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Old 07-03-2018, 08:37 AM   #26
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This is now a 1st vs 2nd gear in garage ramp thread. Please post all 1st vs 2nd gear garage ramp opinions here.

BUT WAIT.... anyone else go up in 5th gear like me?
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Old 07-03-2018, 08:58 AM   #27
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Really? Use the gear that's best suited for the task, not a "Well this is what it ought to be" BS answer.

I went from an 08 WRX to a '13 STI and regretted the decision despite the massive increase in fun. Cost was simply far too prohibitive. The current STIs still have the SAME engine and tune, just with a little different suspension and steering with improved interior. I went underwater on the trade-in to get out of the STI and into a BRZ. I didn't regret that decision. The improvement in gas mileage and improvement in handling was worth it despite the 100hp drop in power.

After having test driven both current STIs and WRXs, my opinion is that the WRX is by far the better bang for the buck for a daily driver (if you do lots more track driving, though, the STI is probably the better choice). The difference between the two used to be a vast chasm with the STI being the superior vehicle in any and all respects. That's just not true anymore. It might be once again when they go with something like a FA24 DIT in it, but not with an EJ motor in the STI and the FA20DIT in the WRX.

STI is more of a racecar, or for someone who wants to both drive a racecar on the track and drive it to the track. The WRX is more the sports car for someone who wants to occassionally track and more regularly daily commute.

Shifter issues can be cleared up with mods that cost far less when totaled up than a CBE.

However, if the OP is happy with his purchase at the end of the day, that's really all that matters. I just don't buy his reasoning except that he likes the STI better. No need to crap on the WRX with BS just to justify it, though.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:11 AM   #28
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This is now a 1st vs 2nd gear in garage ramp thread. Please post all 1st vs 2nd gear garage ramp opinions here.

BUT WAIT.... anyone else go up in 5th gear like me?
I scream through garages in 1st at 5500 rpm's if need be.
I won't even pull out in first for fear of lugging. I clutch dump from 4000 rpm's minimum from every stop.
That's how you take care of these engines and prevent lugging.
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:35 PM   #29
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Am I allowed to use the reverse to get in the garage?
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:43 PM   #30
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Really? Use the gear that's best suited for the task, not a "Well this is what it ought to be" BS answer.

I went from an 08 WRX to a '13 STI and regretted the decision despite the massive increase in fun. Cost was simply far too prohibitive. The current STIs still have the SAME engine and tune, just with a little different suspension and steering with improved interior. I went underwater on the trade-in to get out of the STI and into a BRZ. I didn't regret that decision. The improvement in gas mileage and improvement in handling was worth it despite the 100hp drop in power.

After having test driven both current STIs and WRXs, my opinion is that the WRX is by far the better bang for the buck for a daily driver (if you do lots more track driving, though, the STI is probably the better choice). The difference between the two used to be a vast chasm with the STI being the superior vehicle in any and all respects. That's just not true anymore. It might be once again when they go with something like a FA24 DIT in it, but not with an EJ motor in the STI and the FA20DIT in the WRX.

STI is more of a racecar, or for someone who wants to both drive a racecar on the track and drive it to the track. The WRX is more the sports car for someone who wants to occassionally track and more regularly daily commute.

Shifter issues can be cleared up with mods that cost far less when totaled up than a CBE.

However, if the OP is happy with his purchase at the end of the day, that's really all that matters. I just don't buy his reasoning except that he likes the STI better. No need to crap on the WRX with BS just to justify it, though.
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I tested drive my friend's 2015 STi.
I had feel it like a race car. Steering was awesome with a stiffer suspension.
When I get back in my 2016 WRX, it was more like a comfortable sporty sedan.
I can't say with the new refine suspension of 2018 STi
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Old 07-03-2018, 01:48 PM   #31
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Coming from a BRZ, which had a fairly stiff ride, and bang-on steering (LOVE that electric 13:1 rack), the new WRX is just as good, if different.

The WRX rack isn't the old 16:1, but 14.3:1, so while it's not as tight as the BRZ or STI (new STI has the same ratio as the BRZ, but iirc it's still hydraulic), it's darn close.

Also, while the ride is softer, it still feels nimble as hell.
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Coming from a BRZ, which had a fairly stiff ride, and bang-on steering (LOVE that electric 13:1 rack), the new WRX is just as good, if different.

The WRX rack isn't the old 16:1, but 14.3:1, so while it's not as tight as the BRZ or STI (new STI has the same ratio as the BRZ, but iirc it's still hydraulic), it's darn close.

Also, while the ride is softer, it still feels nimble as hell.
Exactly!
I look forward to see if my 2018 (waiting me at the dealer ) will be better in that case with his supposed revised suspension.
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Old 07-03-2018, 02:22 PM   #33
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I'm talking about the current gen WRX in general. Your profile says you have a 2016. There's not going to be much if any difference between '15 & '16 WRXs and the '18s.
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Old 07-03-2018, 04:23 PM   #34
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What do you think about the steering? I test drove an '18 STi the other week and actually came away preferring the EPS in the WRX, which I felt was sharper and less vague. Surprised me because all I ever hear or read is people crapping on EPS and raving about hydraulic.
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I'm talking about the current gen WRX in general. Your profile says you have a 2016. There's not going to be much if any difference between '15 & '16 WRXs and the '18s.
I wish I am going to prefer my '18 more than my '16
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:26 PM   #36
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I scream through garages in 1st at 5500 rpm's if need be.
I won't even pull out in first for fear of lugging. I clutch dump from 4000 rpm's minimum from every stop.
That's how you take care of these engines and prevent lugging.
According to REV1.1 of the owners manual, you are actually suppose to leave it in neutral and push it up the ramp.
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:26 PM   #37
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I talked to a local tuning shop, and he said that you should NOT use 2nd gear when the car is moving slowly, like in parking garages. Use 1st gear, unlike in normal cars. Lugging is harmful to these engines.
Mashing the gas pedal at an inappropriate (low) rpm is the problem. Not simply driving slowly at a low rpm. The problem comes when you suddenly need to accelerate quickly while you're at a very low rpm. THAT is bad for the STI's engine. If you know you'll be driving slowly and at a steady state, doing so at a low rpm is not going to harm the engine.
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:12 PM   #38
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FWIW, I think the reviews that say you should buy one over the other are wrong in general, because they make underlying assumptions that just don't apply to everyone. I drove both the WRX and STI on several occasions for an extensive period before buying, and my impression was that the two cars were so different that what suits who best really depends on the individual. I opted for the STI, even though I felt back then and still feel today that it is less practical than the WRX-I personally liked the steering, brake, and clutch feel more, I am fine with the running costs and care implications, I like the silly wing that doubles as a table, plus as I do not plan to mod it the slightly higher power engine, brake upgrades, and suspension gives me a little more fun to be had. I certainly don't regret it as I love the car for it's good, I absolutely love how difficult of a car it is to drive extremely well (ADHD kid here who doesn't like repetition), and I accept it for its faults...but I absolutely could see why someone would choose one over the other or vice versa. I did notice that different individual specimens seemed to rattle more so or less so than others.

I will say that if you have ADHD, the STI is a pretty solid pick.
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I test drove both a 2018 STI and a 2018 WRX and was in a position to get whichever appealed more to me, didn't matter the cost. After I drove the sti I hopped into a wrx and that low-end torque was drastically better. The way the engine felt was way more fun for 99% of my driving situations than the sti felt as you have to wring the sti engine out to get the power out of it. It reminded me of a naturally aspirated motor the way it had its torque curve climb. There was none of that awesome turbo shove you'd expect. I floored it in second and third and it just felt a bit lazy. It sounded good and strong but didn't really have any power until 4-5k rpm. And, of course, the price difference cannot be argued with between the two cars. The interior (besides the seats) is nearly identical besides a few bits that I'd end up replacing/wrapping anyway.

Now, I will be honest and admit that I absolutely hated the transmission in the wrx on my very first drive home. It was equipped with an sti short shifter (total crap) which was actually notchier than a regular one. I then spent every day of the week researching the ***** out of this platform to see what would remedy the gravely, notchy, and sloppy feel. I just about gave up on it. But I did read a lot of the same complaints over and over on how bad it is. I saw a few people figured out a few things to make it better. Now I can say it's totally amazing and exactly how I wished it were from the start. The mods I've done are the following and they are a must to get:

- Boomba short shifter lever and boomba heavy shift plate (most drastic difference, total wow factor with either, makes shifts almost click into place solidly)
- Heavy shift knob (has to be 600+ grams)
- shift stopper (makes shifting feel locked in and no more searching for the right gear gate)
- shift bushing (not sure if this did anything but why not...)
- solid tranny mount (added an awesome sti-like rumble to the cabin and tightened things slightly but not much, but a bit of whine and some chatter though...)

Now the shifts are nice and direct, no more of that gravel feel and fighting to get it into first and third. I can say it was ridiculously bad before. Once each mod went in I liked it more and more. Now you would not force me to drive a stock wrx, no thanks. I only wish more people learned about these mods and not suffer with the crappy gearbox any longer.

WRX is and has always been all about the aftermarket parts. That's why people choose it over STI. Your monthly payment is lower. Your insurance is cheaper. Overall, the cars look 99% identical starting from 2015. If the wrx is too soft for some people (myself included), then stiffen it with harder bushings, proper coilovers, rear sway bar, etc. It's a canvas to paint on as you desire. It just starts off mellow, that's all... Comparing a stock wrx vs a stock sti is completely retarded as the sti has everything stiffened and and the wrx is relaxed and geared towards a broader audience who may not want a giant wing, big brakes, recaro seats, tougher (stronger) gearbox, etc. They just want the looks of one and a sporty feel. Once you mod a wrx the argument becomes irrelevant which one handles better or has more power. But the low-end torque cannot be denied in the wrx, especially once you go stage 2 and open it up. Not much you can do to an sti (on a budget) to pick up pace as quickly as that which makes it perfect for spirited canyon driving, track, etc where it pulls you out of corners like a bat out of hell. Not saying an sti wouldn't, just saying it does not have as strong of a pull down-low and it shows clearly. Also, you can get a similar rumble as the sti if you get an invidia R400 exhaust (or similar) coupled with a catted/catless jpipe, and a solid tranny mount. I have those 3 now and from the inside of the car it sounds very close. It sounds awesome. I am not biased towards either car as I just go with what suits me best. Initially, I really wanted an sti because of its awesome lime brakes (2018 only), big wing, and just that placebo effect of it being an sti and superior, etc. But after my extensive drive (had a buddy who worked at subaru) I kept being underwhelmed. My previous car was an F80 M3 so I went in expecting a bit more than your average driver, but the wrx just appealed to me more, primarily its engine.

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Old 07-05-2018, 08:13 AM   #40
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Define "notchy" vs. "short and crisp". When I had my BRZ, I went to a light weight shifter knob on the kartboy shifter lever, and that was perfect, whereas a heavy knob just made it feel vague. With a light weight knob, I could feel when the selector went through the gate. Now, when I had the STI, I had the kartboy short lever and a heavy anarchy motive knob and that worked perfectly, but it's been 5 years since that car so all I can remember in terms of how it felt was the BRZ.

Thus, define "notchy". And is short and crisp something you now have and like, or is it something you got rid of in your mods b/c you don't like it?

Shifter feel is highly subjective, so what feels crappy to one person and needs to be modded out could be good for another. BTW, in test driving the stock '18 WRX, the stock lever and knob is too long and clicking into the gate can feel sloppy and vague from what I felt. I also thought there was NO short shifter lever for the new WRX aside from the STI short shifter.

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Mashing the gas pedal at an inappropriate (low) rpm is the problem. Not simply driving slowly at a low rpm. The problem comes when you suddenly need to accelerate quickly while you're at a very low rpm. THAT is bad for the STI's engine. If you know you'll be driving slowly and at a steady state, doing so at a low rpm is not going to harm the engine.
You're describing poor driving vs. cruising. Maximizing mpg while on the highway is done by steady speed at low rpm on a mostly level surface. You'll have to increase engine load, and thus downshift if you hit uphills though (something most CA drivers either are completely ignorant of willfully or not, or just don't give a crap, as they lug their crappy ecoboxes up hills without adjusting throttle angle and dropping gears to maintain speed, thus pissing off any actual drivers stuck behind them). If you have a sudden need for power in ANY car and you're currently at low RPMs while moving, you always have to downshift to the proper gear (one reason a big tach in the center of the cluster is SO nice to have in a car... are you listening SOA? Imitate the BRZ in your other sports cars!) first and then quickly but smoothly put the gas pedal to the floor. Just as with brakes, don't mash! The only pedal that should ever be mashed is the clutch, and that's b/c you always want to immediately disengage. Brakes and gas should always be smooth on the input regardless of how fast you do it.

This is another reason to hate on ATs: you get lazy about shifting. True, they're a real nice thing to have when stuck in stop & go commuter traffic, but when you are on the highway cruising or hitting the roads with hills, if you want to maintain way you have to already be instinctively used to shifting your own gears, and an AT even with manual mode means you've probably gotten a little lazy and let the transmission ECU do all that for you. MT means you probably are at the point you don't even remember making your shifts when you're commuting. So, when you need to downshift, you're used to it.

Oh, and I'm assuming one knows how to rev match when downshifting for this to work smoothly.

TL;DR: lots of complaints about lack of power from the engine are from people who either are used to bigger power cars but who still know how to drive, or folks who still don't know why enthusiasts still prefer to row their own.

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Old 07-05-2018, 08:42 AM   #41
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i only approve because you traded for a LBP
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[quote=My previous car was an F80 M3 so I went in expecting a bit more than your average driver, but the wrx just appealed to me more, primarily its engine.[/QUOTE]

After reading the last sentence, I was like wait this sounds familiar I feel like I know this dude. Looked at the name and boom I sub'd to your channel. Great content on your channel. Love the wrx but that M3 was sick.
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I traded my 19 WRX for a 19 STI. Great decision. STI, as should be expected, feels like a substantially higher end car. Yes the gas mileage sucks by comparison. But it is a lot funner and nicer to drive. LSDs in both axles count for a lot. Steering, shifting, clutch action, and throttle mapping all better.

Now my observation on the STI suspension is that it is actually very soft. When brand new it felt a bit rough on the bumps, but I think that was due to stiction in the shocks or something. Mine has about 3,000 miles on it now and after breaking in, I think the suspension could hardly be considered stiff or harsh by any kind of sporty car standard.

I am quite happy with my decision to trade.
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Did they change the spring and damp rates on the 19? My 16 STI is petty stiff for stock suspension but for anyone that's driven sporty Euro cars, this is pretty standard.

I agree that it's not the STI's suspension being stiff, its more the WRX's suspension is soft and comfy. My WRX is prefect for daily driving.
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I talked to a local tuning shop, and he said that you should NOT use 2nd gear when the car is moving slowly, like in parking garages. Use 1st gear, unlike in normal cars. Lugging is harmful to these engines.
This literally made me laugh out loud. Tuner recommendation for low gears in a parking garage. I've heard it all now.
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If there are speed humps and going up a level on an incline I use 1st gear in parking structures as needed. Especially following someone going like 5mph..
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If there are speed humps and going up a level on an incline I use 1st gear in parking structures as needed. Especially following someone going like 5mph..
Exactly. No one needs tuner recommendations for gearing. Just don't lug your engine. You figure out how to not do that by watching your tach, not by listening to your tuner.

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I traded my 19 WRX for a 19 STI. Great decision. STI, as should be expected, feels like a substantially higher end car. Yes the gas mileage sucks by comparison. But it is a lot funner and nicer to drive. LSDs in both axles count for a lot. Steering, shifting, clutch action, and throttle mapping all better.

Now my observation on the STI suspension is that it is actually very soft. When brand new it felt a bit rough on the bumps, but I think that was due to stiction in the shocks or something. Mine has about 3,000 miles on it now and after breaking in, I think the suspension could hardly be considered stiff or harsh by any kind of sporty car standard.

I am quite happy with my decision to trade.
How badly did that cost you? You must have burned away a lot of cash doing that.
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Guys... you can't REALLY lug your engine in first, and hardly in second. Plus... when driving low speed in second, who ever puts the pedal to the floor? No one. Especially not in a grarge... It just doesn't happen. So driving in a parking lot or parking garage in second gear is perfectly fine, and normal.
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I talked to a local tuning shop, and he said that you should NOT use 2nd gear when the car is moving slowly, like in parking garages. Use 1st gear, unlike in normal cars. Lugging is harmful to these engines.
Lugging is harmful to these motors when you're going up a hill at 35 mph in 5th gear with the pedal to the floor. Not when you're going through a parking garage with just enough pedal to keep the car moving.
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sometimes i just let the idling engine move me in 1st gear.
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