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Old 05-23-2007, 02:46 AM   #351
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Old 05-23-2007, 12:32 PM   #353
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Old 05-23-2007, 02:18 PM   #354
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We're taking preorders now. ETA is about 4 weeks.

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Old 05-23-2007, 03:16 PM   #355
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Ok, so 4 MORE weeks.

The original request was for springs with the same rates as the RCE STI springs with appropriate heights for a wagon, something similar to the STI pink wagon springs or maybe 5mm lower. The first set of test prototypes produced effectively gave no change from the RCE STI spring height. So what can we expect with the next round of springs? How are you able to order a volume of parts without having a successful prototype?

When I order prototypes springs, I always get three sets: one set designed to hit the desired height, one set to be 10mm lower and one set to be 10mm higher. That way I can mix and match the fronts and rears to ensure I'll be able to get to the desired trim target within 5mm at each end.
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Old 05-23-2007, 03:25 PM   #356
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so what is the definate drop ? And count me in - as long as the rears are compensated to not have the droopy butt.

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Old 05-23-2007, 04:02 PM   #357
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Some of you act as though we have never done this before based on your remarks. While we appreciate the enthusiasm, we have always insisted on making sure the product is "RIGHT". This situation is no different. I dont and never will divulge all aspects of our process. What I will say is we are on target to have a wagon spring that meets most peoples expectations in a short time frame.......
..notice I said "MOST". Has this taken longer than expected?..yep. Do I wish we had it done months ago?..yep. When its all said and done, will it be right?..yep( well except for there is always one or two who always find something wrong).

As for the comment about the prototypes, I sincerely wish that we had installed them on the car that was offered to us by Subaru, so we could have control of the sitution and have taken certain types of pictures. But the comment about ride height is just not true. I wont argue over that, as you can think what you want to based on pictures of two different cars with different tire sizes and shocks taken under different lighting situations.

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Old 05-23-2007, 04:02 PM   #358
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so what is the definate drop ? And count me in - as long as the rears are compensated to not have the droopy butt.

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we wont have droopy butt.

Thanks Steff'
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Old 05-23-2007, 04:04 PM   #359
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Ok, so 4 MORE weeks.
When I order prototypes springs, I always get three sets: one set designed to hit the desired height, one set to be 10mm lower and one set to be 10mm higher. That way I can mix and match the fronts and rears to ensure I'll be able to get to the desired trim target within 5mm at each end.
Yeah, I thought about this months ago but kept my mouth shut. Isn't that the point of a prototype, to get the bugs out before production?
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Old 05-23-2007, 04:09 PM   #360
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don't leave us hanging!
I know you are joking, but let me say that out of 10 products in less than 24 months, we have only left 1 hanging( ans that wasnt left hanging because we never started). and thats the seat brackets for tall people. So no we wont leave anyone hanging. No worries.

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Old 05-23-2007, 04:13 PM   #361
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Yep, Myles and company have a great reputation for putting out quality products and services. I know initially I'd be anxious, but remember, it's better to get a quality product out than something you might be sending back b/c of poor fitment or quality control.

I'm looking forward to hearing reviews from the early installers. Good luck Myles!

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Old 05-23-2007, 04:14 PM   #362
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Yeah, I thought about this months ago but kept my mouth shut. Isn't that the point of a prototype, to get the bugs out before production?
Well showing the prototype was our choice that time, I think both of you have assumed that because we havent shown another that there isnt another set of prototypes. Keep in ming there were 5 proto's for the STI springs and that we got right.

Damn,.... have some faith.

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Old 05-23-2007, 04:15 PM   #363
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Yep, Myles and company have a great reputation for putting out quality products and services. I know initially I'd be anxious, but remember, it's better to get a quality product out than something you might be sending back b/c of poor fitment or quality control.

I'm looking forward to hearing reviews from the early installers. Good luck Myles!

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Thanks Ed.

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Old 05-23-2007, 04:46 PM   #364
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Well showing the prototype was our choice that time, I think both of you have assumed that because we havent shown another that there isnt another set of prototypes. Keep in ming there were 5 proto's for the STI springs and that we got right.

Damn,.... have some faith.

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Old 05-23-2007, 05:10 PM   #365
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wait, did you say lower seat rails for us ogre types?
Once again, can you please confirm I am on your mailing list? Your ideas intrigue me greatly.
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Old 05-23-2007, 05:21 PM   #366
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lol.........actually our record speaks for itself to some degree.

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Old 05-23-2007, 05:22 PM   #367
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IMO, R&D time > preemptive hype

Seriously people. Give RCE some credit here. They're taking their time to specially develop something that will not only satisfy the overwhelming and insatiable demands that some people in this thread have displayed, but also appeal to the unknowing masses that will be sure to jump on board once the word spreads about ANOTHER quality RCE product.

So, with that said, here are some obligatory cliches.
Patience is a virtue and you know what they say about assuming...

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Old 05-23-2007, 05:22 PM   #368
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wait, did you say lower seat rails for us ogre types?
Once again, can you please confirm I am on your mailing list? Your ideas intrigue me greatly.
I mentioned that because that is the only thing that we decided NOT to do. Since the STI seats suck anyway, it didnt make sense. I bought Recaro's.

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Old 05-28-2007, 08:59 PM   #369
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I'm also very interested in these springs, looking forward to some pics of them installed on the first wave of cars that get them.

Thanks for taking the time to make a wagon specific part! It is such a PITA looking for suspension components if you are a wagon guy.
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Old 05-29-2007, 05:24 PM   #370
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stupid question .. but i'm gonna ask anyway... should the top hats be replaced for this - meaning these springs and tokico d-specs? I've not replaced springs and struts before and not sure what the new set-up will do to stock top hats. Also.. are camber plates necessary or worth it? I plan on going -1 degree in the front, and -1.7 to -2 in the rear with an alignment after the install. I'm pretty sure i'd never re-adjust them at that point... so any advice?

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Old 05-29-2007, 10:10 PM   #371
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IMO yes- they are rather firmish rates you'd hate to have your oe tops be the "weak link"- for softish springs it's optional, for firmer springs highly recommended

you can easily get -1.0 w/ the stock eccentric bolt up front, oe spec is ~ -1.5 in the rear- you shouldn't need anymore neg camber than that in the rear
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Old 06-10-2007, 10:21 AM   #372
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Old 06-12-2007, 02:17 PM   #374
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stupid question .. but i'm gonna ask anyway... should the top hats be replaced for this - meaning these springs and tokico d-specs? I've not replaced springs and struts before and not sure what the new set-up will do to stock top hats. Also.. are camber plates necessary or worth it? I plan on going -1 degree in the front, and -1.7 to -2 in the rear with an alignment after the install. I'm pretty sure i'd never re-adjust them at that point... so any advice?

thanks,
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As bigsky said, I would recommend the group N's up front.

If you're fine with just -1 degree up front, then skip the camber plates. However, i think you would be happier with about -1.5 or a little more up front. Either way, you could upgrade to plates later on down the line.

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