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Old 09-21-2002, 08:40 PM   #1
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Default I love the Silencer Removal!

WOW, What a difference in sound coming from the turbo when the silencer is removed! I can't believe I waited this long to do it! DOH! Oh well.... at least now I can hear my turbo spool up.

Mucho thanks to BeavisNuke to be there to help with the uninstall It was good to have a fellow i-clubber there for support.

Thanks man!

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Old 09-21-2002, 09:02 PM   #2
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iot hasnt affected performance in a negatice way has it? are there any instructions online on how to do this?
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Old 09-21-2002, 09:08 PM   #3
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I agree... you can hear the engine growl more too. I plugged up the resulting hole with that OEM piece to make it nice and clean, too =) Check www.scoobymods.com for the instructions. When you finally see the silencer you think.. man *** was I doing with this on? It looks like it restricts air flow SO MUCH!
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Old 09-21-2002, 10:04 PM   #4
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Yeah, I still have to get that OEM piece to plug up the hole, but for now it's fine.

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[it] hasnt affected performance in a negatice way has it? are there any instructions online on how to do this?
This mod is actually supposed to give you added performance. Who knows though.... no AWD dyno to find out if this is true or not. All I know is it sounds great.

Blue

Edit: And yeah, that damn silencer looks like a freaking cancerous milk jug. HAHA, how that turbo was ever able to breath is beyond me!
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Old 09-21-2002, 10:15 PM   #5
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Actually, I want your stock silencer. I will pay for shipping plus $5.00

I'm serious, pm me if youre willing to sell it to me.
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Old 09-21-2002, 10:23 PM   #6
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Default OEM silencer plug

where did you get the OEM plug for the gaping hole left after removing the silencer? My subaru dealer is clueless...

I just bought a pice of vinyl and cut it to fit and glued it on. works, but would be nice to get something a bit more permanent.

thx,

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EDIT - found it: http://www.subaruparts.com/cart/?pn=pn+46059fa000

also good pics here: http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/sho...=&threadid=179

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Old 09-22-2002, 07:23 AM   #7
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Thanks for the offer, but I'm going to keep it.... some day I may want to go back to bone stock.

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Old 09-22-2002, 09:20 AM   #8
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dear lord, $8 shipping for that $1.50 plug!?
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Old 09-22-2002, 09:24 AM   #9
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Default got mine for..

around 3 bucks. the vendors are raping you guys.
get the part number and call dealership.
46059fa000 list for 2.18, man there bending you
over without taking you to dinner...

you think you hear turbo spool now, wait until
you replace up-pipe, even more swoosh.
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Old 09-22-2002, 11:09 AM   #10
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Once you've removed your snorkle+resonator and pluged that fender hole.....

Where the heck do you think the engine is geting intake air from?????

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Old 09-22-2002, 12:03 PM   #11
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If I call my dealer asking for an OEM plug are they kind of gonna gimmi a... "Why the hell do you need this..are you taking your silencer off..thats going to void your warrenty, etc etc?"

Please email if theres an extended response, I'm on my way to work. thanks much

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Old 09-22-2002, 12:12 PM   #12
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If I call my dealer asking for an OEM plug are they kind of gonna gimmi a... "Why the hell do you need this..are you taking your silencer off..thats going to void your warrenty, etc etc?"
Not likely. If they do, that's when you say "Nevermind, I'll take my business elsewhere." and hang up the phone.
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Old 09-22-2002, 12:16 PM   #13
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Once you've removed your snorkle+resonator and pluged that fender hole.....
Where the heck do you think the engine is geting intake air from?????
Kevin
you know your fender, that has a larger volume than the resonator box, what do you think the resonator was in?
at first galnce, you would think the openings around
the foglights, yes and the even from the wheel well.
even though the wheel well has a liner for the wheel
the air does get in there. the other option was to leave the snorkel, so the supply of air from under front of hood also
helps.

but for those of use that use to plug, it pretty much limits
how much hot air from enginge bay makes it into the fender.
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Old 09-22-2002, 12:19 PM   #14
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Once you've removed your snorkle+resonator and pluged that fender hole.....

Where the heck do you think the engine is geting intake air from?????

Kevin
Think? There's no think. It's coming from the fender well, which is being fed from the front of the car near the foglight on the passenger side. Go stare at the inside front of your hood and the front opening of that wonderful snorkel. Drop the hood down to almost closed and get on your knees and examine things closely. It's not a ram-air setup, FWIW, and it's pretty pathetic.

I'm not saying it's better or worse to be getting the air from the fender well, as I have zero information to back that up, but go take a look and I think you'll be a little less incredulous.

Oh, and also, the next time you do a 30-minute drive or spend 20 minutes in traffic, pop the hood as soon as you end up parking and feel how hot that snorkel is. Nice engine bay temperature air.

You can make your own decision.
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Old 09-22-2002, 01:08 PM   #15
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I know all about how the car is getting air....duh.

There are the little TINY vents in the fender. There are some small gaps in the fender lining, but it is actually pretty well sealed. Do you really think the car can get enough air through those? Really?

The stock intake leaves alot to be desired. No question.

If you think for a while there are plenty of ways to improve things:

- Removing fog light
- Spacing out foglight, demeling out the area in back
- Hacking the bottom of the fender lining
- Velocity stack to stock airbox
- pipe directly from stock snorkle to airbox
- cut top of grill to improve flow to snorkle
- Move top grill forward to improve flow to snorkle

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Old 09-22-2002, 01:17 PM   #16
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Would removing the silencer void warrenty on a 2003 though? I have a 2003
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Old 09-22-2002, 01:47 PM   #17
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I know all about how the car is getting air....duh.
Hey, I don't know what you know and don't know. Your post wasn't a lot to work with.
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There are the little TINY vents in the fender. There are some small gaps in the fender lining, but it is actually pretty well sealed. Do you really think the car can get enough air through those? Really?
Beats me. I don't know that the car can't get enough air through the unaltered fender well either. Do you? You seem to be aware of some factual air deprivation when not using the snorkel into the fender well like the stock setup. Mind sharing that with the thousands of people who've done this mod across the globe with no loss in power?
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If you think for a while there are plenty of ways to improve things:

- Removing fog light
- Spacing out foglight, demeling out the area in back
- Hacking the bottom of the fender lining
- Velocity stack to stock airbox
- pipe directly from stock snorkle to airbox
- cut top of grill to improve flow to snorkle
- Move top grill forward to improve flow to snorkle
[/b]
Sure, but now you're on a completely separate topic, which now is: How to solve the speculated air starvation in the fender well problem OR How to possibly make air flow into the intake system better than stock.

That wasn't the topic you brought up. You suggested (in a very matter of fact way) that removing the snorkel to the fender well would be detrimental (compared to stock) to the air intake volume in some way.

If the car was air-starved compared to stock, you'd know it, with symptoms just like a poorly seated air filter. Has anyone experienced a power loss? I sure haven't. If anything, my throttle responded much like the car breathing quite a bit better when I removed both pieces. Do I recommend it? Nope. I don't not recommend it either. I have nothing to gain by recommending it, and have no proof to back it up whatsoever.

This is pointless. Do what you want. I'm glad you like your setup.
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Old 09-22-2002, 03:53 PM   #18
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Hey, let's start a flame war over things no one has tested or knows about for sure

in true i-club fashion!

rock!

glad you like the snorkel-less intake blue ;o
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Old 09-22-2002, 03:56 PM   #19
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iot hasnt affected performance in a negatice way has it? are there any instructions online on how to do this?
http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/sho...p?threadid=113




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Old 09-22-2002, 04:47 PM   #20
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I liked this mod too.
[cirrus random non-scientific thoughts]
I also don't believe the fender well is airtight. I think there's enough air in there - this isn't a space-shuttle vacuum we're talking about here.
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Old 09-22-2002, 05:21 PM   #21
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From what I can see, the Silencer removal now makes the intake into almost a cold-air/short ram intake. It takes air from both the fender, and under the hood.

Either way, it's good in my book. My turbo sounds like a bad ass, I feel the car pulling harder AND longer, and I haven't had any problems associated with starvation yet either..... Though I am starting to get a little hungry, myself. YAWN.

Guess what all? You're you, and I'm me. Lets say that again, You're you, and I'm me... so you do what you do, and I do what me do

For those that caught that

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Old 09-22-2002, 06:01 PM   #22
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Yawn.....

Yep, I dyno test all the little intake tweaks.....

For something like DIY intake tweaks, all I need is my common sense, and Mechanical Engineering experience to tell me if something *should* work or not.

Just the sliencer removal and fender seal?

Big thumbs down from me.

I personally have the silencer close hacked to the fender wall and sealed to it with foam, spaced fog light, shifted front grill, and a k&N. I'll be doing the velocity stack, and demeling soon.

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Old 09-22-2002, 06:37 PM   #23
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isn't red rocket the guy that dismisses all autometer gauges because of some obscure article, written years ago, that he found on the internet?

yes, listen to him.
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Old 09-22-2002, 07:43 PM   #24
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What exactly in your mechanical engineering experience tells you that this should not work? Unless it's a very tight seal, plenty of air should be able to find its way in. If it were a very tight seal the front of your car would nearly float since if air can't get in water certainly cant. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Old 09-22-2002, 08:02 PM   #25
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i thought shiv ran a wrx with and without a snorkelectomy and he found that the stock setup worked the best and when you removed the snorkel it took away a couple horsepower
at least that is what i remember reading
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