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Old 06-15-2019, 08:09 AM   #1
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Many Toyota models will get two new safety features starting with the 2020 model year.
The first feature will automatically put the car in park if it detects a risk that it could roll away.
The second will automatically shut off the engine after a certain amount of time.
Starting with the 2020 model year, Toyota is adding two new safety technologies to many of its models, calling the move part of the brand's "relentless commitment to continuous improvement." The new features are focused on the safety of parked—or almost parked—vehicles.

The first of the two systems is called Automatic Park, which is pretty self-explanatory. In Toyotas with an electronic shifter and/or an electronic parking brake, the car will automatically put itself into park and/or apply the parking brake if it detects the driver has exited the car without putting it into park. This anti-roll-away system is in addition to the existing visual and audio warnings that Toyotas already have to indicate when the vehicle is not in park.

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The other system is called Auto Shut Off. An extension of Toyota's Smart Key, which has been around since 2003 and alerts the driver when the engine is still running, the new system will automatically turn off the engine after a certain amount of time. Toyota doesn't say how long the car will wait before shutting the engine off, but it says the car will also produce "enhanced" audible and visual warnings. In the future, a Toyota smartphone app will have additional reminders.

Toyota doesn't say which of its cars will get these features, but we have a good idea based on the descriptions of them. Because the Automatic Park system is only available on cars with electronic shifters or parking brakes, that rules out older vehicles like the 4Runner and the Land Cruiser, which have old-school shifters, and cars such as the 86 that still use manual parking brakes. The Auto Shut Off system is likely to be introduced on more models, but likely only ones that have push-button start.

Toyota also doesn't say when these features will begin to be rolled out, but with some 2020 model Toyotas already on sale now, it should be very soon.
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Old 06-15-2019, 11:37 AM   #3
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Any opposition to this is purely people being stuck in the mud.
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Old 06-15-2019, 01:39 PM   #6
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Something like 25 people have died from CO poisoning after they accidentally left their cars running in the garage. Toyota and other carmakers have been settling out of court to avoid a giant recall campaign.

I'm sure the purists and social darwinists of NASIOC will bemoan the further pussification of America, but these safety interlocks should have been integrated into these systems from the start. Replacing a key with something more complex was asking for trouble.
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Something like 25 people have died from CO poisoning after they accidentally left their cars running in the garage. Toyota and other carmakers have been settling out of court to avoid a giant recall campaign.

I'm sure the purists and social darwinists of NASIOC will bemoan the further pussification of America, but these safety interlocks should have been integrated into these systems from the start. Replacing a key with something more complex was asking for trouble.
society is devolving and people are becoming dumber by the day. im all for letting darwin thin the herd of the dumbest of the dumb.
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Old 06-15-2019, 03:44 PM   #8
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society is devolving and people are becoming dumber by the day. im all for letting darwin thin the herd of the dumbest of the dumb.
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Old 06-15-2019, 03:54 PM   #9
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I'm not on the side of death; but, also don't think a manufacturer shouldn't be held accountable for something like this. You still have to reach forward to start the car. Push button just makes it quicker than turning a key. Shutting the car down, you still have to reach forward to turn the key and pull it out. Push button just makes THAT easier. It's not the car's fault the person doesn't do that.
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I'm not on the side of death; but, also don't think a manufacturer shouldn't be held accountable for something like this. You still have to reach forward to start the car. Push button just makes it quicker than turning a key. Shutting the car down, you still have to reach forward to turn the key and pull it out. Push button just makes THAT easier. It's not the car's fault the person doesn't do that.
How tall are you? Reach forward?

I agree that the manufacturer probably shouldn't be held accountable in this situation. However, there is pretty clearly a latent failure mode with these systems that has led to people dying, including people who were not the ones at fault for not turning off the car. In this case, once the failure mode became apparent, the manufacturer should be on the hook to fix it, at a minimum on future models. Whether or not they shod be required to retrofit the fix in existing models is another matter.
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society is devolving and people are becoming dumber by the day. im all for letting darwin thin the herd of the dumbest of the dumb.
Yep, and I also hear a lot of millennials want socialism. Silver spoon laziness.
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How tall are you? Reach forward?

I agree that the manufacturer probably shouldn't be held accountable in this situation. However, there is pretty clearly a latent failure mode with these systems that has led to people dying, including people who were not the ones at fault for not turning off the car. In this case, once the failure mode became apparent, the manufacturer should be on the hook to fix it, at a minimum on future models. Whether or not they shod be required to retrofit the fix in existing models is another matter.


"Reach forward". "Lift arm to put key in slot and turn/push button". "Reach forward" is shorter to say. EITHER way, the same motion of your arm is required for turning on the car and turning it off. Someone leaves it on because they can't remember to turn it off is not the cars fault.

I'm not following your "failure mode"...
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Old 06-15-2019, 07:56 PM   #13
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i think the problem is with auto stop start, by the time people pull into their garage shift/hit the park button the engine has already shutoff so people forget to hit the push to start button to completely turn off the car. All my vehicles have keys and will beep at you if the key still in the ignition cylinder, does push to start not do the same if the car is on even though the engine is not running?
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I'm not on the side of death; but, also don't think a manufacturer shouldn't be held accountable for something like this. You still have to reach forward to start the car. Push button just makes it quicker than turning a key. Shutting the car down, you still have to reach forward to turn the key and pull it out. Push button just makes THAT easier. It's not the car's fault the person doesn't do that.
Have you never driven a car with keyless ignition? Key never leaves your pocket. Ignition button can be closer to you as a driver than the volume knob.

Add in auto stop start, and auto hold features, and those kinds of cars NEED this feature, period. Would I hold a manufacturer negligent? Probably not. But at some point, maybe. They've made it easy to forget that the car is still "running", because it's enabled the parking break and stopped the engine when you pull the car in the garage.


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Have you never driven a car with keyless ignition? Key never leaves your pocket. Ignition button can be closer to you as a driver than the volume knob.

Add in auto stop start, and auto hold features, and those kinds of cars NEED this feature, period. Would I hold a manufacturer negligent? Probably not. But at some point, maybe. They've made it easy to forget that the car is still "running", because it's enabled the parking break and stopped the engine when you pull the car in the garage.


The lack of empathy and compassion in NASIOC never ceases to blow my mind.
i have driven keyless ignition cars for the past 10 years, and not once did i forget to turn it off.

if you knowingly purchase a car with auto stop start, maybe you shouldn't be in the gene pool. i had one for a loaner, and it was the most annoying thing i've ever dealt with in a car.
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You have one job when you’re operating a vehicle.
Operating the vehicle.

I’m opposed to all of these freaking nannies. It’s getting / been ridiculous.

However, I look around at all of the idiotic, distracted drivers where operating their vehicle is NOT their #1 priority, and it’s these people that ruin it for the rest of us.
It’s why we can’t have nice things. It’s why we lose more freedoms.

It’s a sad state and I don’t know why these people are the way they are. I’d agree the majority are females - probably 80% or so, of all ages.

It’s obviously how brains are wired. I think most folks have most of what it takes to mentally compartmentalize things so they can focus on the things that need to be focused on.

But then I see sober people on their morning/afternoon commutes, not on their phones, that cannot keep their vehicle in its lane. Lane wandering, pulling wide to make turns when completely unnecessary etc.

I don’t know. I’m a firm believer in driving ed classes every 5 years. Not because I need them, but because apparently a bunch of other people do.

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On the keyless ignition thing, owned,own,driven cars with it since 2009.
Never once had an issue using it. Never once not turned it off.

However, again, I don’t think a lot of folks are dealing with a full deck on any given day. Add in a crapload of distractions to these folks, in addition to something more complex than a key, and there ya go.
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The stupidity and narcissism in this thread is entirely aggravating. I hope you all don't procreate and raise similarly apathetic children.
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