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Old 07-30-2019, 11:35 AM   #526
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I must have missed it, what happened to Lewis potential penalty for too slow under safety car?
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Old 07-30-2019, 11:39 AM   #527
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nothing, some blabla delta problems because his car was here the SC was there something that never happened before we must look into this...nothing
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Old 07-30-2019, 11:41 AM   #528
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I must have missed it, what happened to Lewis potential penalty for too slow under safety car?
because car 44 pitted due to his own incident during the VSC/Safety Car period, and the subsequent long pit stop, he had completed one less lap under the safety car than the cars around him.

“This meant that he was obliged to drive to the delta time, while the cars around him were attempting to safely catch the Safety Car. This gave the appearance that he was driving unnecessarily slowly, however in the view of the stewards he was following the regulation.”
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Old 07-30-2019, 11:58 AM   #529
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:06 PM   #530
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I must have missed it, what happened to Lewis potential penalty for too slow under safety car?
He spun and the timers registered the lap time as if it was just a slow lap...
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:17 PM   #531
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Thanks guys. It was hard to pay attention with so much track action on what happened exactly when. It just seemed to disappear completely from thought and mind.

Unfortunately I had to catch a replay and knew race results before watching, but it was entertaining even knowing the results. I love these older punishing tracks.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:25 PM   #532
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Kimi had a great start, the penalty imposed was due to settings that would help with a start in tricky conditions.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...each-explained
True, but the race pressed reset numerous times with safety cars and restarts, so their standing race start wheel spin was rendered pretty irrelevant. But still, a breach of the rules is a breach of the rules and a double points scoring finish down the drain.

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This x1000. Financial penalty during the race, when has that ever happened before? Fines for wheels falling off cars but not for events that gain an advantage. The team screwed up for releasing him, the car should take the penalty.
I honestly can't believe how casually they're treating safety lately. We have had a lot of slam-dunk textbook unsafe releases and since they didn't crash or hit any humans in the pitlane, they're ignored or given an "Oh, you." So now cars are literally racing each other side by side in the pit lane, swerving to avoid each other, slamming on the brakes and just all around asshattery. We're going to get another Germany cameraman-like or Ferrari mechanic in Bahrain incident soon, if not worse.

Heck, look at how close Lewis was to hitting Leclerc's stranded Ferrari. That could have easily been surrounded by a half dozen marshalls and a tractor. Just like Suzuka and Martin always said, where one car has gone off, it's a higher likelihood that a second will go off in the same place.

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and Ricciardos engine stuck at 10 hp in the end


Renault, the new Honda
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Ric has the worst luck

Or Renault just really hates him and made sure he always got the **** engine at RB and Renault
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:33 PM   #535
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He was using his first engine for Germany so they could have a fresh one for Hungary.
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I could understand if they wanted to give Kvyat the #2 car at Red Bull, but I don't think that would be the best move on their part. I'd think Albon would be a better choice not only for him being a rising star, but I think the team dynamics would work out better for them in their halo team. Also, I think Albon would learn more from Max as a teammate, thereby making him a strong successor to Max when Max eventually moves on. I don't see Kvyat ever being the #1 driver at Red Bull.

Last thought on that, is Toro Rosso finally coming into it's own this season? If they continue in that trajectory, then Kvyat could be the #1 driver to a very credible team in the near future, and he can have ownership of that rise.
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I could understand if they wanted to give Kvyat the #2 car at Red Bull, but I don't think that would be the best move on their part. I'd think Albon would be a better choice not only for him being a rising star, but I think the team dynamics would work out better for them in their halo team. Also, I think Albon would learn more from Max as a teammate, thereby making him a strong successor to Max when Max eventually moves on. I don't see Kvyat ever being the #1 driver at Red Bull.

Last thought on that, is Toro Rosso finally coming into it's own this season? If they continue in that trajectory, then Kvyat could be the #1 driver to a very credible team in the near future, and he can have ownership of that rise.
Thing is, there's a serious risk of putting a rookie in the senior team to replace a stumbling sophomore. Kvyat is a safer bet with more experience and then Albon and Gasly can slug it out in the junior team while gaining experience.

The somewhat ironic thing is Kvyat was promoted to RBR not because he was ready, but because Seb left and they had to plug the hole with either him or JEV. Now the same thing has happened and RIC has up and left so they were forced to promote Gasly prematurely. Both have stumbled in their RBR debuts, although Kvyat was demoted to make way for a phenom in Verstappen. Gasly is just plain ****ting the bed.

Putting a question mark of a rookie in his place doesn't seem to solve the problem to me. If any seat swaps are to happen, it should be Kvyat to RBR and Gasly back to STR to gain experience, where he belongs. Because lets be honest, he would still be there today if it weren't for RIC kicking off driver swap dominoes.
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Heck, look at how close Lewis was to hitting Leclerc's stranded Ferrari. That could have easily been surrounded by a half dozen marshalls and a tractor. Just like Suzuka and Martin always said, where one car has gone off, it's a higher likelihood that a second will go off in the same place.

https://streamable.com/54wmq
Seems a drag strip surface is one of the slipperiest surfaces you could put near a race track, not a good idea to have on the outside of a turn. I did enjoy the drama created by gravel, but it caused Leclerc and Hulk to DNF instead of letting them limp back to the pits.
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Pretty sure Marko said recently that Gasly was staying through the end of the year.

With as poorly as he's performed, I wonder if that means they have their eyes on someone else already for next year and they don't want to bother moving Kvyat or Albon up only to have to move them back at the end of the year.
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:23 PM   #540
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https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/4261....BeHVTyIbiLxkts


"We have given the Netflix guys more content than on any other weekend," Toto Wolff was quoted by GPFans.

It is thought that Hamilton won't let footage of himself be used.

"I won’t be in the Netflix show much, because I was sick the whole time," he said. "I won’t allow them to release that."
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There was a lot of hype around Albon finally getting a F1 ride this season - saying he was from the same crop as Verstappen and Leclerc. I haven't seen any real brilliance out of him yet, but the Toro Rosso has been pretty far back so far. But of course, Leclerc was able to show his talent when he was over at Sauber, and Sauber just as much a mid-pack team as Toro Rosso is this year.
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Really? I didn't hear that much hype. Hell, he wasn't even supposed to race F1 this year. He had a done deal in FE and only managed to wiggle out of it once RIC knocked the first domino over. He's done better than I expected and seems pretty well matched to Kvyat who has much more experience. But I didn't expect Verstappen or Leclerc levels out of him.
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Renault boss Cyril Abiteboul has said that the team is "considering different options" in terms of their driver line up for next season. The pressure seems to be on Nico Hulkenberg and after crashing out of the German Grand Prix Abiteboul is worried that the Renault driver is not up to the level that they want him to be. There are rumours that Esteban Ocon could be taking his seat for next season.
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Really? I didn't hear that much hype. Hell, he wasn't even supposed to race F1 this year. He had a done deal in FE and only managed to wiggle out of it once RIC knocked the first domino over. He's done better than I expected and seems pretty well matched to Kvyat who has much more experience. But I didn't expect Verstappen or Leclerc levels out of him.
Same here.

The current 'rookie' group (Lando, Albon and Russell) are all highly-rated; but mostly by their peers. I've seen very little hype surrounding them. I think more than hype, they've been showing their worth by getting good results and delivering solid drives altogether.
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Renault boss Cyril Abiteboul has said that the team is "considering different options" in terms of their driver line up for next season. The pressure seems to be on Nico Hulkenberg and after crashing out of the German Grand Prix Abiteboul is worried that the Renault driver is not up to the level that they want him to be. There are rumours that Esteban Ocon could be taking his seat for next season.
Swapping Hulkenberg out will literally have no impact on their ability to score podiums with their car. They could put Verstappen in there and they'd still be the Formula 1.5 team that they are, as we see with RIC nowhere near the podium. Seems like a total silly season rumor in order to negotiate the Hulk down, especially after a DNF.
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Swapping Hulkenberg out will literally have no impact on their ability to score podiums with their car. They could put Verstappen in there and they'd still be the Formula 1.5 team that they are, as we see with RIC nowhere near the podium. Seems like a total silly season rumor in order to negotiate the Hulk down, especially after a DNF.
Agreed.

Unless Renault just really really wants to have a French driver. Maybe they go after Ocon.
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I'd like to see Ocon in a good ride.
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Hamilton in the rain is a beast, though. It'd just be Max in 2nd instead of Bottas.

Forecast is still showing a > 50% chance of rain from early Saturday morning all the way thought Sunday night.
Yeah go Hamilton you beast
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Yeah go Hamilton you beast

Team putting him on the wrong tires doesn't mean I'm wrong. Lots of people spun




Hungary 2014 was also wet. Hamilton started from the pits and finished 3rd. COTA 2015 started wet as well - Hamilton won there, too.
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Yeah - can't argue that HAM is not the best wet driver out there. VER is also great - but not easy to compare given the disparity in the two cars - which seem to be edging ever so closer.
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