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11-21-2012, 11:46 PM | #1 | |
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2013 Nissan Leaf
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...-more-or-less/
Time will tell whether these JDM changes make it in full to the (Smryna built?) USDM model. Key changes include: 10% more range, possibly by virtue of strengthened regenerative braking; optional leather upholstery and a Bose stereo; and, possibly most significantly, the substitution of a heat pump in place of a pure resistive heating element. This last is important because the >1 coefficient of performance of a heat pump will halve or perhaps cut by two thirds heating loads and the resultant range loss. In any case, the outside appearance isn't changed. Here's the outside, in case you've been living under a rock, as well as the new interior leather: Other notable vehicles in terms of HVAC: The PHEV Prius prototypes (but not the production model) also employed a heat pump, and the Volvo C30 EV prototypes employ a small biodiesel burner for auxiliary heat, of all things. Finally, the series 200 Land Cruiser and its Lexus cousin boast of the following: Quote:
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11-22-2012, 05:17 PM | #2 |
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I will hold off until the 2014 Outlander PHEV arrives to give that a try. I just dont want to spend that much on a car that I cant take on a road trip and have to constantly worry about being stranded. At least with a PHEV you have the benefit of an electric and the range of a hybrid when you need it.
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11-22-2012, 09:32 PM | #3 |
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Mitsubishi's promotional video for that outlander is awful, but I like the outlander myself as well. Probably cost *pinky $1 million dollars!!!
Shika let us know when Nissan improves the warranty on their battery or at least the thermal management system |
11-22-2012, 09:56 PM | #4 |
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I'm curious to see the Ford Ecoboost 1.0 liter 3 cylinder Fiesta then of course, the Cruze diesel. Some folks are reporting nearly 50 mpg in that new Fusion Hybrid too!
I like that the Leaf is improving, but it's still too many dollarbucks for my consideration. |
11-22-2012, 10:21 PM | #5 | |
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11-22-2012, 10:21 PM | #6 | |
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the idea of a 300 combined hp Outlander with S-AWC that gets 100mpg seems pretty tough to pass on even if it cost more than 40k. Oh and forgot to mention the clean diesel option they will have. |
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11-23-2012, 06:25 AM | #7 | |
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01-09-2013, 01:04 PM | #8 | |
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2013 USDM Nissan LEAF press release Changes: - now built in Smyrna, TN rather than in Japan - new, stripper S trim lacking much of the below - 6.6 kW Level 2 charger - heat pump! - black leather and 17"s - option of the previously-seen-on-Infinitis Around View Monitor - marginally increased range via aero and regeneration, marginally increased cargo volume Pricing TBD. |
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01-09-2013, 02:23 PM | #9 |
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Once range easily, reliably tops 100 miles, I'm in.
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01-09-2013, 03:12 PM | #10 |
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heat pump?
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01-09-2013, 07:22 PM | #11 |
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01-09-2013, 07:58 PM | #12 | |
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That's not happening with the current battery, and, for better or worse, manufacturers have de facto decided that an effective 75 mile range is sufficient. It's probably the right choice in terms of cost of the vehicle, getting the most units out there and in action, etc., but is still kind of annoying. Give me a choice of battery capacities a la Tesla, Nissan!
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As I mentioned in my original post, "[the heat pump] is important because the >1 coefficient of performance […] will halve or perhaps cut by two thirds heating loads and the resultant range loss." A COP of ~3 would imply that powering the heat pump with 1 kW will result in 3 kW of heat transferred from the outside of the car to its interior. Given that heating loads are a major factor in reducing range on EVs this is kind of a big deal, actually. Heated seats and a heated steering wheel reduce the need for warm air, but there comes a point when those tricks cease to work. |
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01-09-2013, 09:42 PM | #13 |
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Looks like COP doesn't go down to 1 until -15C. Source: http://sfbayleafs.org/news/2013/01/2...ct-highlights/ Last edited by shikataganai; 01-09-2013 at 09:49 PM. |
01-14-2013, 11:32 PM | #14 |
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http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/14/n...massive-price/
The base price of the Leaf dropped $6,400 to $28,800. You lose some content, as expected, and don't get the fancy new charger, but this puts the out-of-pocket cost of the car really close to $20K. That makes it a lot more compelling as a commuter car. |
01-14-2013, 11:36 PM | #15 |
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yeah, the local CarMax has a 2012 for $24,000 and change. I think its around a $14K discount from MSRP
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01-14-2013, 11:39 PM | #16 |
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01-14-2013, 11:59 PM | #17 | |
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Here's the link (if it works) http://tinyurl.com/b2q86uw MSRP 38,270 CarMax 24,108 |
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01-15-2013, 12:05 AM | #18 |
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Ah, interesting. I didn't know CarMax did new car sales. I wonder if they're factoring the tax credit into the price. If not that's a pretty good deal.
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06-26-2013, 10:44 AM | #19 | |
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06-26-2013, 01:08 PM | #20 |
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So for $1400 the Sports Reset feature will improve driving characteristics and increase range. At the same time. Right. Those are as mutually exclusive as you're going to get.
But a $7700 aero package, that sounds like a good deal. |
06-26-2013, 03:32 PM | #21 |
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Come on, Nissan. Just extend the damn range.
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06-26-2013, 03:48 PM | #22 | |
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the sports reset turns off the fan, AC, heater, radio, GPS, glove box light, all but one rear LED, both headlights, all interior lights, etc and diverts power to the motor... It is all in the details... |
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