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Old 08-06-2019, 09:04 PM   #1226
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30,000 Tycan orders Here come the very competitive competition . Who lost those orders ?
And as of the beginning of June, the VW ID3 pre sales were over 20k. Likely sales that could have gone to a model 3.
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Old 08-07-2019, 08:42 AM   #1227
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Happy Fraudiversary! Elon "420 funding secured" was exactly one year ago today! May your hearts and bank accounts continue to swell with pride and cash.
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Old 08-07-2019, 08:52 AM   #1228
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I recently bought the stock at about $190 and it's at $227 so...
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Old 08-07-2019, 11:42 AM   #1229
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I recently bought the stock at about $190 and it's at $227 so...
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1. Fraud is fine if I can make money on it?
2. I only bet that the idiocy, corruption, and lies would pump it for a while?
3. I took a flyer and trailed to breakeven hoping for a miracle?
4. Elon is smart and we serfs should trust him?
5. I'm hedged fully with fake meat and crypto?
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Old 08-07-2019, 11:51 AM   #1230
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Happy Fraudiversary! Elon "420 funding secured" was exactly one year ago today! May your hearts and bank accounts continue to swell with pride and cash.
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1. Fraud is fine if I can make money on it?
2. I only bet that the idiocy, corruption, and lies would pump it for a while?
3. I took a flyer and trailed to breakeven hoping for a miracle?
4. Elon is smart and we serfs should trust him?
5. I'm hedged fully with fake meat and crypto?
Alright frens, let’s come back in a little bit and not let this get cray. Kind of irrelevant info even though it’s Tesla focused, sorta.
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Old 08-07-2019, 01:04 PM   #1231
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He also bought the product. Sooo.....he frauds himself?
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Old 08-09-2019, 04:59 AM   #1232
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fake account asking for bitcoins in a trump tweet and people are sending him money.
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Old 08-09-2019, 08:44 AM   #1233
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Hilarious, although I'm sure they would've scammed 100X the money had they used a tweet from a rabid leftist instead.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:22 AM   #1234
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Old 08-09-2019, 11:40 AM   #1235
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that factory in China is coming online absurdly fast.

the government inspectors must be extremely efficient. They need to start training the ones in California.
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Old 08-09-2019, 02:12 PM   #1236
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that factory in China is coming online absurdly fast.

the government inspectors must be extremely efficient. They need to start training the ones in California.
How can you train nobody?
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How can you train nobody?
How many people can you train?
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How many people can you train?
In the Castro (San Fran), almost everyone.
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YMMV

Getting old pops.
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Getting old pops.
Shonuff, just a puff of smoke or the occasional lucky cobweb
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First time in the Castro memories are thee best. Pairs well with a fine dry sherry.
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:47 AM   #1242
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Today on "As the Fraud Unravels", will VW takeover rumors prove certain for our boy wonder, or will the Walmart suit be another catalyst for his final decline? Tune in and find out, next, after these words, sponsored by SpaceX.
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85% decline in solar city sales despite cost cutting and subscription plan. I’ll say it time and time again. Solar city acquisition was a bail out for his cousin and nothing more. Solar city should have been sold off long ago but ego maniac can’t let go of anything. Solar city is the god damn titanic of that that business. It’s already hemorrhaged all the money it can, now it’s just waiting for it to finally sink with jack and rose holding onto the back.

While not a massive number but every dollar counts for Tesla, a German Rental company canceled a $5.5M order after their first shipment of cars had quality control issues out the ass.

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85% decline in solar city sales despite cost cutting and subscription plan. I’ll say it time and time again. Solar city acquisition was a bail out for his cousin and nothing more. Solar city should have been sold off long ago but ego maniac can’t let go of anything. Solar city is the god damn titanic of that that business. It’s already hemorrhaged all the money it can, now it’s just waiting for it to finally sink with jack and rose holding onto the back.

While not a massive number but every dollar counts for Tesla, a German Rental company canceled a $5.5M order after their first shipment of cars had quality control issues out the ass.
yeah the Solar City move was crap...

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Germany-based all-electric rental car company nextmove ordered 100 Tesla Model 3 vehicles to add their fleet last year.

After taking delivery of the first 15 cars earlier this year, the company experienced so many issues that they came back to Tesla wanting a guarantee of quality and service for the remaining 85 cars on the order, which was apparently worth around 5 million euros.

nextmove wrote in an email:

“Tesla Model 3 vehicles, which nextmove was supposed to take over after payment and only a short examination, sometimes had serious defects: defective tires, paint and body damages, defective charge controllers, wrong wiring harnesses or missing emergency call buttons. Such quality defects would have endangered the safety of the customers and the profitability of nextmove.”

The company documented some of these issues in a YouTube video released today inn German with English subtitles):



For the rest of the order, the company asked Tesla for a promise of delivering the new vehicles in good condition and for on-time service.

nextmove Managing Director Stefan Moeller said:

“We had to insist on compliance with general quality standards and processes in order to protect our renters and our business model.”

According to the company, Tesla instead decided to cancel the order.

Moeller says that Tesla is in “service hell” — a reference to Elon Musk’s “production hell” comment when the automaker was ramping up production of the Model 3.

Tesla has had issues keeping up with service as its customer fleet grows rapidly with Model 3.

Moeller added:

“We know that Tesla had to overcome the biggest challenges because deliveries started at the same time in Europe and China. But by now processes must be in place that allow more than one in four vehicles to be delivered without defects,” says Moeller. “Although we consider the Model 3 to be the best electric car in the world today, we are now banking heavily on other manufacturers coming onto the market with competitive vehicles next year – and who also know customer service. But, of course, we will also keep testing to see if Tesla can get out of service hell.”

nextmove says that it continued to try buying Model 3’s from Tesla through online orders, but they claim that Tesla tried to sell them cars that were already registered to other buyers before.

They feared that it would have prevented them to take advantage from EV incentives in Germany.

We contacted Tesla about nextmove’s claims and we will update if we get an answer.

Update: Tesla sent us the followinig statement:

“Tesla’s vehicle quality has reached record highs, and our data does not indicate any unusual vehicle quality issues that are specific to Germany or anywhere else in the world. Although there is always a small chance that a car may occasionally encounter blemishes during final transport to a customer, that is not unique to Tesla and we address those issues quickly for anyone impacted. We are also in the process of scaling up service centers globally, including a more than 50% increase in Mobile Service vehicles and a five-fold increase in Mobile Service coverage just this year in Europe.

We set an extremely high bar for our cars, which is why any customer who is unhappy with theirs can return it for a full refund up to seven days after purchase. Our customer satisfaction data shows that German customers have largely been satisfied with their vehicles, including the quality and condition of their cars upon delivery.”

The automaker also claims that they didn’t cancel the order and that nextmove backed off of the plan because of another dispute with Tesla.

Tesla also says that the issue with selling vehicles that were previoulsy registered to other buyers was due to a problem with their VIN matching system that has been corrected
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We've had ours since September 2018 with only one visit for a repair (window motor), and that's it. I love the car. We preordered a Model Y, and I'd get a second Model 3 if I could.
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. They filed a lawsuit against Tesla earlier this year.

In its demand, Walmart wanted Tesla to pay back $8 million in cost that the retailer incurred due to the fires and other issues with the solar power system.

More significantly, the company also wanted Tesla to deinstall the over 240 solar power systems at its stores all over the US.

Days later, Tesla had yet to comment on the issue despite requests, but today, the two companies issued a joint statement confirming that they are working to address all the issues together and aim to re-energize the systems:

Walmart and Tesla look forward to addressing all issues and re-energizing Tesla solar installations at Walmart stores, once all parties are certain that all concerns have been addressed.

Together, we look forward to pursuing our mutual goal of a sustainable energy future. Above all else, both companies want each and every system to operate reliably, efficiently, and safely.

There’s no timeline on the resolution of these issues.

Business Insider also revealed that Tesla has been replacing faulty connectors and optimizers on many solar systems since last year.
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Or read the actual suit instead of the steaming article put out by the marketing dep't. Highly entertaining, especially the part beginning on page 12.

https://www.scribd.com/document/4225...ns-Complaint-1

The car discounts should be beginning again in the next couple of weeks - gotta pump that growth story
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Rating Action: Moody's affirms Tesla B3 corporate family and Caa1 senior unsecured ratings; outlook is stable
Global Credit Research - 20 Aug 2019
New York, August 20, 2019 -- Moody's Investors Service ("Moody's") affirmed Tesla, Inc.'s ratings including the B3 Corporate Family Rating (CFR) and Caa1 senior unsecured ratings, and changed the speculative grade liquidity rating to SGL-3 from SGL-4. The outlook changed to stable from negative.

RATINGS RATIONALE

Tesla's B3 CFR reflects its achievement of scale production of the Model 3 after struggling with significant manufacturing and assembly hurdles. As Model 3 output is now in line with Moody's earlier expectations the company should be able to achieve production efficiencies, lower costs, and strengthen automotive gross margins. This progress will be necessary if Tesla's automotive sales are to offset the sizable losses generated by the automotive service operations, and enable it to sustain net profitability. An important contributor to achieving net profit will be the sale of regulatory credits, which represent no incremental cost to the company and fall directly to earnings. We expect these sales, which accounted for over $400 million in revenues/earnings during 2018, will continue to grow as emission regulations become more restrictive in all major markets.

Moreover, Tesla's increased experience with its production processes have significantly reduced the level of capital expenditures needed to support its growth plans, with annual capex falling from approximately $4 billion in 2017 to a current run rate of $1.5 to $2 billion, thus providing a significant boost to expected cash flow. Nonetheless, Moody's still expects the company to generate modestly negative free cash flow during the coming twelve months, probably in the area of $500 million.

Finally, Tesla's liquidity position is now adequate, reflected by the SGL-3. Its $5 billion cash position will afford an important cushion to meet maturing debt obligations through 2021 and to contend with the operational challenges it will face during the coming year....
https://m.moodys.com/research/Moodys...red--PR_407645

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Here’s what I’m going to tell you about large investment firms and analysts. They typically give their rating (buy / sell / hold / value amount ) because they have something to gain. If you don’t believe me, then go look at everyone that had a sell on the stock and then see how much their holding in short positions.
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