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Old 01-28-2019, 06:12 PM   #26
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I wonder how this electric F-series goes against Rivian.
Uhhhhh, you mean how will Rivian do against the F-series?



Ford will own the segment off name recognition alone.
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I wonder how this electric F-series goes against Rivian.
First the Rivian needs to actually be sold to the public. If it comes to fruition, I’d be willing to bet it becomes and acquired company or Ford and other autos put it out of business rather quick.
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Old 01-29-2019, 07:15 AM   #28
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First the Rivian needs to actually be sold to the public. If it comes to fruition, I’d be willing to bet it becomes and acquired company or Ford and other autos put it out of business rather quick.
Agree on the first count. It takes so much money to get a new car company off the ground.

I only think they'll be acquired though if they have some IP that stands out and Ford/Chevy/?? want to get their hands on it.
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Old 01-29-2019, 09:42 AM   #29
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Agree on the first count. It takes so much money to get a new car company off the ground.

I only think they'll be acquired though if they have some IP that stands out and Ford/Chevy/?? want to get their hands on it.
The IP protection would be key but it doesn’t need to be Ford / Chevy that acquires them if anyone does at all. Think of other companies with gaps in their lineup that does not offer a truck and it could be a nice slot in. I think companies that have trucks wouldn’t be interested since the only important parts of the truck would be motor and battery assuming those parts perform well. I think the US truck companies and likely Nissan and Toyota would just retrofit current trucks with an motor and battery since r&d would cost a lot less than designing a completely new truck from the ground up.

Call me crazy but I think a new age ford lightening with EV would be pretty sweet.
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The IP protection would be key but it doesn’t need to be Ford / Chevy that acquires them if anyone does at all. Think of other companies with gaps in their lineup that does not offer a truck and it could be a nice slot in. I think companies that have trucks wouldn’t be interested since the only important parts of the truck would be motor and battery assuming those parts perform well. I think the US truck companies and likely Nissan and Toyota would just retrofit current trucks with an motor and battery since r&d would cost a lot less than designing a completely new truck from the ground up.

Call me crazy but I think a new age ford lightening with EV would be pretty sweet.
Yeah, I hear what you're saying about other makers that don't have a truck line potentially being interested. In that case though the only reason to snatch them up is to cut your development time to get a truck to market. That's a lot of expense to get a product to market quicker. As you said, the rest of the technology is a know entity at this point. I'm not even talking about all the integration issues with bringing an outside developed product on a different CAD system (potentially/likely) into your systems.

I still think IP is the most compelling reason someone would buy them.....assuming they have something worthwhile there.
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So you folks feel Rivian is not going to be like the next Tesla who can stand alone?

Interesting. I wonder how they do.
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Old 01-29-2019, 10:57 AM   #32
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Uhhhhh, you mean how will Rivian do against the F-series?

Ford will own the segment off name recognition alone.

Is that how Rivian is seeing themselves? I’m not sure, thought electric cars are completely different animals and mindset. Interesting perspective indeed. GL to them both.
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So you folks feel Rivian is not going to be like the next Tesla who can stand alone?

Interesting. I wonder how they do.
Tesla had niche products in a niche market (at the time)


With everyone having EV's now, Tesla could not just pop up today.


Rivian needed to have product in the market 3 years ago. Unless they have something big up their sleeves, I doubt they will even make it to market at this point.
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Yeah sounds like a fair argument to me.

Tesla has a big battery factory too which Rivian does not, I don’t think.
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If Rivian wants to make it, they need to think smaller.


Ranger sized, don't worry about range too much. Start out selling them to municipalities and businesses. Once established, then they can take on the big boys.
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Someone needs to pick up the void left by Grumman
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So you folks feel Rivian is not going to be like the next Tesla who can stand alone?

Interesting. I wonder how they do.
Pretty simple answer.

Tesla was a disruptive company introducing a product into the market at the right place and time and when they had 0 competition. Its pretty damn easy to succeed in a market when you're first to it and money is flowing in (we'll see how long that lasts but thats for a different thread.)

Give me 3 compelling reasons why you believe Rivian can be the next "tesla" in the EV truck market considering Ford is going in and GM and Dodge will follow shortly after. Additionally, i'm willing to bet they go live with order right when the economic down turn happens and people are not shelling out money for expensive vehicles nor can they get a loan.
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That too.

USPS would be perfect for electrification.
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That too.

USPS would be perfect for electrification.
Those Jeeps or whatever run on natural gas, was it?
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Call me crazy but I think a new age ford lightening with EV would be pretty sweet.
Very sweet
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Those Jeeps or whatever run on natural gas, was it?
Those ****ty little rhd USPS boxes you see running around are 4 cylinder Chevy S-10s underneath.
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What always has been the achillies heel of everything EV is the crappy batteries. Need a step function in efficiency and produce-ability to make the EV saturation wide and deep and last. May be enough to get millions a year on the road, but for how many years. LIthium is not a common element. Need to get something that is common and cheap and non toxic.
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Those ****ty little rhd USPS boxes you see running around are 4 cylinder Chevy S-10s underneath.
Well, you can all then ****ty, but many of them went 500K miles.

The Iron Duke is one of the toughest engines ever made.
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What always has been the achillies heel of everything EV is the crappy batteries. Need a step function in efficiency and produce-ability to make the EV saturation wide and deep and last. May be enough to get millions a year on the road, but for how many years. LIthium is not a common element. Need to get something that is common and cheap and non toxic.
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If it ever makes it to mainstream production I would say that will be a biggie
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Well, you can all then ****ty, but many of them went 500K miles.

The Iron Duke is one of the toughest engines ever made.
I said the vehicle that surrounded the Duke was ****ty, lol. I had a buddy who worked for USPS and drove one with close to 500k on it. the heater core sealed up with corrosion around 200k, the roll up rear door relieved itself of duty over a speed bump and went sledding across a parking lot like an escaped pet snake, and the suspension shackles in the rear gave up the ghost at least once due to rust and we don't even get rain here. However, now that I think of all the abuse pool vehicles get, that's actually pretty good. No further yer'honor, lol.
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What always has been the achillies heel of everything EV is the crappy batteries. Need a step function in efficiency and produce-ability to make the EV saturation wide and deep and last. May be enough to get millions a year on the road, but for how many years. LIthium is not a common element. Need to get something that is common and cheap and non toxic.
Put a canopy on it and fill the bed with batteries and drive across the country. It’s a truck! You see those Jerps out there with accessory gas cans for the Starbucks drive thru Rubicon dontcha?? Apply the same paranoia to an EV.
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News Electric Ford F-150 prototype spotted charging




Last month we told you that we'd heard a rumor that Ford would build an electric F-150 in addition to the forthcoming hybrid model. Ford confirmed this report to Autoblog, saying the truck is in development. It seems our spy photographer has spotted the test mule plugged in somewhere in the wild, trying to hide in plain sight with a bit of camouflage.

Look more closely and a few things stick out. For one, it's plugged in. It's hard to tell, but that sure looks like there might be a J1772 plug hooked up to a socket in the driver's side of the front bumper. That's an easy place to hide a plug for this phase of testing, but it's likely that this plug location will change for production. There's also a deep running board, which doesn't do much to hide the fact that the truck's bed and body seem to be riding higher off the frame than normal. This indicates that the battery pack will hide under the body as in many EVs.

Ah, but there's a tailpipe!, you might think. It's not hard to bolt in a dummy unit. We've seen that trick before. Given what's going on underneath the cab of this mule, we think it's probably not a PHEV, so the tailpipe is a bit of misdirection.

Remember, upstart Rivian has also previewed an electric truck with range up to 400 miles, towing capacity up to 11,000 pounds and a price range between about $70,000 and $90,000. And having seen the prototype in person, we're quite impressed. What a real OEM truck would mean for Rivian is unclear. But as more information trickles out about the F-150 EV, all will be revealed in due time.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/05/...pe-spy-photos/
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