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Old 06-26-2013, 12:14 PM   #3976
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On my way to a meeting. I will edit this with response and answers this evening.
I vouch for most of the first half of her post....

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I didn't ever ignore him, I spoke with him and even offered to try to take care of it (mind you that at this point nobody has any idea what is even wrong with the car). He's in Washington and did not find it cost effective to ship the car to Texas to get it fixed. So I then tried to reach out to a shop that was local to him that I trust to see if they would help him out.

Also, pretty sure nothing is wrong with the turbo. Keith felt the turbo when we were in Vegas and thought he felt shaft play. But when we got home he felt the exact same turbo (we have one here that is brand new never been on a car) and it felt the same.
But if the turbo was messed up I would have no issues getting it warrantied for him (it has a 1 year warranty on it but that warranty will expire this month I do believe)
Even he stated that at this point he doesn't know what the cause is. Nobody does. I'm in Texas I've offered to help but was politely turned down. I ran a very theories by him but they are nothing but theories since we have not seen the car.
I am aware that this car saw well over 30psi (I thought he said his gauge pegged 35+ psi but I could be wrong...) and the car was only tuned for 27psi. So one of my theories was fueling because his fuel system doesn't support those power levels. (He has a Go Fast Bits Manual boost controller on the car now. We ran the same one on the Mexico STi and it failed while we were in Vegas causing that car to see 45 psi during a pass down the track. We have never had that issue before but have since then upgraded to a $550 Eboost controller.)
Could be an oil pump. It's a brand new OEM 11mm STi oil pump, not shimmed. We have not seen any issues with them but you never know.
The list of theories goes on.
I offered to help and if he were in Texas I'm sure the offer would have been more useful. If we did something everyone knows we would take care of it.
As for the other issues. We drove the hell out of the car before it left for Washington to check for issues. Keith spent weeks tuning it and even drive it to killeen and back to get the car inspected for the owner. (That's where it was registered and he had moved to Washington so he couldn't do it himself).
Yes the original OEM oil pan leaked and we fixed it. He only got charged for oil because the car was due for an oil change anyways. But if the oil pan is still leaking its possible its warped (it's the original oil pan from when the car was brought in). Again a theory but easy to test.
The axles.. They didn't leak when it was here. To be honest I'm amazed they are holding up. Stock axles at 560+whp normally break. Again an issue I would have loved the opportunity to see and fix if possible.
I'm still puzzled at the battery because we purchased it brand new from o'reillys. I was never told it was three years old. I was told by Optima that he could not get it covered under warranty because we purchased it and the non-transferable warranty is in our name (I was unaware that the warranties were non-transferrable until I spoke with Optima in Nov 2012)

Everyone who knows me knows I loved this car and thought of the owner as a friend. Keith and I spent countless unbilled hours on this car and gave huge discounts where we could because that is who we are.

I don't think there is anything I can say that would help here. He has expressed his frustration with my personal limited knowledge of cars. A fact that I have never hidden from people. I advised him to emailed Keith for further questions and to my knowledge he didn't.
I would help in any way I could if he wanted. I thought he knew this.
And while I do not by any means want to down play what he is going through right now, but it is a 550whp Subaru that was raced down the track knowing it was having oil pressure issues?
I was completely unaware of these issues ( and maybe the information I got was wrong idk) when I invited him (and even got some of his gas paid for) to come to Vegas to race with us.
We drove all through the night with no sleep to get to Vegas on Saturday to meet him to testing but he was unable to make it. I had hoped he would be there so Keith could address any issues he was having. But instead Keith tried to address a few issues the day of the race but felt he did not have enough time or space to test that day.
Questions that I have are... We're there oil pressure issues before racing in Vegas? Was there any gold in the oil before Vegas? Had the car seen over 30psi before Vegas? Or were the no issues until it went down the track? (Not blaming the track just trying to figure out what's going on)
Jeramy- I'm a little confused on the dyno day trip after Vegas... Got home and saw gold in the oil and... What changed the oil after that? Or no?
Then you drove down to a dyno day? I'm confused on what happened next? You did put it on the dyno or no? I know you left the car there because you thought they were going to work on it but when you picked it up you trailered or drove home? Did you change the oil?


True it is not my policy to respond here because even if I have the best of intentions I'm sure my words will be twisted into something that will only make it worse and that is not what I want.
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So mary is correct the car was tuned to 27psi and then backed down due to not enough pump, from wat i know from keith. It never saw past 25psi with me until vegas. It was detuned and i think the elevation change brought the pressure down.
so for the vegas event ( and only time i really went wot through all gears ).
I did three runs like she said because i missed tnt the day before. First run i didnt know was a protree ( newb shoulda done a recon ). Terrible launch. finally built boost ran a 12.4 @ i believe was 23lbs.
Asked keith wat was up, he said elevation etc etc. i agreed. turned boost up. He said tune was done with enough room for error and it was safe. cool do it!
second run. great r/t bogged the crap out of her ( new nt05's 275 width im not used to ) and didnt realize i needed to build boost longer with the l/c to get the launch i needed. ran the 1/4 with about the same boost if not a 1lbs higher. ran slower time
checked oil now and it was low. maybe a 1/2 qt?
turned boost up as last adjustment had no effect. verified with keith. got the ok. cool do it!
3rd run. great r/t. great launch. thought i spun tire. keith thinks i hit fuel cut. i hit over 30lbs. my defi goes to 2bar and it was pegged. drove back from the track to hotel, noticed it was acting weird, oil press jumpy. thought hot oil? i monitored. oil level full. everything seemed healthy enough.
Got her home parked her and changed oil. tons of gold shimmer. test drive showed no ill effect.
i was scheduled already for a dyno day 2 hrs away. reasons were for fine boost adjustments with other monitoring tools in a controlled atmosphere.
on the way there i noticed oil pressure drop. like oh **** where it go!
stopped to get snacks and check. idle oil press was at 23psi? and on rev would not go more than 30psi ( i believe). at this point I am closer to the shop than home, so I chose to go to the shop where there is better tools.
i actually strapped it to the dyno. I made it clear of pending problems. As soon as the throttle was touched and gauges read there were problems I stopped and took her off the dyno. It was on till maybe 3500 rpm not even at wot.
Went to another shop more Subaru friendly and hooked up analogs. Verified 23psi-not just a bad defi gauge.
Drained oil. Now this is a week later? With maybe 200 miles since that last change, shimmer by the handful.

Keith and Mary told me to watch the vid of will and I racing. "Look for a poof of smoke, that is fuel cut." I saw no poof. Mary post video for another opinion?

The turbo has play. Almost touching the housing. i had the filter off shortly before this fiasco and it had no noticeable play. I had just put pictures up of the turbo when i did this also, so thats kinda proof i had just checked.

about all the previous mishaps ie axles etc. I didnt say anything to AWD because why would i? they screwed it all up from the get go. They are not helping now, why would they for that stuff?

They did try to send me to English Racing. Mary was cool about that. She always is trying to diffuse things. ER said they would help but obviously could not garuntee anything as problem is unknown.

HERE IS THE DEAL. I get it. I am not a baller anymore. I cannot front the money to take the motor apart so i can see what happend. AWD is not going to pay because they do not know if it is their fault or not.

I did notice it loosing power over the last month. I thought it was me getting used to it. I have a ethanol content analyzer-car never saw less than e74 which keith said was totaly fine.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:45 PM   #3977
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Also, pretty sure nothing is wrong with the turbo. Keith felt the turbo when we were in Vegas and thought he felt shaft play. But when we got home he felt the exact same turbo (we have one here that is brand new never been on a car) and it felt the same.
But if the turbo was messed up I would have no issues getting it warrantied for him (it has a 1 year warranty on it but that warranty will expire this month I do believe)
Felt the turbo? Do you guys not own a dial indicator? Prolly should learn how to properly diagnose a turbo before you start saying you don't think there is a problem with it.

You can't feel for something that has a specification of a couple .001".
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:59 PM   #3978
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We were at the race track in Las Vegas. Yes we have many indicators but no we didn't have any with us at that very moment.
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:10 PM   #3979
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We were at the race track in Las Vegas. Yes we have many indicators but no we didn't have any with us at that very moment.
That's understandable, dial indicators dont exactly travel well. Prolly shouldn't use it as an argument for whether the turbo is good or not though.

I'm sure it was properly measured at some point.
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Old 06-26-2013, 09:53 PM   #3980
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edited last post with response.
The issue is not going to get resolved. even if it did i would still post all this up the same. a review is a review. Doesnt matter how the fix or not fix a mistake. I told everyone it would tell the story good or bad.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:02 PM   #3981
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:09 PM   #3982
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It got towed from shop to home after dyno day btw. The reason I bought a cummins to go to Vegas lol.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:14 PM   #3983
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I vouch for AWDTUNING 100%. Since day one of working with them, they have been nothing but knowledgeable and professional. As a mechanical and very knowledgeable Subaru owner/builder myself, I do a lot of business with them and have never had a problem with any of their motors. I have installed three this year! I run the stage three block in my 2005 sti and HAVEN'T used a drop of oil since I installed it 5 months ago. Call them for the best customer service and the fastest shipping! They're the only place you can call at 8 or 9pm and they'll help you out all they can! TK AUTO WORKS
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:18 PM   #3984
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That's kinda weird as people are always posting on the fb page asking someone to answer the phone. Also 5 months isn't anything, and I was saying the same as you. Until it all went bad. Awoodsti and three others ( don't remember the names) all said just wait till 10k miles. They were right.
And I didn't use a drop either till this recently. Vouch all u want. This happens. It's happened before. More than a few times. And in my eyes, 1 time is too many when your a shop claiming it as a profession.
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What are you waiting on me to respond to?

I said what I needed to say and I asked what I wanted to know.
There are no hard feelings over here. Jeramy knows that our offer to help is still on the table. I have my opinions on what I would do if it were my car but that's just me.
If we can help we will help. If we can't help we wish him the best.
This is not a popcorn situation in my opinion.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:17 AM   #3986
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The offer is to send my car to Texas. Ie for me to spend 1000 shipping ea way. And then I would still have to pay parts on top of that. That's an offer u know doesn't make sense. Why not split the bill w English? Even though most shops I have talked to since say they would so it free. Kinda like a reputation thing / pride.

Whatever. Your right there's no hard feelings. I am just not going to hide all the things I know about everything (and I know a decent amount old and new). In the end it probably won't matter because you will still get customers.....

Good luck AWD. Been a unpleasant road.
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Old 06-29-2013, 03:25 PM   #3987
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Not taking sides here or anything but how long is a 600hp motor supposed to last in a car that is being raced? I have had several turbo charged "built" import motors that I would have killed to see 10k miles out of. With that being said yes keith has tuned my car a few times before and Will has helped me with info and racing tips. I do not consider myself a loyal customer but more of an on the fence kinda guy. I really like Ams and the work they do but I would not expect them to pay shipping for my car to go back to them for warrantee or any other work for that matter. I live a 1000 miles from ams and that does effect my decision on who will build my motor. I understand and have the upmost respect that you are in the Army and would like to thank you for your service to this country but you knew signing up for the armed forces you would be moved all over. Awd is growing and has had bumps in the road just like everybody in this business. I really think you should reconsider your position and give Awd the chance to make this right.
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Old 06-29-2013, 03:36 PM   #3988
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Excuse my verbage/grammar. iphone post
I barely drove the car and only time it was faxed like that was he three 1/4 mile runs. And it wasn't 600. It was closer to 5z. And ofcourse they are not going to pay to ship it back, done expect them to. I already said he blame cannot be pointed there wat till it gets taken apart. But the three shops I have talked to all say it was the build. One fuel cut incident could do it but mostly likely wouldn't. 10000miles is not much man. There are 600+ cars with three times the mileage and beat on way more.
I appreciate the thnx for my service. No biggy. Honestly though its not about me, wat I have done, or wat I deserve besides what I paid for.
Forget a out the build for a second. Lets talk about all the parts I am still missing. Or the fact that I would've received the car with a sub par tune u too I had to fly to Texas to drive it(thank god I did) and ask to fix the tune. I don't car how large the build is. 30k$ deserves a good tune and I should t have to ask.
I don't know wat the right answer is but I haven't heard from them since the lame attempt of making me pay another shop to fix and masking it as a book up. Keep the hook up all together and fix the damn thing.
Go read the whole review. It is t JUST on the car, but my experience aswell. And like I said, there is more but I'm saving the rest so I can spread out my wrath. Probably won matter but it makes me feel better

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Old 06-29-2013, 03:39 PM   #3989
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The offer is to send my car to Texas. Ie for me to spend 1000 shipping ea way. And then I would still have to pay parts on top of that. That's an offer u know doesn't make sense. Why not split the bill w English? Even though most shops I have talked to since say they would so it free. Kinda like a reputation thing / pride.

Whatever. Your right there's no hard feelings. I am just not going to hide all the things I know about everything (and I know a decent amount old and new). In the end it probably won't matter because you will still get customers.....

Good luck AWD. Been a unpleasant road.
For what it's worth....if you send the car back to them, they will make it right. I know it sucks to pay for the shipping, trust me I went through the sane dilemma. If they tell you that they will honor the work, then they will.
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Wow 30k dollars. I thought I was on the Gtr forum for a second. You wrapped 30k in your motor build? Sounds like it should have been a sick setup! When are you going to have your motor torn down? It sounds like a learning experience for everybody on this board no matter if its a build issue, mileage issue, driving style issue, or just a flat out act of God. Please let us know what happened and please don't rely on the " 3 shops" opinions before the motor is even torn down. I called 4 of the most respected shops in this industry and 4 out of 4 were wrong about my latest motor problems. I have turned a few wrenches in my life and the Subaru motor is by far the most difficult to build and tune. Good luck to you and our thoughts will be with all of the armed forces as they work so hard to protect our freedoms that make it possible to even have these conversations.
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For what it's worth....if you send the car back to them, they will make it right. I know it sucks to pay for the shipping, trust me I went through the sane dilemma. If they tell you that they will honor the work, then they will.
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Wow 30k dollars. I thought I was on the Gtr forum for a second. You wrapped 30k in your motor build? Sounds like it should have been a sick setup! When are you going to have your motor torn down? It sounds like a learning experience for everybody on this board no matter if its a build issue, mileage issue, driving style issue, or just a flat out act of God. Please let us know what happened and please don't rely on the " 3 shops" opinions before the motor is even torn down. I called 4 of the most respected shops in this industry and 4 out of 4 were wrong about my latest motor problems. I have turned a few wrenches in my life and the Subaru motor is by far the most difficult to build and tune. Good luck to you and our thoughts will be with all of the armed forces as they work so hard to protect our freedoms that make it possible to even have these conversations.

Both of these posts are very good words of thought...I too had issues with AWDTuning in the past, but I will say that both of these posts are accurate.
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Wow 30k dollars. I thought I was on the Gtr forum for a second. You wrapped 30k in your motor build? Sounds like it should have been a sick setup! When are you going to have your motor torn down? It sounds like a learning experience for everybody on this board no matter if its a build issue, mileage issue, driving style issue, or just a flat out act of God. Please let us know what happened and please don't rely on the " 3 shops" opinions before the motor is even torn down. I called 4 of the most respected shops in this industry and 4 out of 4 were wrong about my latest motor problems. I have turned a few wrenches in my life and the Subaru motor is by far the most difficult to build and tune. Good luck to you and our thoughts will be with all of the armed forces as they work so hard to protect our freedoms that make it possible to even have these conversations.
I agree with everything in this post except the part about the Subaru engine being the most difficult to build and tune. It's just an engine. Not sure why people seem to think that the subaru motor is some sort of magical unicorn that's just so hard to deal with. It's not. Being a boxer, it has it's quirks (just like the 911 and the Beetle), but it's still just a motor.

After spending $30,000 on any build, it should be perfect.

I do completely agree however that you shouldn't trust ANYONE'S opinion till the motor is torn down and you have some difinitive idea of what actually happened.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:12 PM   #3993
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Thats the reason why i have not said said whos fault it is, But just said what happened. being that i never even got the clearances from these guys who knows if they even check them, and i did ask for them. They tell me i dont need them. Really?

Also PLEASE remember this is a review not just on the car that is sitting in my garage broke, but of the whole experience. Example: all my missing parts ebcs, coil wrenches, my radiator, etc
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Had a great time out at MSR Houston this weekend for Power Cruise #4. We are working on video from this weekend but into then here is a video that Seth put together for us.
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This is such an awesome shop! I am truly blessed to be apart of AWDTuning!
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Figured I'd bring this back, had a stage 2 motor built and installed as well as a DP by awd. Car is running great so far. Crew was very knowledgeable and responsive to my questions. Plan on going back everytime to Awdtuning
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Anyone get a built motor from AWD in the last year? I am about to have them put in a built AWD stage 2.5 block and want to see how the have held up.
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