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Old 12-15-2014, 12:44 PM   #6376
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I have not-- sped off to work as soon as I got the car back. The dealership does tend to overfill slightly, and the paperwork says they put in six quarts. I'm still highly confident that my car will burn it off quickly enough to qualify me for the new engine.
If its over the full marker, I'd call them up. How can anything be gauged if no one is sure how much there was to begin with and how much has been lost?
I only asked because I don't think anyone gets less than 6 quarts from dealer fills.
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Old 12-15-2014, 12:45 PM   #6377
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I know these cars are not getting good resale value.
How do you know this?
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Old 12-15-2014, 03:27 PM   #6378
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That's for a 2014 Impreza...I believe the bulletin is for 12-13'
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Old 12-15-2014, 04:07 PM   #6379
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How do you know this?
isn't it just a common sense?

who would pay for "possibly" defective car for top dollar?

also,

https://www.google.com/search?q=impr...m=122&ie=UTF-8

that's what the part of lawsuit is about

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That's for a 2014 Impreza...I believe the bulletin is for 12-13'

TSB is for 12/13 but IIRC 14's have same issue too.
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Old 12-15-2014, 05:06 PM   #6380
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If its over the full marker, I'd call them up. How can anything be gauged if no one is sure how much there was to begin with and how much has been lost?
I only asked because I don't think anyone gets less than 6 quarts from dealer fills.
A reasonable point. Here's why I'm unconcerned: Let's say they overfilled by half a quart. My car burns a bit over 1 quart per 1200 miles. After the 1200 miles of consumption test rolls by, I'll be down, say, 1.25 quarts. The dealership measures it, and they see that I'm down to 0.75 quarts less than "full". That's still more than double the threshold for getting the issue addressed.

Anyway, I'll check it when I get home.
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:49 PM   #6381
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isn't it just a common sense?
There are two reasons why this might not be common sense:
  1. The general car-buying public isn't as aware of a car's potential problems as the members of this forum, and
  2. The problem isn't wide-spread enough to create a below-average reliability rating in consumer magazines.

I believe both of these points are true, so no, I don't think it's common sense that Impreza resale values will drop in any dramatic way because of this oil consumption issue.

Isn't it common sense that you and I know more about this problem than 99% of the people who might be in the market for a used Impreza, and who are more likely to trust what Consumer Reports says about Impreza reliability than what a handful of this forum's members say?
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:58 PM   #6382
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There are two reasons why this might not be common sense:
  1. The general car-buying public isn't as aware of a car's potential problems as the members of this forum, and
  2. The problem isn't wide-spread enough to create a below-average reliability rating in consumer magazines.

I believe both of these points are true, so no, I don't think it's common sense that Impreza resale values will drop in any dramatic way because of this oil consumption issue.

Isn't it common sense that you and I know more about this problem than 99% of the people who might be in the market for a used Impreza, and who are more likely to trust what Consumer Reports says about Impreza reliability than what a handful of this forum's members say?
even if general public are not aware, potential buyers DO research before making a major purchase.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/n...cars/index.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...suit/12859865/

if you come across article like this, wouldn't you be worried and maybe cross off from the potential list?
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:06 PM   #6383
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even if general public are not aware, potential buyers DO research before making a major purchase.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/n...cars/index.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...suit/12859865/

if you come across article like this, wouldn't you be worried and maybe cross off from the potential list?
Ive never heard some someone claiming they dont have any common sense. I mean in 2012 when i bought my vehicle there was nothing about the consumption but.... you own a 2014.... Lots of documentation about the potential problem. That sure didnt stop you from buying a subaru.

It wont stop anyone else from buying one either.
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:11 PM   #6384
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Ive never heard some someone claiming they dont have any common sense. I mean in 2012 when i bought my vehicle there was nothing about the consumption but.... you own a 2014.... Lots of documentation about the potential problem. That sure didnt stop you from buying a subaru.

It wont stop anyone else from buying one either.
I used to have 2013 impreza 5mt

and I got 2014 for two reasons

1. what I've read, mostly MT had problem. so I got CVT
2. Subaru said they fixed something, but not really

and now I have Rav4, because I needed something bigger and I could've gotten Forester or XV, but I didn't because I know about the oil problem.

and 14 impreza only has about 3300miles and no real consumption issue as of yet. Dealer was putting way too much oil (about an inch over full mark). Free oil change at dealer for first year so got it done last week.
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:14 PM   #6385
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I used to have 2013 impreza 5mt

and I got 2014 for two reasons

1. what I've read, mostly MT had problem. so I got CVT
2. Subaru said they fixed something, but not really

and now I have Rav4, because I needed something bigger and I could've gotten Forester or XV, but I didn't because I know about the oil problem.

and 14 impreza only has about 3300miles and no real consumption issue as of yet. Dealer was putting way too much oil (about an inch over full mark). Free oil change at dealer for first year so got it done last week.
So you bought the same car pretty much 2 times? You and that charlie guy that started this thread should have a beer and talk common sense.
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if you come across article like this, wouldn't you be worried and maybe cross off from the potential list?
Maybe. And I'm well aware of those articles too. But you and I are more informed about this car than a VAST majority of car buyers. If this wasn't true, you and I wouldn't be having this debate right now.

How many people will come across those articles? Not many. Most people will do this: They will go to consumerreports.org, they will type "Subaru Impreza" into the search field, and they will look at all the red dots. The only half-black dot they will see for 2012+ Impreza is that the 2012 Impreza got a half-black dot for Body Integrity. In every other category, everything is average or better.

Then they will look at the Owner Satisfaction ratings and see that in the Small Cars category, the Impreza is the highest-scoring AWD car. And they will say to themselves, "Hey, the Impreza looks very reliable, and it has high owner satisfaction, and I need AWD because I drive through the snow every winter, so that's the car I'm gonna buy."

I think you give the general buying public more credit than it deserves. I also think that you think the problem is bigger than it really is. Don't get me wrong: I feel your pain. I know what it's like to be greatly dissatisfied with a car (my Impreza does not make me feel dissatisfied; I'm referring to a previous car). So I understand your frustration, aggravation, and bitterness. But just because you had a bad experience with your Impreza doesn't mean that most people do/will. I don't have anything bad to say about my 2012. And judging from all the red dots I see for the 2012+ Impreza in the Engine categories (where I would expect oil consumption issues to be revealed), I don't think many people will be scared away from buying a used 2012+ Impreza. And I don't think the resale values will fall as you predict/hope they will.
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Part of the high resale in subaru's of the past was due to them being produced in somewhat lower numbers. They have basically quadrupled production and cheapened the cars, I really don't think these will at all be as sought after on the used market as previous subarus.
And Consumer Reports did have an oil light come on. They just didn't do any kind of follow up to it. Shame on any motor journal who gives such praises for something they know has an oil thirst. I guess they had already praised it so highly they didn't want to discredit themselves by making much of a fuss about the oil loss.
Mine just burned about two quarts in 4000 miles.
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Ive never heard some someone claiming they dont have any common sense. I mean in 2012 when i bought my vehicle there was nothing about the consumption but.... you own a 2014.... Lots of documentation about the potential problem. That sure didnt stop you from buying a subaru.

It wont stop anyone else from buying one either.
We also own a 2014. We went into this purchase fully aware of the oil consumption issues. I believed that the issue was fixed with the new piston rings. I even brought it up to our salesperson prior to the sale. She claimed to be unaware of it before we mentioned it. Looking back now, I wouldn't have bought this car.
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:37 AM   #6389
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If you search on the internet, you can always find negative reviews for anything, regardless of the quality. Am I afraid someone will Google 2012 Impreza and be scared away due to the small amount of problems? Nope
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Looking back now, I wouldn't have bought this car.
Is your car consuming oil? If so, how much? What car would you have purchased instead?
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My trade in was over heating when i traded it in from a Blown HG. Ill take a little oil consumption over worrying whether i need to pull over and let it cool down. Not trying to make you guys sound like whine asses but you all should have a taste of what a really unreliable car is like.

I can check my oil every 2 months and be fine.

And honestly you people that complain the most are usually the same ones that trade their cars in every 3 years.

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Old 12-16-2014, 01:19 PM   #6392
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Not trying to make you guys sound like whine asses but you all should have a taste of what a really unreliable car is like.

I can check my oil every 2 months and be fine.
I think most of us would agree that our Imprezas are very reliable-- I haven't heard a single report of one breaking down, or overheating, or having any other issues rendering them undrivable.

The oil burning thing is a pretty significant nuisance for some of us, though. For me, it's not a matter of "check the oil every 2 months", it's a matter of "check the oil twice a week, and add half a quart every week or two".

You're right that there are plenty of cars that are a bigger pain in the ass to own than a new Subaru that burns a bit of oil. So what? We bought Imprezas because we wanted practical, low maintenance, reliable basic transportation. If I wanted something that would require me to be under the hood more than once a week and take monthly trips to NAPA to replace the oil it's burning, I would've gotten something else.
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What scoobie doo said....you're investing in a new car...not a R&D project for Subaru...

I'm not a whiny ass...I'm a concerned customer. If it were a lease, I wouldn't give a flying F if it were consuming oil, not my problem. However, for a vehicle I'm financing/bought outright, then I'm going to be pissed I bought a NEW car with an issue that WILL affect its longevity and resale value.

Sounds like SOME of you can't accept reality that your vehicle has a serious mechanical flaw and are going to ignore it/put a band aid on it til you're really f'ed and out of warranty. What then?
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What scoobie doo said....you're investing in a new car...not a R&D project for Subaru...

I'm not a whiny ass...I'm a concerned customer. If it were a lease, I wouldn't give a flying F if it were consuming oil, not my problem. However, for a vehicle I'm financing/bought outright, then I'm going to be pissed I bought a NEW car with an issue that WILL affect its longevity and resale value.

Sounds like SOME of you can't accept reality that your vehicle has a serious mechanical flaw and are going to ignore it/put a band aid on it til you're really f'ed and out of warranty. What then?
I can't accept that my car uses more oil than my 23 year old International turbo diesel.
Just ignore the lames that like to play PR spokesman for subaru 24/7. And the trolls.
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I can't accept that my car uses more oil than my 23 year old International turbo diesel.
Just ignore the lames that like to play PR spokesman for subaru 24/7. And the trolls.
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They will go to consumerreports.org, they will type "Subaru Impreza" into the search field, and they will look at all the red dots. The only half-black dot they will see for 2012+ Impreza is that the 2012 Impreza got a half-black dot for Body Integrity. In every other category, everything is average or better.
Don't write off the black dots just yet, it could take a little time. As these cars age, I wouldn't be surprised at all to eventually see Subaru get dinged in the engine category for this. The certainly deserve it in my opinion.

There should be a "manufacturer integrity" category as well and Subaru should get a big fat black dot for what appears to be an official policy of overfilling these engines to throw off the consumption test and mask the true consumption. If it's the dealers that are doing this on their own, Subaru needs to crack down because it's downright dishonest.
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What scoobie doo said....you're investing in a new car...not a R&D project for Subaru...

I'm not a whiny ass...I'm a concerned customer. If it were a lease, I wouldn't give a flying F if it were consuming oil, not my problem. However, for a vehicle I'm financing/bought outright, then I'm going to be pissed I bought a NEW car with an issue that WILL affect its longevity and resale value.

Sounds like SOME of you can't accept reality that your vehicle has a serious mechanical flaw and are going to ignore it/put a band aid on it til you're really f'ed and out of warranty. What then?
You are using the word investment loosely right? Its actually more of a tool. its used for a specific purpose and when you are done with it you buy another. Investments actually have the ability to gain in value. Thats not the case with any practical mass produced car driven daily.

So when the impreza breaks out of warranty what will i do? Fix it like any other car out of warranty. Its not rocket science. Any and every car will break.

Its not a failure to understand that this is an issue its a failure to overreact and blow something out of proportion for my personal case.

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You got rid of your vehicle. move on

Technically I have moved on...to another vehicle.

Doesn't mean I have to stop monitoring the situation.
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You are using the word investment loosely right?

So when the impreza breaks out of warranty what will i do? Fix it like any other car out of warranty. Its not rocket science. Any and every car will break.

Its not a failure to understand that this is an issue its a failure to overreact and blow something out of proportion for my personal case.
A car is an investment and you hope to have as much equity in it as possible when its time for another purchase.

Fix it items include wear/tear, not engine replacements due to production flaws.

People here may be over-reacting, but for good reason. They're spending time towards a resolution of a problem through no fault of their own, and time is money.
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A car is an investment and you hope to have as much equity in it as possible when its time for another purchase.

Fix it items include wear/tear, not engine replacements due to production flaws.

People here may be over-reacting, but for good reason. They're spending time towards a resolution of a problem through no fault of their own, and time is money.
You're absolutely right.
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