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Old 07-23-2020, 10:55 AM   #2626
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I have started waving to other IS owners, they typically don't wave back, but I get perplexed looks, so there is that.
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Old 07-23-2020, 11:10 AM   #2627
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Honda's current batch of hybrids don't even have transmissions. They're series hybrids, like locomotives.

Do you have a link to reading material on this? I thought they were (finally, as of the last Accord redo) a standard 2 motor TRW design.
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Old 07-23-2020, 04:05 PM   #2628
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Do you have a link to reading material on this? I thought they were (finally, as of the last Accord redo) a standard 2 motor TRW design.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news...n-how-it-works





Looks like the same design as TRW (Toyota/Ford/FCA all using this). Only difference is that instead of one planetary gearset with two motors feeding in there are two gears on the same output shaft as the gas engine. Functionally equivalent, I believe.
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Old 07-28-2020, 09:42 PM   #2629
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The Model S Plaid is going to be incredible. The Model Y doesn't have track mode.

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Old 07-28-2020, 11:25 PM   #2630
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one and a half seconds behind the GT3RS with your crossover

petrol is over. put a fork in it.
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Old 07-29-2020, 07:50 AM   #2631
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one and a half seconds behind the GT3RS with your crossover

petrol is over. put a fork in it.
Over? So I can't go buy a petrol vehicle right now? Please explain you're time frame of over.

I'm not saying EV wont be the primary offerings eventually but saying its over is a far cry in the near to mid term.

And, most people are not tracking their cars.

Also, the Model Y looks like **** compared to a GT3RS.
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Old 07-29-2020, 11:00 AM   #2632
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you can drive anything you want, but don't pretend the tech isn't on its way out.

Like VHS, you may own a lot of good tapes, but even pawn shops won't buy your player in a few years.
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Old 07-29-2020, 11:08 AM   #2633
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you can drive anything you want, but don't pretend the tech isn't on its way out.

Like VHS, you may own a lot of good tapes, but even pawn shops won't buy your player in a few years.
I would like you to see my post again where I stated EV is the next predominate powertrain for vehicles. I swear, a select few of you pick and choose what you read:
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Old 07-29-2020, 11:55 AM   #2634
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What are you talking about?

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you can drive anything you want, but don't pretend the tech isn't on its way out.

Like VHS, you may own a lot of good tapes, but even pawn shops won't buy your player in a few years.
I don't believe the few years part. Hopefully the tree nuts don't put a stupid tax on gas or the vehicles that are propelled by it. Otherwise, we are all going to live in a dystopia of stupidity.. I'm hoping we are a more rational society that can realize the two can live on this side of the pond in normalcy.

California has its own thought process right now...

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Old 07-29-2020, 12:52 PM   #2636
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I don't believe the few years part. Hopefully the tree nuts don't put a stupid tax on gas or the vehicles that are propelled by it. Otherwise, we are all going to live in a dystopia of stupidity.. I'm hoping we are a more rational society that can realize the two can live on this side of the pond in normalcy.

California has its own thought process right now...

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Agreed - until the MSRP of the Chevy bolt/Nissan leaf and/or other future entry level EV's come down significantly (like 1/3rd to 1/2 price reduction), and the public charging infrastructure improves significantly, internal combustion is hanging around.
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I don't believe the few years part. Hopefully the tree nuts don't put a stupid tax on gas or the vehicles that are propelled by it. Otherwise, we are all going to live in a dystopia of stupidity.. I'm hoping we are a more rational society that can realize the two can live on this side of the pond in normalcy.

California has its own thought process right now...

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Not a chance in hell that within 5 years there will be an EV only mandate on new cars. If by some chance in hell it happened, youíd just see used car prices go up and used car sales sky rocket.
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one and a half seconds behind the GT3RS with your crossover

petrol is over. put a fork in it.
I hope you're right, then I might finally be able to afford a 911. I think the looks and sound of the 911 will wipe my tears of 0-60 inadequacy
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I hope you're right, then I might finally be able to afford a 911. I think the looks and sound of the 911 will wipe my tears of 0-60 inadequacy
Iíll take the slower Porsche all day every day. I prefer stylish sophistication matched with that beautiful sounding engine over any computer assisted to hell and back EV.

****, Iíd take a late 70ís - mid 90ís standard 911 over an EV for a fun car.

I still want an EV powered truck though.
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Old 07-29-2020, 05:45 PM   #2640
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I'll take the slower Porsche all day every day. I prefer stylish sophistication matched with that beautiful sounding engine over any computer assisted to hell and back EV.

****, I'd take a late 70's - mid 90's standard 911 over an EV for a fun car.

I still want an EV powered truck though.
Boomer... Roadster for me lol
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Old 07-29-2020, 06:49 PM   #2641
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Boomer... Roadster for me lol
Iím 32 years old. Far off from a boomer.

Buy your roadster, smoke all the Porscheís and not a single **** will literally be given. Buy what you want, take the ego and ram it up the cram hole.
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Old 07-29-2020, 07:24 PM   #2642
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Re: EVs being mainstream and replacing ICEs. Do EVs lose charge residually if the car just sits for extended periods of time? I would imagine yes, as with any battery, correct? How quickly does it lose charge? Is the amount small enough to not be noticeable? How long does it take for an average charge that you'd find at, say, a shopping mall, to top off an EV?

These are all serious questions as I don't know much about EVs besides the fact that my dad has one and the torque and acceleration is insane.

One of the big barriers to EV ownership for me is the fact that I live in an apartment, which obviously comes with its own challenges when it comes to charging. My dad has the luxury of being able to plug in his Model S anytime he's in the garage. I don't. So while I could easily afford a Model 3, the fact that owning one while living in an apartment seems to be a pain in the butt or at the very least pose a great deal of inconvenience for me if I'm always having to go charge it somewhere.

I've also seen videos of EV charging stations with dozens of cars waiting in line at a time. As EVs become more mainstream, there needs to be enough stations in the wild to support them. This is an issue you don't have with ICE cars as not only are gas stations on every street corner (sometimes there are literally 4 on the same corner!), but it also only takes maybe 5 minutes tops to fill even the largest passenger cars. Again, I don't know much about EVs, but it seems like the charging technology is quite a ways away from being able to charge an EV that quickly/do it safely.
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Old 07-29-2020, 08:43 PM   #2643
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Re: EVs being mainstream and replacing ICEs. Do EVs lose charge residually if the car just sits for extended periods of time? I would imagine yes, as with any battery, correct? How quickly does it lose charge? Is the amount small enough to not be noticeable? How long does it take for an average charge that you'd find at, say, a shopping mall, to top off an EV?

These are all serious questions as I don't know much about EVs besides the fact that my dad has one and the torque and acceleration is insane.

One of the big barriers to EV ownership for me is the fact that I live in an apartment, which obviously comes with its own challenges when it comes to charging. My dad has the luxury of being able to plug in his Model S anytime he's in the garage. I don't. So while I could easily afford a Model 3, the fact that owning one while living in an apartment seems to be a pain in the butt or at the very least pose a great deal of inconvenience for me if I'm always having to go charge it somewhere.

I've also seen videos of EV charging stations with dozens of cars waiting in line at a time. As EVs become more mainstream, there needs to be enough stations in the wild to support them. This is an issue you don't have with ICE cars as not only are gas stations on every street corner (sometimes there are literally 4 on the same corner!), but it also only takes maybe 5 minutes tops to fill even the largest passenger cars. Again, I don't know much about EVs, but it seems like the charging technology is quite a ways away from being able to charge an EV that quickly/do it safely.

A couple of weeks ago I was at mission viejo mall and all the chargers were taken and there was 10+ cars waiting... not how I would like to spend my time. athe other issue I have is here in california who wants to outlaw the combustion engine, there has been blackouts at night. The other problem I have is the state gets alot of tax money to fix roads and stuff from gas sales. so the issue I have is that the governemtn will start to tax electricity to "help" pay for the roads that are going to have more damage due to the weight of the cars.
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Iím 32 years old. Far off from a boomer.

Buy your roadster, smoke all the Porscheís and not a single **** will literally be given. Buy what you want, take the ego and ram it up the cram hole.
I know you are younger it was a joke yikes.

This really reminds me of the time paddle shifters and dcts came out so silly
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I know you are younger it was a joke yikes.

This really reminds me of the time paddle shifters and dcts came out so silly
I love how rails on about ego, when most of his posts in this thread are powered by it.
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:30 PM   #2646
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Re: EVs being mainstream and replacing ICEs. Do EVs lose charge residually if the car just sits for extended periods of time? I would imagine yes, as with any battery, correct? How quickly does it lose charge? Is the amount small enough to not be noticeable? How long does it take for an average charge that you'd find at, say, a shopping mall, to top off an EV?

These are all serious questions as I don't know much about EVs besides the fact that my dad has one and the torque and acceleration is insane.

One of the big barriers to EV ownership for me is the fact that I live in an apartment, which obviously comes with its own challenges when it comes to charging. My dad has the luxury of being able to plug in his Model S anytime he's in the garage. I don't. So while I could easily afford a Model 3, the fact that owning one while living in an apartment seems to be a pain in the butt or at the very least pose a great deal of inconvenience for me if I'm always having to go charge it somewhere.

I've also seen videos of EV charging stations with dozens of cars waiting in line at a time. As EVs become more mainstream, there needs to be enough stations in the wild to support them. This is an issue you don't have with ICE cars as not only are gas stations on every street corner (sometimes there are literally 4 on the same corner!), but it also only takes maybe 5 minutes tops to fill even the largest passenger cars. Again, I don't know much about EVs, but it seems like the charging technology is quite a ways away from being able to charge an EV that quickly/do it safely.
My Model 3 sat in the garage for about 3 months during the shelter in place and I only lost 30-20 miles of range and the days I lost the most it was because I got over the air updates. As fast as charging on a standard outlet you will get 3-4 miles per hour, on a NEMA 50amp/level 2 plug you can get 36 miles per hour so overnight you will be charged. With V2 superchargers add about 5 minutes to the V3 supercharging times:


You only have to charge as much as you need

Most of the people charge at home and most of the congestion with Superchargers are from people traveling in California during holidays.

Your assumptions about charging are incorrect. The main challenge with charge rates is mostly because of current battery technology. For me charging my car is more convenient than going to the gas station. I charge at home or at work. EV are not for everyone yet.
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I love how rails on about ego, when most of his posts in this thread are powered by it.
I fail to see how my posts are powered by ego but Iíd gladly love to hear you explain how.
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Iíll take the slower Porsche all day every day. I prefer stylish sophistication matched with that beautiful sounding engine over any computer assisted to hell and back EV.

****, Iíd take a late 70ís - mid 90ís standard 911 over an EV for a fun car.

I still want an EV powered truck though.
in the near future (our lifetimes) the Porsche 911 will be the Miata of sports cars; the one you get because it isn't the fastest, but it's the most fun.

EVs are beginning to make their case as the best choice for performance. Reliable performance. Consistent performance. even (gag) green performance.

also, the EV powered truck will be awesome. all the reasons.
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Like VHS, you may own a lot of good tapes, but even pawn shops won't buy your player in a few years.
Right it was replaced by the DVD and those are hot right now, oh wait... they are obsolete too

Nothing stands still for ever. Gas cars still dominate on infrastructure and usability. That will be the case for 20 -30 more years easily. The EV world cannot get to standardization enough in my mind. That will greatly help them! It will be fun to watch how the transition happens if ever. If battery EV do not get on the main track fast enough, newer tech will pass them up.
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Right it was replaced by the DVD and those are hot right now, oh wait... they are obsolete too

Nothing stands still for ever. Gas cars still dominate on infrastructure and usability. That will be the case for 20 -30 more years easily. The EV world cannot get to standardization enough in my mind. That will greatly help them! It will be fun to watch how the transition happens if ever. If battery EV do not get on the main track fast enough, newer tech will pass them up.
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