any of the devices I mentioned above, and it's by far the lightest (except for the SP7 without the typecover) at around 2.1lbs. It's also significantly cheaper with a starting price of $650 for the base model. Of course it runs ChromeOS and not Windows but given the fact that all I'll use it for is Netflix and web browsing, I think it'll be just fine. I'll probably pick one up in the coming weeks.
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Old 12-03-2019, 11:12 PM   #752
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Old 12-16-2019, 01:28 PM   #753
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My GF is a writer and copy editor, and currently has an old Macbook that is becoming a liability slow. Abput 5 years ago, her sons flipped her to Apple, laptop and phone, and she not really happy in that world. Her writing is done with Word, which is the standard that contract copy editing.

Right now, her primary job is writing a book, a trail guide for hiking the trails around here (Ashland OR.) She does some late-age caretaking and is in the process of hooking up with a book company as a contract copy editor. The point is she is on a budget. A $650 budget.

So, without asking you nerds, I recommended a 17" Lenovo IdeaPad 340 with Home Office for $480 (from $760) + $120 , on sale and an additional 10% weekend special. I am pretty sure it perfect for her use. She doesn't travel with it often. She doesn't game. She will watch Netflix on a second monitor. What do youall think about this configuration?



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Old 12-16-2019, 01:56 PM   #754
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If she's using an external monitor anyway I'd go with something smaller. Even the thinnest 17" is a beast. And that resolution is terrible for a screen that size, unless she has poor vision.
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Old 12-16-2019, 02:23 PM   #755
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I didn't think they made panels that ****ty anymore. They must be recycling defective TV LCDs or something.
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Old 12-16-2019, 02:25 PM   #756
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If she's using an external monitor anyway I'd go with something smaller. Even the thinnest 17" is a beast. And that resolution is terrible for a screen that size, unless she has poor vision.
Being able to see the screen without glasses is an issue with the Mac, and the other monitor is an extended screen. But that's a good point, and would save her a few dollars. We'll see if a "holy crap I can see this now."

She is waiting to hear from the copy editing folks, so we are using this time to get used to a new OS an new version of Word (she has 2003 on the MAC.) She is pretty honey badger about tech.
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Old 12-16-2019, 02:28 PM   #757
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Oh, I just looked at the 15.6” HD and it's 1366 x 768., then quoted myself rather than edit the post
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Old 12-16-2019, 02:56 PM   #758
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I honestly would go with one with the best possible monitor. One with best viewing angles, colors, brightness, sharpness.

I’ve used ****ty laptop monitors and just makes me hate using the whole laptop

My current work laptop, hp elite. Hate it because it doesn’t have anything of the above.
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Old 12-16-2019, 04:57 PM   #759
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Unfortunately, more that $650 total is a reach for her now until the book is done, and / or the copy editing gig happens.
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Old 01-20-2020, 02:10 PM   #760
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Help me buy a laptop (docking station).

This pops up as the #1 on Amazon, FWIW. I currently have an ancient dinosaur of a laptop/dock combo work gave me outright to work remotely but it's reached Windows 7 EOL. I have a much better/newer 2017 Acer Swift laptop that I hardly use and keep connected to the TV as a streaming device. My thought is to just swap the laptops.

Any reason not to get this? I connect dual monitors, a mouse/keyboard and speakers. Nothing fancier than that and I VPN in to work. The ancient laptop still works just fine, it's just EOL with Windows support so I want the device I use all day, everyday to be up to par.

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Old 01-20-2020, 02:27 PM   #761
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Help me buy a laptop (docking station).

This pops up as the #1 on Amazon, FWIW. I currently have an ancient dinosaur of a laptop/dock combo work gave me outright to work remotely but it's reached Windows 7 EOL. I have a much better/newer 2017 Acer Swift laptop that I hardly use and keep connected to the TV as a streaming device. My thought is to just swap the laptops.

Any reason not to get this? I connect dual monitors, a mouse/keyboard and speakers. Nothing fancier than that and I VPN in to work. The ancient laptop still works just fine, it's just EOL with Windows support so I want the device I use all day, everyday to be up to par.

What say ye, OT?

I had one, it worked as advertised. Keep in mind that the max resolution is 1080P on this one if you use a dual monitor setup.
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Old 01-20-2020, 02:34 PM   #762
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Note the dual video has ONE hdmi and ONE DVI out. Not HDCP complaint ( maybe can watch protected/DRM content ). If that works for your setup, wait for someone else to point out another possible issue.
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Old 01-20-2020, 02:57 PM   #763
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That's fine, my current old 22" monitors from work are 1080 and don't even have HDMI inputs, just a DVI and a VGA. So I could use DVI for one and the included DVI-VGA an HDMI-DVI adaptor for the other. I don't need 4k gaming or anything, I mostly just use my PC for work and web browsing.

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Old 01-20-2020, 04:19 PM   #764
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That's fine, my current old 22" monitors from work are 1080 and don't even have HDMI inputs, just a DVI and a VGA. So I could use DVI for one and the included DVI-VGA adaptor for the other. I don't need 4k gaming or anything, I mostly just use my PC for work and web browsing.
You'll be fine then. I've found that the Displaylink drivers do not play well with discrete graphics cards, but that doesn't sound an issue for you so have at it.
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Old 01-21-2020, 07:57 AM   #765
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I have one of those stations for my wife's laptop, seems to work great. She uses "dual monitors" in that she keeps the laptop open as one monitor and uses my old desktop monitor as the other one. Just peachy.
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Old 01-21-2020, 11:08 AM   #766
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I plan to get something from System 76, likely one of their lower end laptops replacing a 5 y/o XPS13. I would get another one but they only come with 8GB of memory now, checking they brought back a 16GB unit for ~$1800. Nah, dood...

Are there other linux OS OEM laptops other than System 76 you've used and would recommend? The most I do that needs power would running vms on the laptop. Though that's been pretty trouble free for a while I would love at least that 16GB of RAM in a 13" laptop.
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I plan to get something from System 76, likely one of their lower end laptops replacing a 5 y/o XPS13. I would get another one but they only come with 8GB of memory now, checking they brought back a 16GB unit for ~$1800. Nah, dood...

Are there other linux OS OEM laptops other than System 76 you've used and would recommend? The most I do that needs power would running vms on the laptop. Though that's been pretty trouble free for a while I would love at least that 16GB of RAM in a 13" laptop.
I bought the Commander an Ideapad 730S. She wanted something lighter to replace the SP4 and the 730S was the lightest thing that Lenovo had on holiday clearance. $450 for an 8GB model. Boy is it light. 2.4 pounds, which is lighter than their Carbon. They sell 16GB versions, but they only come with U class processors.
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So I was cross-shopping quite a few devices recently. I have a gaming PC at home which I use most of the time so I really just need something for basic web browsing and media consumption around the house (in bed/on the couch) or when I go on trips. I don't need to do any actual work or anything needing a lot of processing power on it.

The devices I was looking at: Surface Pro 7, Surface Laptop 3, XPS 13 2-in-1, HP Spectre x360, and Lenovo Yoga C940. I fell in love with the Surface Pro line when I first saw them in person a few years ago and originally had my eyes set on that, but after thinking about it, I realized that I'd be using it on my lap like a traditional laptop 95% of the time and that it might not be the best or most stable device for that. Then I started looking at 2-in-1s, but then I started to realize that maybe what I'm looking at is overkill for my intended usage.

I checked out the Pixelbook Go at Best Buy and was really impressed with it. The build quality is superb, the keyboard and trackpad feels way better than any of the devices I mentioned above, and it's by far the lightest (except for the SP7 without the typecover) at around 2.1lbs. It's also significantly cheaper with a starting price of $650 for the base model. Of course it runs ChromeOS and not Windows but given the fact that all I'll use it for is Netflix and web browsing, I think it'll be just fine. I'll probably pick one up in the coming weeks.
I recently had to get a new laptop, and didn't consult OT. I've wanted to switch to a chromebook fdor sometime, so I did. The Go was a serious option, but I ended up with an Asus C425. IMO, it's 95% of the performance for 50% of the cost, you should check it out. It's pretty great, and if it breaks, like, whatever man.
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I bought the Commander an Ideapad 730S. She wanted something lighter to replace the SP4 and the 730S was the lightest thing that Lenovo had on holiday clearance. $450 for an 8GB model. Boy is it light. 2.4 pounds, which is lighter than their Carbon. They sell 16GB versions, but they only come with U class processors.
Damn nice. Looks like the spitting image of what I have, basically exactly what I want. Thanks.
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Damn nice. Looks like the spitting image of what I have, basically exactly what I want. Thanks.
NP. FWIW, the Ideapad doesn't have the bells and whistles that the XPS13 has (I had a 2017 model that I kept for 6 months before I traded it for an X1 Extreme) such as an IR camera, touchscreen, NVME, backlit keyboard, Kensington lock, or non-USB-C ports. But the Mrs. didn't need those. If you do want those, the Yoga 730 has them in basically the same chassis, but in a 2-in-1 form factor.
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NP. FWIW, the Ideapad doesn't have the bells and whistles that the XPS13 has (I had a 2017 model that I kept for 6 months before I traded it for an X1 Extreme) such as an IR camera, touchscreen, NVME, backlit keyboard, Kensington lock, or non-USB-C ports. But the Mrs. didn't need those. If you do want those, the Yoga 730 has them in basically the same chassis, but in a 2-in-1 form factor.
you listed everything I normally have off. I never think about the touchscreen until I accidentally touch it. Thankfully it's rare that anything more happens than a "do you really want to do this" window pops up to cancel out of. The 730 I pulled up does list NVME but I'm looking at the Amazon listing. I'll go though the OEM's website to make sure I know what SKU goes to what machine with this being most likely my huckleberry even without it being linux native. Hopefully the extra 8GB of RAM doesn't tack on ~6-700 bucks like the XPS did.

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Speaking of Chromebooks, I'll likely pick up a Lenovo Duet when it comes out. Seems like a hell of a device for under $300.

Lenovo IdeaPad Duet Chomebook tablet hands-on at CES 2020 - YouTube
Lenovo IdeaPad Duet: The Chrome OS tablet you'll actually want - YouTube
Lenovo Chromebook Duet: Hands-On and First Impressions - YouTube

...and it even supports that new active stylus standard (USI)
The cheapest Chromebooks I've used have been better, just a squishy human opinion with no metrics at all, than low end major brand laptops with a traditional os. I still use a referb of a cheap Chromebook from 3 or 4 years ago when I need to without fail. A newer but low low end HP windows system lasted a few months, looked to be overheating for what took it down. These were/are meant for use on questionable networks/travel, for the 'why torture yourself' answer.
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My daily use laptop is a Lenovo 730. It's an excellent device. I only have 2 complaints: the aluminum gets dirty way too easily (wish it was darker and smoother like gunmetal) and the speakers could be louder (they're elevated to just "ok" once you disable all enhancements).

That said, if you plan on using it with a stylus take a long hard look at the C900 series- I think the latest is the 940. It comes with a stylus and has a little slot to hold it. Sometimes I wish I had gotten the 930... whenever I misplace my stylus

Also the 930/940 has that big soundbar in the hinge

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you listed everything I normally have off. I never think about the touchscreen until I accidentally touch it. Thankfully it's rare that anything more happens than a "do you really want to do this" window pops up to cancel out of. The 730 I pulled up does list NVME but I'm looking at the Amazon listing. I'll go though the OEM's website to make sure I know what SKU goes to what machine with this being most likely my huckleberry even without it being linux native. Hopefully the extra 8GB of RAM doesn't tack on ~6-700 bucks like the XPS did.
The drive in her computer has a part number hfs256gd9tng-62A0A, which ID'd as an NVME. How bout that. It also has a backlit keyboard.
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