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Old 07-03-2018, 06:48 AM   #1
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Fans of Subaru’s performance car line-up will need to wait at least 12 months for the Impreza-based WRX and STI models to be replaced – and longer again for an all-new BRZ.

Speaking at the international launch of the all-new Forester in Japan this week, Subaru director Colin Christie said that while rumours of a hybrid WRX STI are well established, launch timing is still a long way from being confirmed.

“Subaru has made is very clear that their focus moving forward is both SUVs and performance cars, and they’re continuing to work and develop that range,” stated Christie.

“I’m confident there will be a replacement for the WRX and STI moving forward. It’s not five to 10 years away, either, but it certainly won’t be here in the next 12 months.”

Subaru has revealed both the VIZIV Performance STI sedan (pictured) and VIZIV Tourer wagon concepts, though neither were powered by the performance-focussed petrol-electric hybrid driveline motoring.com.au understands is in the works.

“The Subaru Global Platform is designed to do everything,” Christie explained. “It will give us a performance range and an SUV range, and it will provide the perfect base from which to launch our range of hybrid, plug-in hybrid and battery-electric vehicles.”

It’s understood Subaru Australia will introduce a mild-hybrid version of its new Forester before the end of next year, with “another hybrid model” to follow in 2020.

Christie would not be drawn on whether the latter would be a long-awaited performance car replacement or another hybridised SUV, but did suggest it would be a model “familiar to the existing range”.

Subaru has said previously that it will focus on the electrification of its range, as part of a record Ұ134 billion research development spend during the last Japanese fiscal year.

In contrast Toyota, which owns a 16.9 per cent stake of Subaru, said it will spend Ұ1.05 trillion on alternative power R&D by March 2019, while Honda has pledged Ұ750 million in the same period.

As for Subaru’s other performance model – the budget BRZ coupe it co-developed and launched with Toyota back in 2012 – it seems a replacement is even further away.

The BRZ was initially expected to be replaced as early as this year, but Christie says there is no indication of when — or if — a new BRZ will appear.

“It’s been a terrific car for us and we’re selling the best volumes we have in a long time since the facelift and tS versions arrived — those changes mean it’s still a very relevant car today,” he said.

“But there are no plans in terms of when the next BRZ would come out… I just don’t know the answer as to what comes next for it.”

That contradicts a Japanese report in April that cited unnamed sources confirming a new co-developed 86/BRZ will emerge by 2021.

Toyota 86 chief engineer Tetsuya Tada told motoring.com.au in March: “We are thinking about the possibility of coming up with a new version of GT86, however, it’s not decided yet.”

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Meh. New article re-hashing the same ole news.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:13 AM   #3
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Meh. New article re-hashing the same ole news.
Exactly. It’s same old story but at least, it confirms that New SGP outback and legacy next year then WRX and possibly BRZ for following year.
Two more years to go......
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:14 PM   #4
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"wait at least 12 months for the Impreza-based WRX and STI models to be replaced"

Ya think?? The 2019 MY is just arriving....
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:47 PM   #5
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"wait at least 12 months for the Impreza-based WRX and STI models to be replaced"

Ya think?? The 2019 MY is just arriving....
It also quotes the Subaru director saying "it certainly won’t be here in the next 12 months.”

The 2015 WRX was shown in LA Autoshow in November 2013, ordering was available in February 2014 and the 1st examples on dealer lots in April 2014. If the SGP platform follows that timeline, 2020 isn't going to be the next gen SGP WRX.
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"wait at least 12 months for the Impreza-based WRX and STI models to be replaced"

Ya think?? The 2019 MY is just arriving....
yeah exactly. It looks like they're shuffling the rollouts a bit and putting the WRX/STI last with the outback still waiting an SGP jump. Of course it won't be out within the year... MY2019 is months off the traditional schedule already. I'm guessing MY2019 will extend fully into 2019.
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yeah exactly. It looks like they're shuffling the rollouts a bit and putting the WRX/STI last with the outback still waiting an SGP jump. Of course it won't be out within the year... MY2019 is months off the traditional schedule already. I'm guessing MY2019 will extend fully into 2019.
Sorry my friend, but MY2019 are not off the schedule by monthS... but if so maybe a few weeks.
The price of MY2018 appeared in the same period on the web site last year and when I ordered my 2016 (the first in the dealer), it appeared in the same period may-june on web site as well. Mine arrived at the same period that they are waiting their first 2019 this year.

My guess is we'll have the new refresh model (MY2021) in the first quarter of 2020. Almost 2 years.
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He may have been going off my 2015 introduction timeline, which has been almost always been earlier than regular model year changes.
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My plan was to trade in the GTI on one of these two before my 3 year warranty was up...

Now I'm not sure they will be out before then
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Exactly. It’s same old story but at least, it confirms that New SGP outback and legacy next year then WRX and possibly BRZ for following year.
Two more years to go......
There is no confirmation of that. The only thing he "confirmed" is we won't see anything in the next 12 months; but, we won't be waiting 5. That's a lot of time difference there.........
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My plan was to trade in the GTI on one of these two before my 3 year warranty was up...

Now I'm not sure they will be out before then
Why base a trade on the conclusion of a btb warranty? My dad, who purchased crappy $500 after crappy car while I was a kid now trades his cars in at the end of the powertrain warranty, which I think is wasteful; but even he wouldn’t consider trading a three year-old car!

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Sorry my friend, but MY2019 are not off the schedule by monthS... but if so maybe a few weeks.
The price of MY2018 appeared in the same period on the web site last year and when I ordered my 2016 (the first in the dealer), it appeared in the same period may-june on web site as well. Mine arrived at the same period that they are waiting their first 2019 this year.

My guess is we'll have the new refresh model (MY2021) in the first quarter of 2020. Almost 2 years.
No, I meant months. Not sure about earlier years, but orders for MY2017 opened up end of April 2016, first one was delivered beginning of May in BC up here in Canada. I remember clearly since I got my VIN the same time as the first delivery and I was not impressed lol. That’s 2 months and counting. Mine was sitting at the off-train lot first week of June 2016.

I do agree though... 2020, but who knows about MY, at the rate their pushing back, the MY could coincide with the actual year.

Either way, we have over a year wait.
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Why base a trade on the conclusion of a btb warranty? My dad, who purchased crappy $500 after crappy car while I was a kid now trades his cars in at the end of the powertrain warranty, which I think is wasteful; but even he wouldn’t consider trading a three year-old car!

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No, I'm not made of money, its a VW.
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Sounds to me like it’s more likely 24-36 months out, and it’s likely some form of hybrid which may mean good bye symmetrical AWD, and hello heavy drive system.
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No, I meant months. Not sure about earlier years, but orders for MY2017 opened up end of April 2016, first one was delivered beginning of May in BC up here in Canada. I remember clearly since I got my VIN the same time as the first delivery and I was not impressed lol. That’s 2 months and counting. Mine was sitting at the off-train lot first week of June 2016.

I do agree though... 2020, but who knows about MY, at the rate their pushing back, the MY could coincide with the actual year.

Either way, we have over a year wait.
2017 was the only year I didn't remember. State on what you said, it was earlier than '16 '18 and '19 by about 2 months so I understand that the MY2019 appears late for you.

I remember when I bought my 2000 2.5RS in September (2000). MY2001 was available as well but for only a very short time since the 2002 WRX hits the north American market early in 2001.
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Sounds to me like it’s more likely 24-36 months out, and it’s likely some form of hybrid which may mean good bye symmetrical AWD, and hello heavy drive system.
I think you’re right. Too many hints at “hybrid” in recent years. Sounds like they are going to milk the VA a while longer. Big surprise.
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Sounds to me like it’s more likely 24-36 months out, and it’s likely some form of hybrid which may mean good bye symmetrical AWD, and hello heavy drive system.
Yep. I always thought new SGP WRX will be MY2021 instead of MY2020 and it was subaru’s Original plan so it’s in line with the plan but very doubtful that Subaru will go hybrid with WRX/STI without increasing current prices.
More MPG might be very nice but a few thousands more for hybrid is big no-no.
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12 months from nowish is still next summer. The soonest anyone wound hope to see a new WRX/STI wound be in November for release the following summer.

I'm still betting on CY2021 for MY2022.
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Yep. I always thought new SGP WRX will be MY2021 instead of MY2020 and it was subaru’s Original plan so it’s in line with the plan but very doubtful that Subaru will go hybrid with WRX/STI without increasing current prices.
More MPG might be very nice but a few thousands more for hybrid is big no-no.
I think they will bring both. Hybrid and non hybrid. When the market desires to.
Read an article from Astralian importer the will bring Forester hybrid to some markets to.

So with new platform they can/ could impliment where needed.

https://www.motoring.com.au/new-suba...manual-113429/
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Well...I think they have officially lost me here.

I've been nursing my 2004 along for the last 3-4 years waiting on Subaru to do something different enough to make me buy a new one.

I have been telling myself come on, you can make it one more year to 2019 until the MY2020 release!

But nope...I just don't see me keeping my already 14 year old car another 2-3 years. My wife's already been bugging me to get something new for the last couple of years, I just haven't seen anything to make me pull the trigger.

With the pending tariffs, prices will rise, sales will drop, and Subaru will end up having to delay it further due to market conditions.
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My wife's already been bugging me to get something new for the last couple of years...
I think I found your problem...
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Well...I think they have officially lost me here.

I've been nursing my 2004 along for the last 3-4 years waiting on Subaru to do something different enough to make me buy a new one.

I have been telling myself come on, you can make it one more year to 2019 until the MY2020 release!

But nope...I just don't see me keeping my already 14 year old car another 2-3 years. My wife's already been bugging me to get something new for the last couple of years, I just haven't seen anything to make me pull the trigger.

With the pending tariffs, prices will rise, sales will drop, and Subaru will end up having to delay it further due to market conditions.
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I think I found your problem...
I drive an 06 wagon - my wife has been on me to get a new car for the increased safety, mainly better rear passenger safety (kids). My wife and kid(s) are more important to me than what I drive.
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Old 07-06-2018, 11:25 AM   #23
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Brand loyalties are a waste of time; the brand will never be loyal to you; develop a list of wants & needs and shop the market.
Exactly! My WRX will be at more than 90000miles next year and I really want to change it while I can sell it for a reasonable price., and I need more space. My orignal plan/hope was a new Forester XT on SGP but this will not happen. So now I'm looking for other brands vehicles and I'm comfortable with that.
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O well, they are launching 2018 STI RA-R at 19 july.
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Brand loyalties are a waste of time; the brand will never be loyal to you; develop a list of wants & needs and shop the market.
It's an easy trap to fall into though. The known enemy is easier to deal with than the unknown. When you've had one brand for a while, you start to learn the quirks that are common with the brand. You know what to expect. Shifting to another manufacturer brings a lot of uncertainty, and people are generally scared of uncertainty.

Every day I hop in my R, I'm thrilled that I gave Subaru the boot.

And now that I own the R, and have branched away from Subaru, I regret not shopping around when we bought the Outback. I was just dead-set that we were buying a Subaru.
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