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Old 04-09-2008, 01:39 AM   #1
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Default real low coilovers (S-techs not low enough)

i dont know all that much about suspension so i figured id ask...i need new struts for my 2002 wrx and i would like to just buy coilovers and drop it alot..i never take the car to the track, all i want is to have it lowered alot more than what my s techs gave me...i have alot of megan racing parts so ive been thinking about their coilovers too and they seem to be very cheap compared to others, my question is...will i be able to drop the car around 3 plus inches from the stock height with these
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Old 04-09-2008, 08:02 AM   #2
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Sorry, you want it lowered MORE than the S-techs?

You can probably adjust most of the coilovers out there to be that low. It's a horrible idea, however - your ride quality and handling will both turn to poo quite quickly since you will be pretty much permanently into the bump stops. Plus you might have your axles hitting things they shouldn't, like this guy:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1377606

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Please, I know it looks sweet but it will kill your performance.... it would suck to have 350+whp and understeer badly every time you go around a turn.

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Old 04-09-2008, 09:05 AM   #3
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what wheels are you using?? mad tyte 19's??

how about you measure the height you want..

then replace your strusts with chunks of 2x4.

bolt them in.. trim.. adjust.. until you get it just how you want it.. then take the 2x4's to a machine shop to be duplicated in steel or alloy aluminum.. or skip this step all together, and just use treated lumber..

it would always be that low.. and give about the same handling and ride quality as the car would have slammed on megans

think of all the weight you could save from the car, not having springs, or sway-barz, or brains.. since they'll eventually rattle the rest of the way out.
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:06 AM   #4
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you should get some custom airbags on that bad boy!

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Old 04-09-2008, 09:32 AM   #5
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Just heat up the s techs with a torch until they do a mad drop.

Then, hit em up with some neons.


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Old 04-09-2008, 10:05 AM   #6
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If the Megan coilovers don't drop it enough, you could always drop the spring perch down and lose some stroke to get the extra lowering.

Yes, you might as well buy Megan coilovers. What you're talking about doing is such a bad idea you might as well buy the cheapest coilovers you can find to do it with. Riding with your car scraping is going to be about the same as the stock ride quality on the Megan coilovers anyway.


Other option...buy a Honda.
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:15 AM   #7
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OP, which video game / movie did you get this idea from?

Read the FAQ's before you post, and you'll be able to answer your own questions before you take the time to type a thread like this. If S-techs weren't low enough or didn't ride crappy enough, chop your stock springs
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Old 04-09-2008, 01:46 PM   #8
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So I guess this is just waay too high for you eh ? even lower than this crap ?!?!

haha , lets see a pic of your car buddy !

BTW, this is MY car
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Old 04-09-2008, 01:47 PM   #9
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Oh yea, no longer driving that CRAP suspencion
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:00 PM   #10
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well the s techs came with the car when i bought it, i know alot about engine performance but the suspension game is a whole new thing to me, i didnt get this idea from a video game or anything stupid like that, maybe i worded this question wrong thats why no one will take me seriously, i love boosti's car, the sticky thread on the members club gallery page, all i want to know is...if i buy the megan coilovers can i get my car to sit like that, i have 18s and yes the s techs ride horrible, thats why i want to get rid of them, though i dont drive the car enough and expensive coilovers would just be overkill for me
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well the s techs came with the car when i bought it, i know alot about engine performance but the suspension game is a whole new thing to me, i didnt get this idea from a video game or anything stupid like that, maybe i worded this question wrong thats why no one will take me seriously, i love boosti's car, the sticky thread on the members club gallery page, all i want to know is...if i buy the megan coilovers can i get my car to sit like that, i have 18s and yes the s techs ride horrible, thats why i want to get rid of them, though i dont drive the car enough and expensive coilovers would just be overkill for me
Even expensive coilovers when slammed will still ride like crap. The setup on these cars is one that likes suspension travel.
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:27 PM   #12
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what wheels are you using?? mad tyte 19's??

how about you measure the height you want..

then replace your strusts with chunks of 2x4.

bolt them in.. trim.. adjust.. until you get it just how you want it.. then take the 2x4's to a machine shop to be duplicated in steel or alloy aluminum.. or skip this step all together, and just use treated lumber..

it would always be that low.. and give about the same handling and ride quality as the car would have slammed on megans

think of all the weight you could save from the car, not having springs, or sway-barz, or brains.. since they'll eventually rattle the rest of the way out.


light and mad tyte son
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:29 PM   #13
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well i really dont plan on slamming my car, what im asking here is very simple and people are looking at me like im retarded, cars like boosti and say d money are lowered almost exactly like i want mine, yes s techs suck and i know this, thats why i want coilovers, now before i go and spend alot of money on something, i want to make sure i can lower it how i want it(example boosti's car)
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:37 PM   #14
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well i really dont plan on slamming my car, what im asking here is very simple and people are looking at me like im retarded, cars like boosti and say d money are lowered almost exactly like i want mine, yes s techs suck and i know this, thats why i want coilovers, now before i go and spend alot of money on something, i want to make sure i can lower it how i want it(example boosti's car)
The problem is, their cars are too low (so is kcooks as I keep telling him )

Without fairly radical changes to your suspension geometry you just can't do that stuff and have the car's handling not be all ****ed up. They are show cars, so they don't care about that sort of thing. This is the suspension tech forum, where show cars go to die.

Now, if $$ is no object, you can start looking into the 6Gun or Whiteline roll center kits, and the RCE or Ground Control lowering camber plates as ways that you can reduce wheel gap without making your handling worse, but that is a lot of $$ to spend for what is ultimately aesthetics.

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Old 04-09-2008, 05:40 PM   #15
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So why don't you just check how the cars you like are setup and duplicate that? or better yet pick up the phone and call a suspension expert and see what they recommend. Do you expect everything just handed to you? We have no interest in your car, but YOU do, take the initiative and do some research because only YOU know what you want. What you are asking IS retarded if you know anything about Subaru suspension, doubly so because you are not even listening to the advice you came here asking for.
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:47 PM   #16
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OK, no more name calling. He hasn't done it and none of us should either. Thanks...
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I think you skipped over ButtDyno's first post.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...53&postcount=2

Read the FAQs in his post.

S-techs are about as low as any Impreza should get. If you want to go lower, be prepared for it to ride even worse and handle like a boat.
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:59 PM   #18
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thanks buttdyno for the help, i really appreciate it..maybe i am in the wrong forum then, my car sits in the garage for roughly 9 months out of the year then is hauled to a few car shows and only driven around town, i said i never take this car to the track but what i really meant was its never driven...so it basically is a show car and i dont really care about handling all that much, sorry for not saying this before....so one final point, can megan coilovers drop my car to look like d money or boosti
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When one asks low ride height + Subaru, we know.

If you don't care about handling, fine. If you expect better performance and/or better ride, you're doing it wrong. I just want you to be clear on this. A lowered car will ride like crap and will handle like crap. I want you to fully understand what you're asking us and what you're attempting to do.

If you want a better ride, as you seem to want, your car will end up higher. Plus you will end up with better (appropriate) springs of one sort or another that are more appropriate for the car and the dampers you're using. It's simple physics really. You have a spring and damper on each corner and the car mass is shared among them. The road provides the forces, and the spring/damper combo has to handle them. How they handle them will determine the ride behavior of the car.

Isn't there some air ride suspension around for the Subarus? That might be something to look into if you want some range of adjustment. From what I've heard, they just seem to ride really harsh.
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There is the Praxis air suspension but it's not supported anymore.
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Ah! There we go! If you are more concerned about it being a show car then by all means build it to be a show car, and slam the hell out of it with tucked front and rear. Seriously, if that's what you're after then do that. If it's handling you are after then we need to go in a different direction.

Ultimately, what you need to decide is what direction you want to go in. If it's handling then the handling shops, and junkies here can help you out. If it's show car stuff then the show car guys can help you out. I'll admit I'd be no help on that one. I'm out of my element on the show car stuff.


There was an air ride for a while - the praxis, but it's now gone.

edit: Doh! BD beat me to it.
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thanks buttdyno for the help, i really appreciate it..maybe i am in the wrong forum then, my car sits in the garage for roughly 9 months out of the year then is hauled to a few car shows and only driven around town, i said i never take this car to the track but what i really meant was its never driven...so it basically is a show car and i dont really care about handling all that much, sorry for not saying this before....so one final point, can megan coilovers drop my car to look like d money or boosti
so i've been thinking..

then read that it is a show car (with an fp Green)

so i thought about it more

how about this new plan.
  1. slam it where you like it..
  2. reach in, draw a line on the strut rod where it meets the strut body..
  3. remove all the struts..
  4. push in the rod to the pre-marked lines..
  5. weld them solid..
  6. reinstall with out all the springs and sway bars.. like we talked about before.
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If you want your car dropped sell it and buy a Honda or a Monte Carlo. Please don't ruin the Subie you will regret it in the long run. If you do lower it do it right!!!!!!!
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Man, sometimes I feel like all my suspension pontificating has just produced a land full of suspension zealots!

rallyrab - please forgive the rabid responses you've gotten from some of the folk as they have (fortunately) been brought up, i.e. converted to a line of suspension thinking/tuning that centers around performance over looks. Its been a battle fought for years to educate people on how to get an Impreza to handle well and to eschew the typical "honda" based suspension "tuning" philosophies like "you have to lower your car, it will handle better, yo!". Anyway, these guys are just passionate about getting people to LEARN about properly setting up a car and they become a bit fanatical when people discuss wanting to slam their cars.

with that said, most any of the coilovers out there that have separate adjustable lower clevis can lower your car quite a bit. they will all pretty much lower your car the same amount as the limit to lowering is how low the strut body can go before it contacts the CV. So the inexpensive routes will be Megan or BC. both are made by the same folk and are about the same price. As the guys up top have mentioned, as long as you are aware that this will not improve your handling (other than having that go kart feeling) then you are good to go. Just get it as low as you can and just be careful that the strut is not contacting the CV when you set it up (or down!). You will have a bit more suspension travel on these types of coilovers than with a strut/spring combo so that is a good thing. There is a long thread in the parts review section for BC coilovers with lots of pics.

Good luck and post some pics with the sparks flyin' yo!
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alright thanks alot guys for trying to help me out, i guess what im doing is equivalent to people asking which bov to get and then why their car blew up later because that annoys me too, except thats in the engine performance forum and this is the suspension forum, yes it is a show car and yes i have an fp green with around 400 whp, just because the engine is set up good doesnt mean i have the money or the need to set up the rest of the car that way, all i really want is no wheel gap at all, no tucking no slamming just no wheel gap and i didnt get that with just springs...so if some of u want to laugh at this go for it, im not building a track car, i just need something cheap to get rid of wheel gap...period

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