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Old 10-14-2016, 08:01 AM   #3376
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some cool stuff finally coming out. King had mentioned they had these in the works when I emailed them in april. http://autoslanger.dk/en/king-subaru...h6-ez30-p19196

Also if anyone needs a throttle body I have the falcon one that fits, its dbc
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Old 10-14-2016, 08:04 AM   #3377
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and yes a 2.5l ecu is not going to run a 6 cylinder engine from the factory.... however, if you go standalone you can configure outputs and go from there to get all the cylinders. On the ez30, you need to sort out a crank pickup as most ecus cannot decode it. Hydra, AEM infinity, and Link have it down though
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Old 10-14-2016, 09:23 AM   #3378
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Actually, most manufacturers will write a new decoder if you send them the information. To add to your list though, megasquirt 2&3 both work as well as VEMS. However, as far as I know, the only units that fully support the EZ36 with dbw and quad cam control is Haltech and Link. Well, all of the high end units like Motec should as well, but they are really for motorsport specific applications.
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Old 10-24-2016, 11:28 PM   #3379
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Quick question for those in the know. I have been working on my donor wiring harness and have seperated out all the engine plugs, ecu plugs, and tcu plugs (I cut all the tcu wires except the ones that ran directly to the ecu) I have been following a merge guide meant for the wrx and referencing the fsm for the 2001 h6. My question is , is the smj required in this particular swap? I can't see anything it connects to that requires it being retained for the swap. Will be going into a 99 legacy 2.2 if it matters

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Old 02-16-2017, 09:55 AM   #3380
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Here's a thread on my H6 swapped Forester.

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2826998
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:16 PM   #3381
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Here's a thread on my H6 swapped Forester.

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2826998
I posted the link to this thread in your thread, and now we've got your thread linked in this thread. People can just go back and forth.

I was hoping you would come visit this thread and share what you and your installer have done to get over the various issues folks have reported with using the factory ECU. So, any comment on what I said in your thread?
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Old 02-18-2017, 12:12 AM   #3382
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Well, I've bought a gen 4 blitzen with the H6/6 speed manual. But I'll still post around here for H6 modding
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Old 02-20-2017, 03:24 PM   #3383
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I posted the link to this thread in your thread, and now we've got your thread linked in this thread. People can just go back and forth.

I was hoping you would come visit this thread and share what you and your installer have done to get over the various issues folks have reported with using the factory ECU. So, any comment on what I said in your thread?
Good stuff thanks,
So yes I do not have much experience with the wiring, but as far as I know the ECU is tricked into thinking that when the car is in gear it is in gear. When in neutral it is in neutral. I can tell as when I put the car in gear the RPMS raise slightly, when it neutral they will lower.

Very little stalling but I have a little trick. When coming to stops I pop the shiftier in neutral and it almost always prevents the motor from stalling. Sorry I couldn't answer with my details.
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Old 02-21-2017, 05:24 PM   #3384
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Does anyone have any details about the Air Condition fitment issues on a eg33 going into a GC impreza? I have searched up and down, and all i see people saying is "no ac" or needs custom work.

I understand that it may need custom lines, or a fabricated plate to use a newer compressor, but does anyone know anymore than "toss it to save weight"?

I ask because I like the eg33, and while it's more fab work, everyone does turbo/jdm swaps. however I live in SC and AC is a must here.

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Old 02-22-2017, 05:57 PM   #3385
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I had that issue with my ez30D. You can mechanically hook it up, but if it uses a different engagement method (single wire, dual, dual sensors etc etc) you're pretty much screwed. We could hotwire it and get it to run always on, but we couldn't get it to actually work with the factory electronics.

If it uses the same single or dual wire or dual sensor or whatever system as your recipient car you'll be ok but otherwise you're toast.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:00 AM   #3386
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there are standalone a/c system you can buy that people fit to old hot rods all the time. unless you are set on oem parts.
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Old 02-23-2017, 03:59 PM   #3387
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I feel like the usual subaru AC is too weak anyway. All 3 that I've owned seemed to keep cycling the compressor for some reason. I don't know if they're trying to prevent icing, or improve fuel economy, but my old fashioned 99 tiburon is ice cold. Also, the tiburon never turns on the AC by itself when you switch to defrost, and never runs the compressor without turning the AC light on like the new subarus do.

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Old 04-15-2017, 04:02 PM   #3388
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Just getting going on this again
Had 11mm headstuds made, I am just assembling engine to check piston to valve clearance for AVCS, then its to be taken apart again for balancing
Ez30r block machined and headstuds fitted

Intake ports were cleaned up
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Heads machined for head stud clearance
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Ez30r head machined for headstuds

As soon as I finish valve clearance checks and get the reciprocating assembly to the balancer I will start on the exhaust manifold/s, these will take some time and i dont get much to spare, hopefully this will all be sitting in the car by the end of the year, will post updates

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Old 04-16-2017, 11:00 AM   #3389
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She is beautiful. Will you be boosting?
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Actually, most manufacturers will write a new decoder if you send them the information. To add to your list though, megasquirt 2&3 both work as well as VEMS. However, as far as I know, the only units that fully support the EZ36 with dbw and quad cam control is Haltech and Link. Well, all of the high end units like Motec should as well, but they are really for motorsport specific applications.
Add the Syvecs in.

The higher ends like the Syvecs, Motec, Cosworth Pectel will allow you tweak it further, if you need to use it in situation for serious street performance and plus. The S6Plus will allow you such controls. Andy Forrest runs the S8, which also controls the gear box and many other things.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...y=andy+forrest

Watch this. It maybe a little hard to digest, but review it -

So you options are vast. If cost is a problem, use the Hydra/link. Phil is great with the Hydra Support and with the Hydra 2.7, makes it so much easier. but as per usual, chat with your tuner. Key thing to think about is the crank/cam pickup is key. Having a stable processing without drift etc etc is key. Use a unit that is design for serious pickup. Example Hydra EMS and the other High End EMS or Powertrain solution if this is a concern for extracting more performance reliability.
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She is beautiful. Will you be boosting?
I am going with an EFR 7670 with 1.05 twinscroll external wastegate housing
should be fairly resposive
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:00 PM   #3392
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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

You been listening to my thoughts.......................

Well I will try to follow here.

You have a mod list on another thread. Just to busy to look. I am a tuner thats why.
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:48 PM   #3393
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Add the Syvecs in.

The higher ends like the Syvecs, Motec, Cosworth Pectel will allow you tweak it further, if you need to use it in situation for serious street performance and plus. The S6Plus will allow you such controls. Andy Forrest runs the S8, which also controls the gear box and many other things.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...y=andy+forrest

Watch this. It maybe a little hard to digest, but review it - A 7-Second Quartermile WRX That Turns Corners... Fast - YouTube

So you options are vast. If cost is a problem, use the Hydra/link. Phil is great with the Hydra Support and with the Hydra 2.7, makes it so much easier. but as per usual, chat with your tuner. Key thing to think about is the crank/cam pickup is key. Having a stable processing without drift etc etc is key. Use a unit that is design for serious pickup. Example Hydra EMS and the other High End EMS or Powertrain solution if this is a concern for extracting more performance reliability.
The problem is the the quad VVT, DBW, and 4 wheel speed is killing me. When you actually sit down and start mapping each ECU out, the options narrow quickly. I actually just spent last night going through every ECU on
AIM's site: http://www.aim-sportline.com/eng/dow...ons-racing.htm


The list of ECUS that have/can have the required I/O:

Adaptronic Modular M6000
Haltech Elite 2500 (with a TON of expanders)
Link Thunder
Emtron KV8
Syvecs/Life S8/icr (with expanders)
Motec (with some expanders?)
Pectel (not even sure as their info is not readily available)


Hydra can't do it. Not enough digital in.

Haltech, Emtron, Syvecs/Life, Motec, and Pectel (assuming because no info), are all way out of my price range. That leaves Adaptronic and Link.

With the Link, I would still have to do a few workarounds with CANbus to have everything I want. Configurable CANbus means I can make my own I/O for some stuff like switches. I have also been hearing some no-so-hot opinions about Link a lot more lately. I'm sure they work just fine, but I just know some people that I trust that aren't fond of them.

That leaves Adaptronic on the table, which is what it looks like I am going to go with. I need a few more answers, but then I will probably be pulling the trigger this summer.
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The problem is the the quad VVT, DBW, and 4 wheel speed is killing me. When you actually sit down and start mapping each ECU out, the options narrow quickly. I actually just spent last night going through every ECU on
AIM's site: http://www.aim-sportline.com/eng/dow...ons-racing.htm


The list of ECUS that have/can have the required I/O:

Adaptronic Modular M6000
Haltech Elite 2500 (with a TON of expanders)
Link Thunder
Emtron KV8
Syvecs/Life S8/icr (with expanders)
Motec (with some expanders?)
Pectel (not even sure as their info is not readily available)


Hydra can't do it. Not enough digital in.

Haltech, Emtron, Syvecs/Life, Motec, and Pectel (assuming because no info), are all way out of my price range. That leaves Adaptronic and Link.

With the Link, I would still have to do a few workarounds with CANbus to have everything I want. Configurable CANbus means I can make my own I/O for some stuff like switches. I have also been hearing some no-so-hot opinions about Link a lot more lately. I'm sure they work just fine, but I just know some people that I trust that aren't fond of them.

That leaves Adaptronic on the table, which is what it looks like I am going to go with. I need a few more answers, but then I will probably be pulling the trigger this summer.
Are you running the 3.6?

Ok Sounds good. Yes Hydra will have the limitation, but then you would have to focus on the managing the I/O.

The Syvecs would be expensive and even the S12 for more supporting, but yes the Expander for the S8 or the S6plus. The idea is total control with superb strategies and not just I/O. That is what you pay for.

Good work and I will follow you this thread. I love what you all are doing. Just makes me want a EZ30 on the bench. I dont have time due to my daily job, but could be something nice you put in a few hours from time to time doing things like this.

Do you have a link to your build?

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Are you running the 3.6?

Ok Sounds good. Yes Hydra will have the limitation, but then you would have to focus on the managing the I/O.

The Syvecs would be expensive and even the S12 for more supporting, but yes the Expander for the S8 or the S6plus. The idea is total control with superb strategies and not just I/O. That is what you pay for.

Good work and I will follow you this thread. I love what you all are doing. Just makes me want a EZ30 on the bench. I dont have time due to my daily job, but could be something nice you put in a few hours from time to time doing things like this.

Do you have a link to your build?
Yes, I'm running the 3.6.

The poor strategies is part of why I am shying away from Link. I don't know for sure that they are bad, I just know they aren't transparent, so I have no way of knowing. That's one of the nice things with the Adaptronic. If I don't like something about the logic in the ECU, I can change it and write my own.

I like Syvecs, but it's just too far out of my price range to try and stretch for.

I'm on my phone me right now, but I'll get a link for the the build later. (Nothing special 'cause I'm no good at taking pictures, so it's just blocks of text and no one really replies.
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Yes, I'm running the 3.6.

The poor strategies is part of why I am shying away from Link. I don't know for sure that they are bad, I just know they aren't transparent, so I have no way of knowing. That's one of the nice things with the Adaptronic. If I don't like something about the logic in the ECU, I can change it and write my own.

I like Syvecs, but it's just too far out of my price range to try and stretch for.

I'm on my phone me right now, but I'll get a link for the the build later. (Nothing special 'cause I'm no good at taking pictures, so it's just blocks of text and no one really replies.
The link/Vipecs are great and have a great purpose. Now when I see standard devices approaching the cost of advance devices, I start to wonder.

As far as what I know, below are the following when you are looking at EMS':
  1. Ability to at an advance level, turn the knobs to effect critical operations of the engine
  2. Ability to accurately and precisely determine the next engine operation. The need for FPGA's and possibly RISC processors for that, including precise coding for efficient software processing. The software that drives it all should be optimised for all of the hardware and the hardware optimised to work together efficiently and effectively.
  3. Strategies and analysis on Engine operations and management
  4. Support into known and hidden features to support the operations and management of engines and Powertrains. That is the ability to get customised firmware of software updates to you in the field. That is, the ability of the manufacture to execute change.
  5. Selective Scoping and high logging rate to capture events and operations

For the Link and AEM and this is based on my knowledge and communicating with persons using these product for years, the AEM have problems with timing. Tats no surprise. Hydra solve this many years by have timing modules per unit needs. Link is much better at this, but still have that issue and like many manufactures, try to do it through software. it will never be as fast as using hardware. Then you are just left with strategy.

I strongly believe when manufactures works with Engine Development like how the Top manufactures are, you see a new breed of devices produce. Example, Life Racing/Syvecs, Motec, Bosch, Pectel and a few others. But comes with this development is cost. But for me as a tuner, we are suppose to know better to optimise tuning. We spend and use many hours building the best thing and then overlook the management of such projects.

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The link/Vipecs are great and have a great purpose. Now when I see standard devices approaching the cost of advance devices, I start to wonder.

As far as what I know, below are the following when you are looking at EMS':
  1. Ability to at an advance level, turn the knobs to effect critical operations of the engine
  2. Ability to accurately and precisely determine the next engine operation. The need for FPGA's and possibly RISC processors for that, including precise coding for efficient software processing. The software that drives it all should be optimised for all of the hardware and the hardware optimised to work together efficiently and effectively.
  3. Strategies and analysis on Engine operations and management
  4. Support into known and hidden features to support the operations and management of engines and Powertrains. That is the ability to get customised firmware of software updates to you in the field. That is, the ability of the manufacture to execute change.
  5. Selective Scoping and high logging rate to capture events and operations

For the Link and AEM and this is based on my knowledge and communicating with persons using these product for years, the AEM have problems with timing. Tats no surprise. Hydra solve this many years by have timing modules per unit needs. Link is much better at this, but still have that issue and like many manufactures, try to do it through software. it will never be as fast as using hardware. Then you are just left with strategy.

I strongly believe when manufactures works with Engine Development like how the Top manufactures are, you see a new breed of devices produce. Example, Life Racing/Syvecs, Motec, Bosch, Pectel and a few others. But comes with this development is cost. But for me as a tuner, we are suppose to know better to optimise tuning. We spend and use many hours building the best thing and then overlook the management of such projects.
Here's my build thread: http://www.rs25.com/forums/f145/t216...wapped-rs.html

That reasoning is part of what has been factored into my choice of ECU. I was actually wanting to just develop a new one from scratch, but then I figured out that Adaptronic's software didn't suck any more. Ideally, I would be able to go with a higher end ECU, but I just can't afford it.

I've known that AEM did that, but didn't know Link did. Just another reason for me to not go that route I guess.

Andy, the owner and lead engineer at Adaptronic, is also a tuner. When you couple that with his actual education background, and I think that Adaptronic is one of the best on the market dollar for dollar at the moment. The other ECU I am still somewhat considering is Emtron. There is a lot of variability to it in that you can use a whole slew of tables and constraints to make things work. I just don't know much about the hardware inside. But, at the same time, because the new modular ECUs are still somewhat in development, the available I/O on the Emtron is slightly nicer.

Sorry if this sounds like an advert for Adaptronic, that's not the intention. I just think that it is what I am probably going to go with, so I obviously like its feature set.
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Here's my build thread: http://www.rs25.com/forums/f145/t216...wapped-rs.html

That reasoning is part of what has been factored into my choice of ECU. I was actually wanting to just develop a new one from scratch, but then I figured out that Adaptronic's software didn't suck any more. Ideally, I would be able to go with a higher end ECU, but I just can't afford it.

I've known that AEM did that, but didn't know Link did. Just another reason for me to not go that route I guess.

Andy, the owner and lead engineer at Adaptronic, is also a tuner. When you couple that with his actual education background, and I think that Adaptronic is one of the best on the market dollar for dollar at the moment. The other ECU I am still somewhat considering is Emtron. There is a lot of variability to it in that you can use a whole slew of tables and constraints to make things work. I just don't know much about the hardware inside. But, at the same time, because the new modular ECUs are still somewhat in development, the available I/O on the Emtron is slightly nicer.

Sorry if this sounds like an advert for Adaptronic, that's not the intention. I just think that it is what I am probably going to go with, so I obviously like its feature set.
No its not and if Andy is key to help, nothing beats that. It would be also in his interest to support your project well because of future projects like this. That is if he has the time.

Review the S6Plus. Good pricing if otherwise. Same kits that will be used going forward for the record making GTR's and Porsche's.

The Emtron looks good. Here is a joke. It took me close to a month going through the Syvecs/Life Racing to love it. I haven't seen the bosch one yet, but I find it well kind of laid out. Simtek is good but a little confusing. i found the EMtron to be easy, but not sure of the strategies. Lots of I/O's. But going back to the main points, not sure how well.

My reference to Link are persons with JDM's and a few none JDM's. When switch to another like the Motec or Syvecs with the same tuner, totally difference car in respect to response.

Just do what you can. Just taking bull by the horns and doing such projects, persons like me can just sit and watch and dream

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No its not and if Andy is key to help, nothing beats that. It would be also in his interest to support your project well because of future projects like this. That is if he has the time.

Review the S6Plus. Good pricing if otherwise. Same kits that will be used going forward for the record making GTR's and Porsche's.

The Emtron looks good. Here is a joke. It took me close to a month going through the Syvecs/Life Racing to love it. I haven't seen the bosch one yet, but I find it well kind of laid out. Simtek is good but a little confusing. i found the EMtron to be easy, but not sure of the strategies. Lots of I/O's. But going back to the main points, not sure how well.

My reference to Link are persons with JDM's and a few none JDM's. When switch to another like the Motec or Syvecs with the same tuner, totally difference car in respect to response.

Just do what you can. Just taking bull by the horns and doing such projects, persons like me can just sit and watch and dream
If I could afford a Syvecs, I would probably go that route, but that's $3200 for the ECU plus whatever add-ons I need for the complete I/O package. It's just out of my price range.

Symtec is off the board due to I/O restrictions.

I am also not thrilled about not knowing how things Are you saying there was a marked improvement when switching to another ECU? I wonder if what they have going is that bad?

You can always just build up a parts pile slowly, and put everything together when you have enough. Where there's a will, there's a way, right?
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I know I can. Not sure if I want to be there at the moment with family and little funds. I will see. Trying to get another DD. The GC8 could then become project. I find as I get older, I am losing interest.

I sold my S6 to my friend who will be running it in his 2008+ JDM WRX

Why do you say you dont have enough i/O on the s6plus or even the S8. Let me see the file you created a few pages over.

Update: What are you trying to run, because when I was designing it for a few 3.0/3.6, I had no issue, except for the 5EAT. But in another car I was working on, we were going to use the S12 to control everything. But with the S6Plus and using the CAN, the only issue will be to scan for the communication of the 5EAT. Once can use the 3rd process in the S6Plus for that.

Either ways, just some thoughts and I look forward to your summer.

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