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Old 01-17-2019, 01:20 PM   #26
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Not a moving violation, wont show up as a point.
But you get stuck w/ a $1000 fine.
If its non-correctable, wont matter if you're stock.
Is this accurate? I read somewhere that it would a point on your record.
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Old 01-17-2019, 01:24 PM   #27
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It should make sense, it’s not a moving violation.

I wish they passed this in AZ. This is a sensible way of approaching an ALREADY existing law which wasn’t being enforced. Let’s see if 1000$ changes people’s minds. I see nothing wrong for being ticketed for a modified (muffler delete or cat delete) or unreasonably loud exhaust. I don’t need to hear it just cuz you may think it’s cool.
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Old 01-17-2019, 02:51 PM   #28
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It should make sense, itís not a moving violation.

I wish they passed this in AZ. This is a sensible way of approaching an ALREADY existing law which wasnít being enforced. Letís see if 1000$ changes peopleís minds. I see nothing wrong for being ticketed for a modified (muffler delete or cat delete) or unreasonably loud exhaust. I donít need to hear it just cuz you may think itís cool.
People with STOCK cars are getting pulled over. Why would you support a law that blatantly robs you?

I second the notion that this is a response to sideshows and freeway shutdowns. But it's also us enthusiasts that's being punished, not the people who actually part of the disruption. Lazy police work leads to extortion.
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Old 01-17-2019, 02:52 PM   #29
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Is this accurate? I read somewhere that it would a point on your record.
I guess we'll find out with the other guy who got cited....
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Old 01-17-2019, 03:06 PM   #30
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People with STOCK cars are getting pulled over. Why would you support a law that blatantly robs you?

I second the notion that this is a response to sideshows and freeway shutdowns. But it's also us enthusiasts that's being punished, not the people who actually part of the disruption. Lazy police work leads to extortion.
Howís so?

Donít modify your exhaust to be loud and you wonít get pulled over. I doubt anynone got a ticket for an oem exhaust, cmon man. Stop fear mongering and keep your loud exhaust for inside your house, for the public do a favor and go oem so we donít have to listen to your 200$ muffler delete setup.
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Old 01-17-2019, 03:19 PM   #31
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Howís so?

Donít modify your exhaust to be loud and you wonít get pulled over. I doubt anynone got a ticket for an oem exhaust, cmon man. Stop fear mongering and keep your loud exhaust for inside your house, for the public do a favor and go oem so we donít have to listen to your 200$ muffler delete setup.
If it's not clear, my wife's STi is fully stock. That's why in my previous posts, I said I doubt the cops know what a stock STi sounds like.

I'm not fear mongering, I'm sharing info. My cars are all stock besides being lowered, and I still get bull**** tickets.

What started this post is a friend of the wife's sharing their video of a cop giving them this citation. The cop in the video says every time she drives with the "modified" exhaust, it's a $1000 fine. Not sure if that's to be taken as "Law", but that was a citing "Law Enforcement Officer" saying that. Not a muffler tech or YouTube celebrity.

Take this info as you will. I have taken the precaution of garaging the STi for the time being....
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Old 01-17-2019, 03:23 PM   #32
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If it's not clear, my wife's STi is fully stock. That's why in my previous posts, I said I doubt the cops know what a stock STi sounds like.

I'm not fear mongering, I'm sharing info. My cars are all stock besides being lowered, and I still get bull**** tickets.

What started this post is a friend of the wife's sharing their video of a cop giving them this citation. The cop in the video says every time she drives with the "modified" exhaust, it's a $1000 fine. Not sure if that's to be taken as "Law", but that was a citing "Law Enforcement Officer" saying that. Not a muffler tech or YouTube celebrity.

Take this info as you will. I have taken the precaution of garaging the STi for the time being....
Again, I doubt your oem exhaust will be an issue. Just show and tell the cops, if and when you get pulled over. However if you have a hole in your stock exhaust and it’s loud then you deserve a ticket.

Yes, every time you drive with loud exhaust it’s a 1000$, what’s confusing about that? It’s not an excise tax where you pay once and get to keep it afterwards.

You could also be proactive and contact the police and ask/tell them your concerns. Pull over by a cop and ask, ive done that on several occasions with traffic cops with lasers trying to catch speeders, and it helped me by learning how the lasers work and what their technique and procedure is. Cops are people like you and I, just talk to them.
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Again, I doubt your oem exhaust will be an issue. Just show and tell the cops, if and when you get pulled over. However if you have a hole in your stock exhaust and itís loud then you deserve a ticket.

Yes, every time you drive with loud exhaust itís a 1000$, whatís confusing about that? Itís not an excise tax where you pay once and get to keep it afterwards.

You could also be proactive and contact the police and ask/tell them your concerns. Pull over by a cop and ask, ive done that on several occasions with traffic cops with lasers trying to catch speeders, and it helped me by learning how the lasers work and what their technique and procedure is. Cops are people like you and I, just talk to them.
In no way am I ever disrespectful to officers -THAT'S AN ASSUMPTION ON YOUR END.
(I've seen too many videos of unarmed victims being shot to death - Oscar Grant RIP)

Stija - You're not even in Cali, so you're chiming in on something without any perspective of what goes down here. Purely speculation.

There's more to this than simple enforcement of a reasonable standing exhaust law.

TO THIS DATE - AB 1824 is still not available in the CA Bill website.....
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Old 01-17-2019, 03:39 PM   #34
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There's more to this than simple enforcement of a reasonable standing exhaust law.
Explain it to me then, what is this about? I thought it wa about enforcement through treasury collection, it’s a win-win in my books.

And I didn’t imply anything friend, I said talk to them and ask THEM, the enforcers instead of forum members who aren’t cops.

But hold up, you’re reasonable with cops cuz they could shoot you and not merely cuz that’s the normal thing to do with people, is that what I’m hearing?
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Old 01-17-2019, 03:45 PM   #35
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Explain it to me then, what is this about? I thought it wa about enforcement through treasury collection, itís a win-win in my books.

And I didnít imply anything friend, I said talk to them and ask THEM, the enforcers instead of forum members who arenít cops.
Fair enough - no offense.

I believe this is just to bring in more revenue. How do I know? DMV says 8 points MAX in 3 yrs, I had more, double digits. Didnt get my license suspended because I paid my tickets. (This was over a decade ago)

California makes enough with taxes. We need proper allocation of funds and transparency. But they'll never show their books.
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Old 01-17-2019, 04:05 PM   #36
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Found the shared Vid.
Straight from the officer's mouth, so there's no confusion.
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Old 01-17-2019, 04:14 PM   #37
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alright everyone, post your cold start videos
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Old 01-17-2019, 04:27 PM   #38
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https://youtu.be/vifbqMhIlds

Found the shared Vid.
Straight from the officer's mouth, so there's no confusion.
Did you hear the wealth of info that came out of that officers mouth. Now THAT is what I was referring to when I said to talk to THEM.

Now, what was I supposed to hear there that doesn’t jive with the loud or modified exhausts being fined? He told her to go to the state ref to examine if all components are there or if they have been modified. If they are (modified or missing) fine stays whether you correct the issue or not. Thank you law.

But maybe I missed something?

What’s your issue with this money grab? Is your exhaust missing a component or two? Is it modified and louder than stock? If not, nothing to worry about. Business as usual.
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Assuming I heard him correctly one could still return car to normal BEFORE the meet with state ref and have ticket voided?

Is that a loophole I just found out?
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i guess we should just ignore the fact you have to spend time going to court, most cases, put the time and money into getting your car back to stock, not to mention you still have to pay the fine before you can go to the ref and see a judge, court fees you have to pay regardless, time you have to spend going to the ref and then wait for your fine money to come back.
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i guess we should just ignore the fact you have to spend time going to court, most cases, put the time and money into getting your car back to stock, not to mention you still have to pay the fine before you can go to the ref and see a judge, court fees you have to pay regardless, time you have to spend going to the ref and then wait for your fine money to come back.
I was just sayin..

Not that I would ever do it cuz time is worth more than money to me. But to each his own, someone will do it for sure.

In fact I just read a thread today where someone returned car to stock to have it repaired at dealership and then will revert back to stage two once repaired. There’s all kinds of people and some got more time than anything else.
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:14 PM   #42
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Assuming I heard him correctly one could still return car to normal BEFORE the meet with state ref and have ticket voided?

Is that a loophole I just found out?
People been doing that for years... Since they don't impound right there or otherwise document what is on the car, the state ref folks won't know...totally subjective on the cops part for "too loud". Swap back to stock/quieter get reffed (pay ref fee - better than a thou!), change back, rinse, repeat.

prediction: state ref offices will be FLOODED with even stock cars getting cleared, plus the modded, and there will be like a year backlog for a test date (and then gross polluters will stay on the road while we test for loud mufflers); then they will make it back to correctable (wonder how this was able to be proven as "corrected" in the old days if CHP doesn't have the gear?).

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People been doing that for years... Since they don't impound right there or otherwise document what is on the car, the state ref folks won't know...totally subjective on the cops part for "too loud". Swap back to stock/quieter get reffed (pay ref fee - better than a thou!), change back, rinse, repeat.

prediction: state ref offices will be FLOODED with even stock cars getting cleared, plus the modded, and there will be like a year backlog for a test date (and then gross polluters will stay on the road while we test for loud mufflers); then they will make it back to correctable (wonder how this was able to be proven as "corrected" in the old days if CHP doesn't have the gear?).

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Iím surprised they donít document no mufflers or similar. Iíve got only one emission equipment tampering ticket in 1999 and back then the cop had documented no catalytic converters on the car, wonder why they donít do that nowadays.

Help me understand, so this 1000$ fine isnít payable until after the meet with the ref, and of course depending on the outcome?
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Iím surprised they donít document no mufflers or similar. Iíve got only one emission equipment tampering ticket in 1999 and back then the cop had documented no catalytic converters on the car, wonder why they donít do that nowadays.

Help me understand, so this 1000$ fine isnít payable until after the meet with the ref, and of course depending on the outcome?
Who knows, they might...depends on the LEO. Missing mufflers is an obvious visual and audible. A "loud" system that otherwise looks OK? Only the Ref can decide.

Unsure on fine sequence. If it's like a speeding ticket, you pay the fine(s), then can contest/court/Ref, and if you get off, money (aka bail), less ref fees, is returned. Lots of folks can't float a grand even if they can beat it.
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:33 PM   #45
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"Loud" is subjective to an officer who can't accurately measure your vehicle on the spot. It's obviously a scare tactic to try and curb the idiots riding around with nothing but a huge fart can, waking people at 2am when they brap through neighborhoods. It honestly takes a lot to aggravate most cops into pulling someone over, usually needs to be obnoxiously loud. However, I completely understand it will hurt people who can't afford to spend the time (time is money) and possibly court costs, because some jerkoff cop isn't living their best life. They really need to streamline the process to make it cut and dried for the people, but likely won't.



I meant to say LOUD like the idiots with fart cans...obviously it's targeted towards street racers causing accidents and deaths.

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Old 02-15-2019, 12:21 PM   #46
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yah !
no more straight piped 350z's
it's funny how kids will put straight pipes on some of the slowest cars...
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Did you hear the wealth of info that came out of that officers mouth. Now THAT is what I was referring to when I said to talk to THEM.

Now, what was I supposed to hear there that doesnít jive with the loud or modified exhausts being fined? He told her to go to the state ref to examine if all components are there or if they have been modified. If they are (modified or missing) fine stays whether you correct the issue or not. Thank you law.

But maybe I missed something?

Whatís your issue with this money grab? Is your exhaust missing a component or two? Is it modified and louder than stock? If not, nothing to worry about. Business as usual.
My issue with this money grab is that its ILLEGAL.
The bill still doesn't show in the CA website.
My wife's car is fully stock.
Despite that, cops still pull us over.
(Had an experienced where I was cruising 65 on HWY 4 and a Mustang and Camaro were racing on the left lane 85+MPH and blew past a cop. The CHP officer was looking at the Subie, not the muscle cars)

I'm just gonna go ahead and say that COPS ARE NOT HONORABLE.
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I loved this new law. I am tired of all these fart cans and straight pipe cars that you can hear a mile away. It bothers me cause i like quietness. Whether they are next to me or passing by in the opposite lane, I get cars all the time trying to show off to me their revvings and loud ass fart cans. The fast and the furious is just a movie guys, please keep the road SAFE and QUIET.
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For those of you who think think people are fear mongering; no, you're absolutely wrong. People with OEM exhausts are getting pulled over...and it's not fair even to the manufacturers of cars who ALREADY have to go through BAR standards to ensure the car is compliant with CA Law.

SEMA is currently looking to get this repealed as it allows LEO to abuse their power and issue citations without a way of testing equipment. Further, you can't test the equipment yourself and get a copy of a certificate that says your exhaust is compliant until you get cited. This law is hogwash.

https://www.semasan.com/legislative-...aust-noise-law
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For those of you who think think people are fear mongering; no, you're absolutely wrong. People with OEM exhausts are getting pulled over...and it's not fair even to the manufacturers of cars who ALREADY have to go through BAR standards to ensure the car is compliant with CA Law.

SEMA is currently looking to get this repealed as it allows LEO to abuse their power and issue citations without a way of testing equipment. Further, you can't test the equipment yourself and get a copy of a certificate that says your exhaust is compliant until you get cited. This law is hogwash.

https://www.semasan.com/legislative-...aust-noise-law
I agree, total Bull Hunky!!!
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