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Old 05-15-2008, 11:08 AM   #51
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called sprecher's office
lady answered and without me saying a word said:
"let me guess, speeding, following too close, and lane change, correct?"
orly? when i called just now girl said "David Spercher and assoiciates". i guess then been reading this thread.
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Old 05-15-2008, 11:36 AM   #52
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And how close is too close anyway? I understand what tailgating is, but what is too close?
It isn't tailgating, it is drafting to save gas.
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Old 05-15-2008, 11:40 AM   #53
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So you cannot change lanes anymore? And how close is too close anyway? I understand what tailgating is, but what is too close?

I'm assuming they (cops) have that up their sleeve since it's more of a suggestive variable...

Much suck Steve....BUT it's good that your not the only one...I'm sure Sprec is working on it.
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Old 05-15-2008, 01:10 PM   #54
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I'll make sure to do 50 mph, use my blinker even while in one lane, and follow at bus lengths if I get on 59.

That sucks
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Old 05-15-2008, 01:39 PM   #55
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When I went to Houston, I assume H-Town is Houston, EVERYONE THERE WAS SUCH A BAD DRIVER, it was like constant rush hour, noone letting anyone in and everyone riding eachothers ass, people were either speeding or crawling, no matter what, and noone letting anyone over, its the most aggressive driving I have experienced in heavy traffic ever...and there was no need for any of it, if everyone there drove sensibly there, there wouldn't be a need for this sting op stuff they are doing.
Odd, I find the same thing everytime I drove through/from/around DFW.
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Old 05-15-2008, 01:42 PM   #56
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Odd, I find the same thing everytime I drove through/from/around DFW.
Baton Rouge traffic is about as bad as ours in rush hour times. At least the last time I was there it was. Before/After rush hours it's typical lovely Louisiana traffic.
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:05 PM   #57
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the only thing I see regularly is the speed trap on N Shepherd just N of I-10 after the hill and the same group on the north feeder at 610/Shepherd hiding right before the light

they use radar guns
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:44 PM   #58
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I'm from Texas.

Here, we are innocent until proven guilty, regardless of wealth, etc.
Texas is part of the US, as such, guilty until proven innocent. Even then, if the charges/situation were made public, you will be looked upon as guilty regardless of the charges being dropped.


Get accused of being a child molester, be proven 100% beyond shadow of a doubt that you didnt do it, then see how people react when you are near their kids.

Or accused of robbery or a drug addiction. Get called a drug addict, prove you have never done drugs, and people will STILL look at you crazy every time you take an advil for a headache
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:47 PM   #59
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Texas is part of the US
orly?

since when?

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Old 05-15-2008, 02:50 PM   #60
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since when?


shut it you!

You know what I meant
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:25 PM   #61
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I would have gone insane.
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:27 PM   #62
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I would have gone insane.
label me insane after this operation.
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so no one has encountered 'spotter vehicles' in anyone's ticket stories?
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:42 PM   #63
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On the way to and from Dallas last weekend I noticed several state troopers who were parked on bridges above the highway and were radaring us on the highway....no way to catch us from up there...

...assuming they were spotters and had patrol cars along the highway...didn't notice the 'closer' cars though.
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:47 PM   #64
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I dunno for sure, but IMHO the spotter would have to show up to court, or at least sign an affadavit or something attesting to the offenses. I don't think it matters if a witness is an officer or not: you get the opportunity to counter their testimony.

Example: I was pulled over several years ago and told someone had reported me driving like an asshat on the beltway (can you imagine? Really, I wasn't, but whatever). After a few minutes on the radio the officer said, "well, we couldn't get the witness back on the phone" gave me a short lecture, then sent me on my way.
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:48 PM   #65
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On the way to and from Dallas last weekend I noticed several state troopers who were parked on bridges above the highway and were radaring us on the highway....no way to catch us from up there...

...assuming they were spotters and had patrol cars along the highway...didn't notice the 'closer' cars though.
Wish me luck going all the way from Sherman to Katy tomorow

I think i'll just skip Huntsville/45 and take 75 from Madisonville back to Hempstead then Katy
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:23 PM   #66
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I dunno for sure, but IMHO the spotter would have to show up to court, or at least sign an affadavit or something attesting to the offenses. I don't think it matters if a witness is an officer or not: you get the opportunity to counter their testimony.

Example: I was pulled over several years ago and told someone had reported me driving like an asshat on the beltway (can you imagine? Really, I wasn't, but whatever). After a few minutes on the radio the officer said, "well, we couldn't get the witness back on the phone" gave me a short lecture, then sent me on my way.
good info
i agree.
i will try to get some more info re: this 'spotter b.s." as it relates to court proceedings
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:37 PM   #67
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good info
i agree.
i will try to get some more info re: this 'spotter b.s." as it relates to court proceedings
On 45 heading up to Dallas once, I got pulled over by a State Trooper who told me that the spotter didn't get a good read on my speed, but that I was definitely speeding. When I told him I saw no spotter, he said it was a plain-clothes trooper in an unmarked car that I passed.

So I got a written warning. Great....
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:40 PM   #68
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on similiar note
just finished lunch, ate at the bar.
only one stool was open and guess who was occuping the 3 seats to the rght?
3 cops
thinking: "take it easy steven, they cant write you a ticket bc your not in your car."
"maybe you could ask them about your situation."
so i started eves-dropping
i was appalled by there work conversation
"i much rather have a shotgun than the taser......its more imtimidating to those f**ks"
"at least i could unload the gun into them, and then duck for cover."
"i would feel better when we all get body armor"
"f**** those as*****s, we are at lunch, they are all alone out there."
"maybe i would go if they gave me some overtime."
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no big deal rght? they are just bitching about work.
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wait till one of you guys gets pulled over by a over-worked/underpaid/a-hole/thinks its a "war" on common people/butthead.

i know its a tough job, dealing with drunks/killers/bangers and such, but when getting pulled over during rushhour traffic and using their bitterness to fabricate and lie about a person's well being(ie $800 and driving record) is just plain unfair.
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:44 PM   #69
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We got pulled over one time by a state trooper because some @$$ called us in for passing on the wrong side of the road. The state trooper said that he could not give us a ticket because he didn't witness it. I called my uncle who is an attorney and he said that the witness HAS to show up in court along with the officer that pulled you over. He said the problem is that normally you aren't able to get both of the officers to show up at once, and then most of the cases are dropped. I called him yesterday and asked about what you are experiencing.. I was wondering how the two sets of tickets would hold up in court, and he said that you would have to have all three officers show up in court, and even then they should dismiss the second set, and if you hire an attorney he would be able to fight the following too close and possibly bring down the fine for the others. From experience, he suggested that you plead not guilty, let them set a court date and then 2 days before your court date, reschedule. He got my sister off for some pretty heavy MIP tickets simply by rescheduling over and over. The cops finally gave up and never showed up.. good luck..
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We got pulled over one time by a state trooper because some @$$ called us in for passing on the wrong side of the road. The state trooper said that he could not give us a ticket because he didn't witness it. I called my uncle who is an attorney and he said that the witness HAS to show up in court along with the officer that pulled you over. He said the problem is that normally you aren't able to get both of the officers to show up at once, and then most of the cases are dropped. I called him yesterday and asked about what you are experiencing.. I was wondering how the two sets of tickets would hold up in court, and he said that you would have to have all three officers show up in court, and even then they should dismiss the second set, and if you hire an attorney he would be able to fight the following too close and possibly bring down the fine for the others. From experience, he suggested that you plead not guilty, let them set a court date and then 2 days before your court date, reschedule. He got my sister off for some pretty heavy MIP tickets simply by rescheduling over and over. The cops finally gave up and never showed up.. good luck..
This is actually how my brother got my first PI dropped. Granted, I was sleeping in my backyard, so therefore wasn't guilty in the first case, but regardless, it's a good tactic. The DA's office rescheduled the first time, and then my brother did because the new date conflicted with our "witness," so it got rescheduled again.

Cop didn't show up for the last date because the DA didn't call him with the new schedule, so the judge got pissed off at the DA's office because it had been a year since my "offense" and they couldn't even get a witness in the court room, much less have an ADA who knew anything about the case. So it was thrown out.

It's a cheap ploy, but it works. Lawyer up and you should be good to go on these bogus "spotter" tickets.
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:59 PM   #71
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I dunno if sprecher charges you extra for a jury trial but it sounds like there is enough to establish doubt that the jury will let you off if it goes there
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I called my uncle who is an attorney and he said that the witness HAS to show up in court along with the officer that pulled you over.
exactly what i have been saying
thanks grim, especially for your concern. i really appreciate it!

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I dunno if sprecher charges you extra for a jury trial but it sounds like there is enough to establish doubt that the jury will let you off if it goes there
sprecher has never let me (or gilly for tht matter) down b4
bet we have 100 violations over 20yrs between us both
this 6 ticket crap is a virtual mt everest, but lets see what happens.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:25 PM   #73
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Odd, I find the same thing everytime I drove through/from/around DFW.

No you are completely right, Dallas is just as bad w/ traffic, I live more in the Fort Worth area where its not as bad though, I just say DFW cause it sounds cooler, and its more of a generlization.
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^^ ppl are generally better off associating themselves with Fort Worth anyway
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:34 PM   #75
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^^ ppl are generally better off associating themselves with Fort Worth anyway
I agree, and I live in the exact center of Dallas.
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