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Old 12-22-2004, 08:27 PM   #426
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This is the only way (unless God forbid- somebody goes up in smoke!) to get the dealers (and SOA) on board:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
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Old 12-22-2004, 10:19 PM   #427
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I started having a fuel smell after I installed a Walbro fuel pump and my 650cc RC injectors...any ideas on what happened? I am also hearing what sounds to be a vaccum leak on the drivers side that I can't find...
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Old 12-23-2004, 03:15 AM   #428
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it would cost me $800+ to fix it.
Is your dealer on crack or reefer?
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Old 12-23-2004, 08:39 AM   #429
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Well i went to the dealer. guess what? its gonna cost $395 to get it fixed thats with a $85 credit. According to the dealer, its only covered under the ****in 36,000/3yr warranty. So i'm SOL basically. on to that website i go!
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Old 12-23-2004, 09:41 AM   #430
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its only covered under the ****in 36,000/3yr warranty. So i'm SOL basically.
That's the real story with SOA. . . once you cross 36,000 you are SOL, especially if you have any mods and the car still starts.

I bought a relatively new car b/c I thought it was important to have a warranty. I'm a dumbass for that. It's Acuras for me next time. Maybe warranty service isn't better, but the cars don't leak gas.
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Old 12-23-2004, 10:32 AM   #431
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Im going in today... It has warmed up to 45 degrees but im gonna raise all hell if they dont fix it.

Luckily I have 4k left of my 60 k extended bumper to bumper. This will be the second time ive used it. They better fix this asap!
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Old 12-23-2004, 10:54 AM   #432
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It just sunk to below freezing here in Dallas and I got the dreaded fuel smell for the first time last night. It's WAY stronger than I thought it would be! I couldn't see any puddles of fuel or anything, but I didn't look very hard as I was in a rush. I plan on driving the car a little bit today to see if it comes back again. It's below freezing again today.

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Uppipe, downpipe, axle-back (JDM STi), unichip, AVC-R, misc suspension stuff.

I really don't think mods are the issue. A local guy with a stock WRX had this happen last year.
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Old 12-23-2004, 12:38 PM   #433
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I took mine in and they ddint even look at the car. the parts are ordered and I still have my car any they will call me when the parts are in.

Granted I have a 60k mile extended bumper to bumper and my WRX is an early production 02 so theres no wat my engine number is above the forementioned. In the end itll cost me 50 bucks but I will be done with that smell.

Its 45 here in pittsburgh today and the temperatures can change by 40 degrees in less than 24 hours. That wa smy problem because getting into the dealer on a cold day is going to be tough. They guy inderstood and just ordered the parts.

+1 for my subaru dealership for doing something right.
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Old 12-23-2004, 02:50 PM   #434
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It's finally cold enough here in Central TX for this problem to occur. What is the cause? Hardened seals? I wonder if the extended warranty that I purchased from an outside source might actually come in handy. I just rolled over 36000.

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Old 12-23-2004, 03:10 PM   #435
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^^ The cause is a poor design by Subaru that uses a rubber hose to bridge 2 metal fuel lines. They didn't allow for enough mating between the rubber hose and metal fuel line. They realized this in later models and the design was revised. There is a diagram on the Subaru TSB that addresses this problem. A bunch of us up here in Dallas are experiencing the same thing as it's finally gotten cold enough for it
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Old 12-24-2004, 01:06 PM   #436
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I have an 02 with a Cobb Stage 2.5 mod list. I have 45,000 miles and I also have the extended warranty. I am experiencing the fuel issue here in Colorado. I believe that the dreaded cold air fuel leak issue is now mine. I wanted to just post that I will try on Monday to have this addressed by my local dealership as I have the extended warranty. IF I have to make the fix by getting the TSB kit, I am going to be a bit pissed off.

If anybody has any technical info that I missed on the previous 434 posts, I would love to see it.

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Old 12-24-2004, 08:03 PM   #437
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OK I got my wrx wagon back yesterday the 23rd & its all fixxed.

No leak & the car feels as though it has a bit more power & dosn't hesitate like it use to.

bill came up to 398.&change but with my warrenty I paid 50.00 of it thru my warrenty.

Yaaaa,we will see how it go's its is getting down to 12f at night here in Wa state so I wil be testing the car the next couple of days.

Thank you Cascade Subaru.
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Old 12-27-2004, 12:56 PM   #438
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I just got my car back from the dealer after they had it for a week !

$528.44 was the total to fix the fuel line.

was the fix on that service bulletin...

dang !! I'll be calling Subaru...if that doesn't work, will certainly be logging an issue with those sites...

*update*

Just tried to call....'due to unforseen circumstances the call center is closed'

alright, which one of you haxored their system ?

well, I guess i'm gonna have to save my rant for another time when they are open...

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Old 12-27-2004, 01:22 PM   #439
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Definitely log the complaint with nhtsa. This is an important step in getting Subaru to issue a recall.
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Old 12-27-2004, 02:49 PM   #440
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Logged it with the NHTSA... I hope it helps.
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Old 12-27-2004, 03:19 PM   #441
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Well, called back and got in touch with a phone rep, told my concerns of a safety issue that they knew about and didn't tell me.
(that is the short version)

so now I have to fax in a copy of my bill and a quick letter and see what kind of deal we can work. Heck, the cost of the bill and cost of rental has put me out over $700.00 total..

I hope to get something out of this. This is nuts.

wish me luck.
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Old 12-27-2004, 03:58 PM   #442
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wow.
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Old 12-27-2004, 04:26 PM   #443
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A local guy here in Dallas did the same thing and I think they reimbursed him 50%.
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Old 12-28-2004, 02:19 PM   #444
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'05 STI with 3k miles on the clock... I started getting the smell about 500 miles ago. My step-dad fixed this problem on my mom's Outback and showed me the clamp that needs tightening... can't decide if I should uninstall my AP and bring it in to the dealer, or wait till it gets warm out and fix it myself. I can't believe they are still selling new subies with this problem.
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Old 12-28-2004, 02:34 PM   #445
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the first time I complained about it last year, they said they just tightened something.
This time around they said it needed to be replaced, so not sure what the diff was this year...

well, I faxed a letter off to SOA along with copies of the work order and rental receipt, so hopefully they will get back to me with some $$.
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Old 12-29-2004, 08:57 AM   #446
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I just started getting the fuel smell 2 weeks ago after not a hint of hit for 3 years. Already filed a complaint with the NHTSB and giving the dealership a call today.

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Old 12-29-2004, 06:04 PM   #447
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My 2002 black wagon, one of the first-March 12, 2001, did this fuel thing last week for the first time; cold here in the Dallas area.

Why does this only do it when it is cold? I am out of warranty so I hope a TSB comes out quick.

Now that the weather has warmed up, I do not smell gas. The smell was terrible; was afraid to drive it last week.
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Old 12-29-2004, 06:47 PM   #448
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Took my car in last night. It's a 2002 wrx sedan, 51.5k miles on it (well out of warranty).

I paid absolutely nothing. I never got an estimate for the work and all of a sudden I get a call saying they finished the work and it was going to be $312. So I asked who gave them the authorization to go ahead and fix the car. The lady at the counter walked into an office and came out saying that warranty will cover it !! Best of luck to you without warranty... Hopefully they'll screw up for you guys, too.
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Old 12-29-2004, 07:44 PM   #449
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Why does this only do it when it is cold? I am out of warranty so I hope a TSB comes out quick.
A TSB will not help with your warranty concern, if you are out of warranty it is usually the customer responsibility as it has been proven to not be a safety concern (it's an odor, not an actual leak) and it did not occur during the warranty period.

There is already a TSB out regarding this:

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Technican Service Bulletin
NUMBER: 09-36-03
DATE: 04/01/03
APPLICABILITY: 2002MY Impreza WRX
SUBJECT: Fuel Smell in Cold Weather

INTRODUCTION
Some 2002 model Impreza WRX (2.0L Turbo) may experience a fuel smell in cold weather (temperature < 14F) from the rubber hose connector, located under the intake manifold, between two direct fuel-feed metal lines to the injectors.

REPAIR
The changing of the pipe and hose size was adopted, starting with engine number 673467 to better align the two fuel lines. This was accomplished by shortening the fuel pipe and lengthening the hose both by 30mm. To complete this service procedure, you must replace the fuel pipe assembly and hose as a set.
Follow the service procedure in the appropriate service manual to remove the intake manifold from the vehicle.

PARTS
Replace the pipe and hose as a set.

PART NUMBER DESCRIPTION
17544AA134 Pipe complete (30mm shorter than Old one)
807707140 Hose (30mm longer than Old one)
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Old 12-29-2004, 09:34 PM   #450
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... it has been proven to not be a safety concern (it's an odor, not an actual leak) ...
No, it hasn't been proven this defect isn't a safety concern and it IS an actual leak. It's quite obvious you've never experienced this defect, I guess because your location is FL. What if you've lived in FL and then move north after your "bumper-to-bumper" has expired?

I ranted about this earlier this "season" (this thread is revived every winter) at http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=349. It appears that NHTSA asked too narrow a question at 11 (d) of http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/prepos/...002-16781P.pdf:
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12. Furnish Subaru's assessment of alleged defect in the subject vehicle, including:
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d. The risk to motor vehicle safety it poses, including potential hot surfaces ignition sources in a 12 inch lateral radius from leakage point and vertically downward;
...
The problem here is that gasoline leaks onto the top of the cylinder block in sufficient quantity to enable it to flow, not just wet. So it doesn't stay put. Instead, it tends to migrate toward the rear of the block, closer to the turbo and exhaust downpipe, which are farther away than 12 lateral inches from the leak.

I do believe this is a safety defect and I do hope it doesn't require engine fires to convince Subaru that they should issue a recall to correct this particular defect.

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