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Old 08-17-2019, 04:41 PM   #1
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Default 2019 Sti stg 2 1/4 mile

I just put a deposit down on a 2019 Sti. After searching for a clean 06-07 Sti, I was unable to find one that fit what I needed. All were abused or super high mileage.
I saw various threads claiming the stock 2019 is significantly slower than the 04-07. I wanted to see what kind of times people are seeing in the 1/4 mile after going stage 2. Can't find many posts on this.
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:44 PM   #2
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engine wise it's not slower..

Bigger wheels, bigger brake calipers, bigger tires, attribute to the slower time.

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...442838&page=28

this should give you a good idea. ^^

There are a probably a couple of other things that attribute slower 0-60 / 1/4 mile but it's hard to pinpoint, with the engine being exactly the same and power output higher on the 19+
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Old 08-17-2019, 11:55 PM   #3
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My butt dyno tells me my 18in winter wheels that weigh in at 20lbs each makes for a peppier acceleration in my 2019 STI this past winter. Your butt dyno may vary.
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Old 08-18-2019, 11:29 AM   #4
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Do you plan to drag race and destroy your new car? How fast YOUR car is in the quarter depends on the driver. Put me in it and I'll get you some solid 15 second runs. I'm a road race/ autocross guy. I don't know how to go in a straight line.
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Old 08-18-2019, 11:45 AM   #5
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I'm going to be that guy.. you're probably buying the wrong car if you want a fast 1/4 mile time. A Mustang GT would be a better choice. The STI is more at home on a road course or autocross track. It can be a fast 1/4 mile car, but you'll need to spend a lot more money on a built engine and larger turbo.

I'm just guessing based on what I've seen, but "stage 2" should get you into the 12s. A stock 10 speed Mustang GT will likely be faster.

*The STI is obviously still the better car to buy
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Old 08-18-2019, 12:36 PM   #6
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Stage 2, stage 3, or stage 10 don't matter when you're granny shifting not double clutching like you should.....
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Old 08-18-2019, 01:05 PM   #7
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Stage 2, stage 3, or stage 10 don't matter when you're granny shifting not double clutching like you should.....
The technical advisor for F&F begged them not to use that line, since it makes no sense. He recommended "Granny shifting, not power shifting like you should".
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Old 08-18-2019, 08:08 PM   #8
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The technical advisor for F&F begged them not to use that line, since it makes no sense. He recommended "Granny shifting, not power shifting like you should".
And i am glad they did not change it. Lol....
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Old 08-18-2019, 10:56 PM   #9
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The technical advisor for F&F begged them not to use that line, since it makes no sense. He recommended "Granny shifting, not power shifting like you should".
I thought toretto was talking about when Brian was slowing down and decelerating. Because he pretty much spun out his car lol.
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:24 PM   #10
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haha love the responses!
I'm not overly concerned about 1/4 mile, but was curious as I live in Philadelphia and can't open it up so that's the only enjoyment I will be getting 1/4 mile at a time.

I thought about a mustang or something RWD, but I like to snowboard in the winter and need a 4 door "practical" car.
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:25 PM   #11
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:20 PM   #12
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haha love the responses!
I'm not overly concerned about 1/4 mile, but was curious as I live in Philadelphia and can't open it up so that's the only enjoyment I will be getting 1/4 mile at a time.

I thought about a mustang or something RWD, but I like to snowboard in the winter and need a 4 door "practical" car.
Nah, you'll get your enjoyment from something else (unless you mean having fun on a 1/4mile without caring how fast you actually were).

The STI even at Stage 2 is not a fast 1/4 mile type car. Not sure how to explain it. I guess between how fast you can take corners and the gearing the car is feels fast and is very fun; even if almost any car can beat you on a 1/4.

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Old 08-19-2019, 10:13 PM   #13
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Where about in Philadelphia are you from? I am in the suburbs of Philadelphia myself, and I understand where you're coming from as RWD is only good in the area about 6 to 8 months of the year, never know what winter will bring anymore so STi is a good choice for fun while handling whatever winter brings!
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I thought about a mustang or something RWD, but I like to snowboard in the winter and need a 4 door "practical" car.
If you aren't a Subaru/STI enthusiast, the Golf R is another good choice in the 4 door, AWD segment. It has a modern engine that responds better to bolt-ons and gets better fuel economy. It's a hatchback and is more refined as a daily driver (ride comfort, interior, fuel economy, etc.). If a manual transmission isn't a requirement, the Golf R with DSG transmission, "stage 2" bolt-ons, and some ethanol will put you into the 11s pretty easily regardless of driver skill. In the end, the Golf R is VW and lacks the "rawness" of the STI. It just comes down to personal preference.

Don't get me wrong, I love my '19 STI and the "old school" driving experience that it offers. The inputs feel more tactile and mechanical compared to other modern vehicles in this segment.

My previous car was a '16 WRX as I wanted something practical with 4 doors, AWD and a manual transmission. However, I wasn't ever happy with the transmission, brakes or steering feel. It was significantly faster in a straight line with a flex fuel tune (it weighs less, has modern engine technology, responds better to modifications, and has longer gearing). The fact that the 2020 will have the option for Brembos in addition to the Recaros makes it very appealing. Not to mention the FA20 is way better on fuel economy. But coming from past cars like the FD RX-7, S2000, etc., I just wanted something that I felt more connected to as a driver. My only real complaints with the STI are the terrible gas mileage and the fact that Subaru hasn't done much of anything to improve the powertrain over the last 15 years.. here's to hoping the 2021 STI will receive the FA24DIT and return to being a leader (or at least competitive) in its segment.
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Old 08-20-2019, 02:04 PM   #15
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If you aren't a Subaru/STI enthusiast, the Golf R is another good choice in the 4 door, AWD segment. It has a modern engine that responds better to bolt-ons and gets better fuel economy. It's a hatchback and is more refined as a daily driver (ride comfort, interior, fuel economy, etc.). If a manual transmission isn't a requirement, the Golf R with DSG transmission, "stage 2" bolt-ons, and some ethanol will put you into the 11s pretty easily regardless of driver skill. In the end, the Golf R is VW and lacks the "rawness" of the STI. It just comes down to personal preference.

Don't get me wrong, I love my '19 STI and the "old school" driving experience that it offers. The inputs feel more tactile and mechanical compared to other modern vehicles in this segment.

My previous car was a '16 WRX as I wanted something practical with 4 doors, AWD and a manual transmission. However, I wasn't ever happy with the transmission, brakes or steering feel. It was significantly faster in a straight line with a flex fuel tune (it weighs less, has modern engine technology, responds better to modifications, and has longer gearing). The fact that the 2020 will have the option for Brembos in addition to the Recaros makes it very appealing. Not to mention the FA20 is way better on fuel economy. But coming from past cars like the FD RX-7, S2000, etc., I just wanted something that I felt more connected to as a driver. My only real complaints with the STI are the terrible gas mileage and the fact that Subaru hasn't done much of anything to improve the powertrain over the last 15 years.. here's to hoping the 2021 STI will receive the FA24DIT and return to being a leader (or at least competitive) in its segment.
Golf R was one I was strongly considering, but dealers aren't budging on pricing for the dsg and the manual left a lot to be desired. The dsg was about $7k more than a base Sti
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I think all car designers would love the idea of going back in time and donkey punching the dude who started publishing 0-60 and quarter mile times for production cars and forever doomed mankind to keep using that metric for comparison.
Talk about useless data for a street vehicle.
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Old 08-20-2019, 02:42 PM   #17
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I think all car designers would love the idea of going back in time and donkey punching the dude who started publishing 0-60 and quarter mile times for production cars and forever doomed mankind to keep using that metric for comparison.
Talk about useless data for a street vehicle.
I disagree, while it isn't super useful data for most people it's a fairly robust metric for comparison when discussing power. I think 5-60 is probably a more valid metric for a street car, but being able to do comparison testing on a 1/4 makes sense.
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:51 PM   #18
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I think all car designers would love the idea of going back in time and donkey punching the dude who started publishing 0-60 and quarter mile times for production cars and forever doomed mankind to keep using that metric for comparison.
Talk about useless data for a street vehicle.
I disagree, I think its more useful for a street vehicle then track times, considering most people will never go to a track outside of a drag strip.
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I disagree, while it isn't super useful data for most people it's a fairly robust metric for comparison when discussing power. I think 5-60 is probably a more valid metric for a street car, but being able to do comparison testing on a 1/4 makes sense.
Completely agree with this. I think the 5-60 mph is the most relevant for street driving.. along with 45-65 mph "passing" type tests.

The 1/4 mile is still relevant for overall performance for anyone that wishes to brag or actually take their car to the drag strip.

IMO, 0-60 mph times for cars like the STI are less relevant because:
  • You have to rev to near redline to launch the car for the best time.. not something many people will do on the street
  • It requires an "extra" shift to 3rd gear around 57 mph so it'll result in a slower time. This largely depends on the gearing.
  • Any modern, performance dual clutch or auto trans will likely be faster than a driver with a clutch pedal and manual transmission. But the manual will offer a more engaging driver's experience.
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Old 08-21-2019, 02:27 PM   #20
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lol this is good to see...i was wondering why my 0-60 was low 7s when published is mid 4s...had been suspecting the hard launch but haven't had an opportunity to retry it!
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lol this is good to see...i was wondering why my 0-60 was low 7s when published is mid 4s...had been suspecting the hard launch but haven't had an opportunity to retry it!
A really quick 0-60 usually means driving like you get to give the car back in a week with no repercussions for damage.
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