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Old 12-06-2019, 08:11 AM   #26
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What's you other one? My two biggest complaints were both transmission related. The shift feel was pretty terrible and the gearing in 3rd 4th and 5th was too long.
The other one is noise - tire and wind and front suspension clunk. My son in the back seat needs to nearly yell to be understood. I did add a layover of sound-deadener to the rear shelf that helped a lot, but Subaru (two shops) say there's nothing loose in the front suspension and "they all do that".
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Old 12-06-2019, 09:45 AM   #27
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The other one is noise - tire and wind and front suspension clunk. My son in the back seat needs to nearly yell to be understood. I did add a layover of sound-deadener to the rear shelf that helped a lot, but Subaru (two shops) say there's nothing loose in the front suspension and "they all do that".
Are you still running the stock dunlop tires? those are insanely loud at highway speeds. Some new tires made a big difference in road noise.
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Old 12-06-2019, 10:50 AM   #28
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Are you still running the stock dunlop tires? those are insanely loud at highway speeds. Some new tires made a big difference in road noise.
Nope, running some Continental controlcontact tours in the summer and Michelin X-ice in the winter. Noise is about the same for either set.
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Old 12-06-2019, 10:56 AM   #29
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If you come down here with a bike when it warms up Iíll let you flog mine on these mountain roads and you can see if the STI shifter is worth it
Geez, I've already been to NC twice this year! Maybe I'll take you up on it next time ... but no, I don't have an STI shifter, and while I see them for 2018+ WRX's for about $400, I haven't found one for my 2016 (yet).
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Old 12-06-2019, 11:01 AM   #30
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It in the cables. I wonder if adding some support to the cables might help a little. Basically make it so they can not move around at all. This would force all of the motion to go through the cable to the shift lever instead of the cable moving around and absorbing some of that motion.
Hm, are we discussing the same thing? I have no slop in my shifter, it's pretty tight. It's just super notchy ... shifting from 1-2 is really 1-n-2, 2-n-3 etc with a definitive pause between gears.
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Old 12-06-2019, 05:04 PM   #31
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Geez, I've already been to NC twice this year! Maybe I'll take you up on it next time ... but no, I don't have an STI shifter, and while I see them for 2018+ WRX's for about $400, I haven't found one for my 2016 (yet).
Good luck with the noise thing, seems like most of the Japanese cars are tin cans. I think Jobber (lasthumansgarage) sound deadened a lot of it. Search his videos, he's like super anal with everything which is good but hard to watch. Pretty sure he was happy with his results. I knew the first time I opened the trunk at the dealer that the car was loud before I even drove it. Luckily I don't care and I rarely have passengers. I only care about how it handles, how it puts the power down, and that it depreciates less than most other $30,000 cars. The front rattle is real, there is a whole thread here on people chasing it. I hear it a little when it's cold out, but again the car is a tin can and I don't care.

I don't have a pause in neutral with my shifter, I can feel it go through (the "notch" I guess) but it's quick and not super offensive to me, no finesse required it just falls into gear. Hit me up, we'll ride and like I said you can flog my car. I live right by "The Rattler" NC 209. The car is heaps of fun to abuse on these roads, perfect for where the torque curve is.
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Old 12-07-2019, 10:52 AM   #32
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Good luck with the noise thing, seems like most of the Japanese cars are tin cans. ... I live right by "The Rattler" NC 209.
I think it varies by model more than brand, our Legacy is nice and quiet, on par with the 5-series (which had an isolated rear subframe). Sound-deadener sheets are heavy so I understand by it's not used on the sportier cars.

Two weeks ago I rented a 2019 Camaro SS, I've not been in a car with that many rattles and squeaks since the 90's.

We didn't ride NC209 as we were staying closer to Knoxville, but there was no lack of awesome roads in the area. Some of the best ones were the those that don't get much attention, simply the lack of traffic made them great (and that's why I'll refrain from mentioning them ....). What I find interesting is that while the bike is generally my tool of choice on twisty roads, when I entertain which car I'd bring it ends up being the BRZ, not the WRX.
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Old 12-07-2019, 07:44 PM   #33
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I think it varies by model more than brand, our Legacy is nice and quiet, on par with the 5-series (which had an isolated rear subframe). Sound-deadener sheets are heavy so I understand by it's not used on the sportier cars.

Two weeks ago I rented a 2019 Camaro SS, I've not been in a car with that many rattles and squeaks since the 90's.

We didn't ride NC209 as we were staying closer to Knoxville, but there was no lack of awesome roads in the area. Some of the best ones were the those that don't get much attention, simply the lack of traffic made them great (and that's why I'll refrain from mentioning them ....). What I find interesting is that while the bike is generally my tool of choice on twisty roads, when I entertain which car I'd bring it ends up being the BRZ, not the WRX.
For sure there are some killer roads not talked about (on purpose). Itís awesome living here. I have miles and miles of gravel and dirt if Iím in the mood and a very large area of tight curves, elevation changes, and good pavement. Iíd rock a BRZ (or personally I prefer the Miata) for sure. I eat up Vettes and American Muscle often with both the WRX and GTI (even with wrong wheel drive), they would crush me if we had straight roads. But we donít, and Iím all about the curves. I think youíd be impressed with the WRX even though the BRZ would be more engaging. The WRX has more power than what is needed most of the time. The good steep climbs is where the WRX shines compared to the NA lightweights.
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Old 12-08-2019, 11:02 AM   #34
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Yeah I noticed the same with my dealership in Burlington Vt and my 2019 came with one too, but the smaller dealerships in my state don't seem to be doing the same.
I thought this was so Burlington Subaru could pad their sticker price?
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Old 12-10-2019, 04:34 PM   #35
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I too dislike my wrx's shifter feel. I drove the 2019 STI and their shifter are way better. Will the STI shifter assembly upgrade gonna bring that to our car?
The STI still uses a direct link shifter vs our cable link. I am very interested in upgrading to the factory short shifter. I've done the Perrin stop, brass bushing, and heavy knob and those definitely helped, but I still feel the shifts are garbage..
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Old 12-10-2019, 04:40 PM   #36
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Hm, are we discussing the same thing? I have no slop in my shifter, it's pretty tight. It's just super notchy ... shifting from 1-2 is really 1-n-2, 2-n-3 etc with a definitive pause between gears.
Yes, because a cable is trying to move the lever instead of a direct linkage. Seems like the cable has much less leverage, and makes the gears feel more crunchy. I always assumed this was due to some give in the cable itself when there was resistance.
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Old 12-10-2019, 05:22 PM   #37
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The STI still uses a direct link shifter vs our cable link. I am very interested in upgrading to the factory short shifter. I've done the Perrin stop, brass bushing, and heavy knob and those definitely helped, but I still feel the shifts are garbage..
I never had the chance to drive one without the STI shift kit, but my car with it was still garbage so I don't think it corrects the fundamental flaws with transmission.
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Old 12-11-2019, 10:00 PM   #38
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If the shifter is a dealbreaker for you, there are a slew of things you can do to improve it without breaking the bank. It was my biggest gripe with my '15 when we first got it, and after a few months of trying new things, I finally got it where I want it.

From easiest/cheapest to most difficult/expensive:

-Install a brass shifter bushing first. This removes the biggest amount of "mush" feeling you'll experience through the shifter.
-Install a shifter stop. This prevents all the left-to-right slop in 1-2 shifts and 5-6 shifts.
-Install a Group N transmission mount and Energy Suspension crossmember bushing set. This reduces the lash to-and-fro that the car experiences when crawling at low speeds/take-off, and greatly improves positive shifter feel.
-Install a short throw shifter lever. Of all the units I've tried across local people's cars, I loved the Boomba short throw shift lever the best, so that's what I have in my car. I transforms the shifting motion in the car and is a MASSIVE step forward.

Hope this helps.
This is the best path to fixing the shifter. The easy/cheap mods like the bushing, shift stop, etc help but the biggest difference is stiffer mounts. I have a very similar setup that I put together piece by piece until I was happy with it. In my opinion, the transmission mount makes the biggest difference, but really I would do all my changes over again. Here's my list:
  • Perrin pitch stop mount
  • Perrin tranny mount
  • Perrin engine mounts
  • Perrin shift stop
  • Whiteline gearbox positive shift kit
  • Kartboy short shift kit
  • Kartboy rear diff/carrier wedge lock bushings
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Old 12-12-2019, 11:27 AM   #39
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This is the best path to fixing the shifter. The easy/cheap mods like the bushing, shift stop, etc help but the biggest difference is stiffer mounts. I have a very similar setup that I put together piece by piece until I was happy with it. In my opinion, the transmission mount makes the biggest difference, but really I would do all my changes over again. Here's my list:
  • Perrin pitch stop mount
  • Perrin tranny mount
  • Perrin engine mounts
  • Perrin shift stop
  • Whiteline gearbox positive shift kit
  • Kartboy short shift kit
  • Kartboy rear diff/carrier wedge lock bushings
So I'm reading all this and I'm opening each of these in another tab and just adding up the costs and its significantly higher than what an OEM STI short shifter kit would be. If I choose to buy an OEM shift kit would that solve most of my problems or are all of these mounts still necessary on top? Like the tranny mount kit is 290 dollars.
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You're comparing apples to oranges. The STI kit you're looking at is comparable to the Kartboy short shift kit (which is incidentally about a 1/3 the price). So that's just one piece of the puzzle. While I don't have experience with any other brand of short shift kits, I think it's reasonable to assume they all perform about the same (for example, the perrin short throw reduces throws by 30%, kartboy reduces it by 38%). That applies to all the brands in my post, really.

Also, you can find different groups of parts bundled together sometimes for a discount. Or emailing or pming the vendor they will sometimes give you a little discount for buying all their items.
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Old 12-12-2019, 02:07 PM   #41
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I've had a '20 base WRX for about 6 weeks and 700 miles now. After driving it home from the dealership that first day, I ordered the Cobb Stage 1 Drivetrain Package later that night. The shift stopper, bushing, and short shift plate completely transformed the car. I've further upgraded the drivetrain with a FactionFab pitch stop mount, IAG transmission mount, and Torque Solution rear diff brace. Engine mounts are next on the list. Getting power to the ground (even stock power) makes a good bit of difference.

As far as rev hang, it's still pretty noticeable to me. Just gotta be conscious when shifting from 1st to 2nd. We'll see how tuning does with that. I took advantage of Cobb's Black Friday sale and already have an AP in hand. Just waiting for them to release support for the '20. Cobb told me they expect to have it ready early next year (they just released the update for the '20 STI), and confirmed that the current AP (AP3-SUB-004) will work once the '20 WRX update is released.

All that being said, I totally agree with Blak-'s suggested upgrade path. Just a couple notes. I got the Whiteline Gearbox Positive Shift Kit and only 2 of the 4 bushings fit. The holes on the remaining 2 did not line up correctly for some reason. I've read of at least one other person that had the same problem. Regardless, replacing even just the 2 bushings made a difference.

I also got the Whiteline rear diff bushing inserts. I went to install them and found a plate installed over the top 2 bushings, so they wouldn't work. It looks like the plate was added to limit movement of the diff, which is what the inserts are supposed to do. Don't know if that plate is specific to the '20's. So I just ended up not installing any of them at all, though I did replace the actual brace with the Torque Solution one.

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So I'm reading all this and I'm opening each of these in another tab and just adding up the costs and its significantly higher than what an OEM STI short shifter kit would be. If I choose to buy an OEM shift kit would that solve most of my problems or are all of these mounts still necessary on top? Like the tranny mount kit is 290 dollars.
A lot of people are running the Group N tranny mount, which is under $100 brand new.
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Old 12-23-2019, 05:55 PM   #42
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Geez, I've already been to NC twice this year! Maybe I'll take you up on it next time ... but no, I don't have an STI shifter, and while I see them for 2018+ WRX's for about $400, I haven't found one for my 2016 (yet).
$400?? heck no.

Gillman Subaru in Houston sells them for $254.96.

I had my local dealer match that price and install it into my '19 when I purchased it.

I drove my '19 for about 500 miles with the regular shifter and when the STI STS arrived, dropped it off to be installed.
I could definitely feel a difference. Nothing "night and day", but it just, you know, "felt right."
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Old 12-23-2019, 09:18 PM   #43
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A lot of people are running the Group N tranny mount, which is under $100 brand new.
Probably my favorite mod I did to my car and easily the best if you factor in per $ value. Super easy to install too.
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The other one is noise - tire and wind and front suspension clunk. My son in the back seat needs to nearly yell to be understood. I did add a layover of sound-deadener to the rear shelf that helped a lot, but Subaru (two shops) say there's nothing loose in the front suspension and "they all do that".
I ended up adding some adhesive backed sound deadening foam to the inside of the door skins and the floor of the trunk and that helped a lot. It's extremely lightweight and will help with thermal insulation as well. The butyl based sound deadening (Noico, Dynamat, etc.) is heavy and mostly unnecessary in this car. You could use it judiciously anywhere you have a resonance in thin sheet metal.

I plan on following up with more foam on the roof skin and foam and mass loaded vinyl under the carpet. I realize it's a pita solution, but it's not expensive and helps make the car more livable on the highway.

As far as the clunks go, are you using aftermarket sway bars? I had endless clunks and eventually broken whiteline endlinks with their kit. I replaced them with sway-a-way endlinks and they work well with no clunks.

My $.02 on the shifter is that the best way to go is the perrin brass bushing, shift stop, heavy shift knob, and group n mount. The shifter actually feels pretty great with these mods and you're talking about under $200 worth of parts. The group n mount is awesome and adds very little NVH in my opinion. I initially installed with polyurethane crossmember bushings but removed them a week later. They added a ton of NVH with basically no benefit.
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I ended up adding some adhesive backed sound deadening foam to the inside of the door skins and the floor of the trunk and that helped a lot. It's extremely lightweight and will help with thermal insulation as well. The butyl based sound deadening (Noico, Dynamat, etc.) is heavy and mostly unnecessary in this car. You could use it judiciously anywhere you have a resonance in thin sheet metal.

I plan on following up with more foam on the roof skin and foam and mass loaded vinyl under the carpet. I realize it's a pita solution, but it's not expensive and helps make the car more livable on the highway.

As far as the clunks go, are you using aftermarket sway bars? I had endless clunks and eventually broken whiteline endlinks with their kit. I replaced them with sway-a-way endlinks and they work well with no clunks.

My $.02 on the shifter is that the best way to go is the perrin brass bushing, shift stop, heavy shift knob, and group n mount. The shifter actually feels pretty great with these mods and you're talking about under $200 worth of parts. The group n mount is awesome and adds very little NVH in my opinion. I initially installed with polyurethane crossmember bushings but removed them a week later. They added a ton of NVH with basically no benefit.
What exact stuff did you use for the sound deadening? I've been wanting to do the same
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What exact stuff did you use for the sound deadening? I've been wanting to do the same
Not sure if this is the best price on ebay but this is the stuff I used. My understanding is a layer of mass loaded vinyl over top is very effective.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/394mil-10mm-Thickness-16-36sqft-Car-Auto-Noise-Sound-Deadener-Mat-152-x-100cm/263311645746?epid=11009107215&hash=item3d4e98dc32: g:G9oAAOSw96leB5Hf
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As far as the clunks go, are you using aftermarket sway bars?
No, they're stock. Other than the AP and shifter parts everything on the car is stock.

Thanks for the info on the sound deadener stuff.
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Any of you guys with a 20 have a cobb AP yet? Are they compatible with the non-sti WRX?
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Old 12-31-2019, 04:50 PM   #49
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Looks like Cobb's website only shows the '20 STI and not '20 WRX yet.
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After 500 miles on a 2020 WRX I don't feel any issues with the shifting and there is no shifter slop.The rev hang is there but I got used to it and it doesn't bother me all.
Car feels great !
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