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Old 10-22-2001, 05:18 AM   #1
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Default WRX vs. S2000...

who would win?? 2002 WRX or 2001 Honda S2000
1) in a 1/4 mile drag...
2) windy roads...
3) high speeds(distance-wise)
just curious, my friend and i were debating it, and i figured what the hay...i'll ask the clubbers what they have to say about that!! but seriously, what are some comparisons in performance?? anyone know?? thanks!!
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Old 10-22-2001, 06:25 AM   #2
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driven/rode in both cars.... but no track time at either... =(

the S2000 is alot of fun to drive... it feels a bit more solid.... i'm tempted to say that it would win on auto-x tracks... esp so if both cars were stock...

even though the 1/4 mi times are pretty close, the WRX feel MUCH faster..... with good drivers in both cars... i'd lean towards a WRX

windy roads?! umm.. beats me... but the high profile of the WRX doesn't seem like it would fair too well

sorry about all the "butt dyno" info.. but that's all i got heheh

but personally, the lower price tag and the greaty utility of the WRX wins me over..... the S2000 would make a GREAT 2nd weekend car (if i had the $)
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Old 10-22-2001, 06:47 AM   #3
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Straight road, WRX no doubt. S2000 is not for straight roads, it's great for handling ex, auto X.
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Old 10-22-2001, 07:15 AM   #4
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I've never driven the S2000 but I can tell you that bone stock S2000's were running VERY well in last weeks AutoX. Kinda made me want one.
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Old 10-22-2001, 07:33 AM   #5
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Depends. 1/4 times I'm not sure on, so I'll pass on that.

Your other test criterion though should be worded more specifically.

An S2000 is a handling car, on a windy road no doubt it will show it's true nature. As has been stated by others above already, the S2000 fares well on corners. However, the WRX is also quite a corner carver, but in stock form tends to understeer. If it was a changing terrain windy road (from smooth to bumpy, etc.) then the WRX would definitely own the S2000.

Both are great cars though I'd have to say. Just depends on what you're looking for. An S2000 is more of a single purpose car...drive it hard...look good...pick up members of the opposite sex....but you probably can't do more than one at a time.

The WRX..well...sedan, wagon, fast, AWD...it's a lot more utilitarian.
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Old 10-22-2001, 09:31 AM   #6
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You guys all talk about the S2k like it's some handling God....Well, it's not, and it's far from it at that. Having owned one previously to the WRX, I can tell you first hand that the WRX, without a question, handles better, especially with the AWD. The S2000 did handle nicely, but you would loose the rear end around every single turn as soon as you come on with the gas; something which never happens with the WRX. When I had switched cars, I was truely amazed at the handling ability of the WRX and its out performance of the S2k.

Regardless, this topic has been beaten to death, so do a search.
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Old 10-22-2001, 11:23 AM   #7
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We see them at the autoxs pretty often around here and I can tell you with the right people driving them they will handily beat a stock wrx on an autox course. Of course the S2000 costs quite a bit more than the wrx and with even half the difference dumped into handling mods it would be pretty close. And they do lose the back end . I would guess the S2000 guys waste at least a couple runs spinning out at the autoxs. 1/4 I would guess the WRX would win that, but the trap speeds of the S2000s are usually higher, so they'd catch up after that.
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Old 10-22-2001, 11:32 AM   #8
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I currently own both of these cars. '00 S2K #580 since 9/18/99 and '02 WRX #11064, purchased on 07/28/02. There is really no comparison. The S2k is a purpose built, high performance sports car, while the WRX is an entry level sedan/wagon that has been modified by the manufacturer for increased performance.

While you can put any two cars through measured performance testing and declare a winner, we all know that owning a car is more about the "driving experience", than raw data.

Road tests by many well known magazines would seem to indicate that the S2K would win the performance tests you are interested in more times than not.

On a top down day, the S2K is my car of choice. On all other days, the WRX is far superior. As a daily driver, the S2K has to be about as bad as it gets, while the WRX really shines.

Enjoy your WRX for the great high performance bargain that it is.
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Old 10-22-2001, 12:15 PM   #9
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I don't know if you can compare these cars. Like JHER said they are totally different. One was made for track days while the other was made for rallying. Two very different venues. I think about the only thing they have in common is a stiffer than average chassis. Even with tons of suspension parts on the WRX you wouldn't get close to the S2000 if it had half of those parts. The price is higher for the S2000 so that definitely goes in the favor of the WRX, along with 4 seat capacity and the cargo space! The S2000 definitely is more purposebuilt than the WRX, though. That being said I think the WRX could keep up on the track, while the S2000 would have no chance in the dirt.

1. Close call
2. S2000
3. S2000 (The WRX is a brick!)


Just get them to race in the rain

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Old 10-22-2001, 12:20 PM   #10
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i just don't see where you people are getting that the s2000 handles so much better than the wrx?????

aov: "Even with tons of suspension parts on the WRX you wouldn't get close to the S2000 if it had half of those parts."

PrinceWRX: "Straight road, WRX no doubt. S2000 is not for straight roads, it's great for handling ex, auto X."
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Old 10-22-2001, 12:45 PM   #11
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Default Re: WRX vs. S2000...

1) in a 1/4 mile drag...

depends

2) windy roads...
depends

3) high speeds(distance-wise)
depends


does that help?
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Old 10-22-2001, 12:47 PM   #12
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how about because its much lighter, much lower, the cg is closer to the middle of the car, its spring/shocked more for performance.....

thats just a start....



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i just don't see where you people are getting that the s2000 handles so much better than the wrx?????

aov: "Even with tons of suspension parts on the WRX you wouldn't get close to the S2000 if it had half of those parts."

PrinceWRX: "Straight road, WRX no doubt. S2000 is not for straight roads, it's great for handling ex, auto X."
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Old 10-22-2001, 12:50 PM   #13
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Hmmmmm i see some people aint driven subaru's like they are meant to be driven

Answers to follow

1. 1/4 miles, this will be close unless its wet and then the subaru will storm it

2. windy roads.... well i can tell you from experience that over here in the uk there aint much that will keep up on a windy road with a scoob, na or turbo
That includes the S2000

3. High speed distance?? not sure what your getting at there but for high speed my turbo eats bigger cars (including M3's with 321bhp ) but then again my car does have 250bhp and is lighter

Hope that helps and no im not being bias its just that the scoob is at home on twisties and thats coming from a guy whos had his turbo over some of the bounciest roads (and twistiest ones too!) in the uk

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Old 10-22-2001, 12:51 PM   #14
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I did some looking on the houston autocross results from last event. The s2000s were all in the 68second range

the stockish wrxs were in the 69second range.

mine was at 65 tho
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Old 10-22-2001, 01:15 PM   #15
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after drivin my sis's S2000 i think the WRX handles better than the S2K....

the S2K handle pretty good too and the 6-speed is cool...
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Old 10-22-2001, 02:06 PM   #16
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I have never driven the Honda and have only tested the WRX. But it seems I've read the s2000 handles as well as the Vette! Who knows? For the money the WRX is an awesome car!


Honda S2000 Specifications
Price: $30,000
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0-30: 2.4 seconds
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Old 10-22-2001, 02:12 PM   #17
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I love these posts. The real answer to your question, depends on who you ask. Go here www.s2000online.com and do a search. You'll see the S2000 trounces the WRX.

I'm probably going to turn my S2000 in for a WRX. The only reason I'm turning my S2000 in is that it just isn't a practical car. I'll tell you one thing, I have only test driven the WRX for about 5 total miles on cars that had very low mileage, but the WRX doesn't "feel" anywhere near as competent to me. But that is probably because the WRX in those short miles just felt huge compared to my tiny S2000.

I really hope the WRX is as competent as everyone here says it is, because then the only time I'll miss the S2000 is when it's 80 and no clouds in the sky!!!

One last thing, who cares, both are fun and fast. Just depends what you want out of your car.

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Old 10-22-2001, 02:16 PM   #18
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Quote:
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Honda S2000 Specifications
Price: $30,000
Performance
0-30: 2.4 seconds
0-60: 6.2 seconds
0-100: 15.6 seconds
0-1/4 mile: 14.8 seconds
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Where are these specs from? I can tell you that the S2000 is normally a low 14s car and with a (very) competent driver it has done a 13.85 completely stock. Just to keep the numbers correct.

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Old 10-22-2001, 02:42 PM   #19
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Where are these specs from? I can tell you that the S2000 is normally a low 14s car and with a (very) competent driver it has done a 13.85 completely stock. Just to keep the numbers correct.

ERIK
i back this up too.
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Old 10-22-2001, 02:45 PM   #20
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TonyBurns - I think you answered your own question. On bouncy roads the WRX will prevail due to the awd.

White4drWRX - what you do you mean by handling? I appreciate your opinion, but I just wonder what you mean by this, because from a technical viewpoint the S2000 suspension is far superior to the Subaru, at least for street/track driving. Just curious.

It would be interesting to see the WRC car in street trim race a S2000 with similar race setup. Anyone have any opinions on who would win!??

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Old 10-22-2001, 02:55 PM   #21
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I think this is a really easy question. In stock forms the S2000 will walk all over the WRX in track conditions. This is a function of the driver and the purpose of the car. The S2000 will punish poor driving and reward good driving. In its element (the track and smooth roads) the S2000 will win. It has more power, less weight, better brakes, and much better tires.

However, the further you get away from the S2000's ideal conditions the more the WRX will shine. The WRX rules the real world where bad roads are the norm and drivers are mostly sub-par. That includes the majority of us. Simply put the WRX can make us mortals feel like God on the roads we drive on every day. Thats what keeps us coming back to the subaru gods for more....
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Where are these specs from? I can tell you that the S2000 is normally a low 14s car and with a (very) competent driver it has done a 13.85 completely stock. Just to keep the numbers correct.

ERIK
I know! it runs 13.8's stock which NO WRX can do. It IS faster period. 0-60 is 5.5. Also on a hwy run it will KILL a WRX. Top end from hell!!! It handles awesomely too (I had one for a day).

I just found the WRX to be more functional. Not only that but, the S2000 isn't mod friendly (it's just about maxed out from the factory).

just keeping things straight.
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Old 10-22-2001, 04:25 PM   #23
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$30,000? In your dreams! You'll be lucky to get one for $32,700 which is MSRP....And your times are WAY off....I know the S2000 does 0-60 in the mid 5's and the 1/4 mile in the low 14's ---and i know this because i previously owned one.

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I have never driven the Honda and have only tested the WRX. But it seems I've read the s2000 handles as well as the Vette! Who knows? For the money the WRX is an awesome car!


Honda S2000 Specifications
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Old 10-22-2001, 04:26 PM   #24
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OVERALL - they are both great cars. and each for something different. I would like to have them both if I could...but I can't afford both the cars, or the insurance, or a place to store the s2k for winter...
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Old 10-22-2001, 04:32 PM   #25
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here is how I see it..
quarter mile, very close.
0-100 mph, s2000.
windy roads, s2000.


S2000 is hard to drive in snow/rain. So I guess you can say we have the advantage there...
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