Next Gen STI Canceled

[Frank A]

The dream of a Porsche-beating flat 6 Subaru uber-car is now finally, completely, inarguably dead. Other auto makers stuck to the path and we're seeing the last gasp of near-1000 hp gas performance cars, but in hindsight Subaru turned away with the FA engine, which was when I turned away from Subaru. I'll go have a little cry into my scotch now, look for EZ30 parts, and window shop for Porsches I can't afford on BringATrailer.

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[heavyD]

Originally Posted by Frank A

The dream of a Porsche-beating flat 6 Subaru uber-car is now finally, completely, inarguably dead. Other auto makers stuck to the path and we're seeing the last gasp of near-1000 hp gas performance cars, but in hindsight Subaru turned away with the FA engine, which was when I turned away from Subaru. I'll go have a little cry into my scotch now, look for EZ30 parts, and window shop for Porsches I can't afford on BringATrailer.

To be fair that dream was DOA. BMW can't beat Porsche with arguably the best mass produced turbocharged 6 cylinder engines available today. There was no way Subaru of all companies would be able to build an engine or car that could take on even a Macan GTS let alone a Cayman.

[Sid03SVT]

Originally Posted by NighthawkSTI

I AGREE.....MISSED SHIFT! Any engine can spin a bearing , throw a rod, blow a gasket etc. Just operate outside its intended design limits and potentially it goes BOOM!!! I WONDER how.much thise engines and transfere cased cost ??

Sure, any engine can throw a rod operating outside of intended design parameters, but EJs could spin bearings, throw rods, have pistons fail & blow head gaskets all while operating on a stock tune within intended design limits.

Originally Posted by NighthawkSTI

Says it was brand new....looks like catastrophic engine failure, its a what? A corrolla 1.3 liter 3 cylinder with 300+ Horsepower??? ITS GONNA GO BOOM!!.it threw a rod and also blew the transfere case. I would exepect engine rebuilds to be regular maintenance on these if one really wants to drive it at its limits on the plus side, at least the engine can fit in ones pocket so makes it a bit easier to R&R to take it to a shop or just rebuild it in the kitchen sink.

Not going to call out all of the inaccuracies in your statement, but it's a Toyota, not a Subaru, so things like head gasket replacements & engine rebuilds won't be part of regular maintenance.

Based on what the Aussies & Germans have been doing with the GR Yaris for the past couple years, it's going to accept mods well & be reliable. There are very few failures on modified cars and they are valve train related while chasing big power; the only failures on stock cars I've found are from money shifts and again, there aren't many.

Aussies were tracking & drag racing at 500hp on the stock bottom end without issue. They beat the bag out of that engine on the dyno and track chasing power, threw a massive turbo at it pushing double stock boost levels, head didn't lift, head gasket didn't fail; it's just a well designed & overbuilt engine.

As for replacement cost, google it or call a dealer if you're really interested? You appear to have a tentative grasp on using the internet to find information though, so maybe stick with the latter option.

This case specifically, engine-wise it looks to be at least a long block.

[SCRAPPYDO]

Originally Posted by NighthawkSTI

I AGREE.....MISSED SHIFT! Any engine can spin a bearing , throw a rod, blow a gasket etc. Just operate outside its intended design limits and potentially it goes BOOM!!! I WONDER how.much thise engines and transfere cased cost ??

probably less than a battery for a model 3...

[NighthawkSTI]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

but EJs could spin bearings, throw rods, have pistons fail & blow head gaskets all while operating on a stock tune within intended design limits.

well thats ALSO true of any manufacturers engine, in fact its happening to new corvette C 8's.... BMW is also notorious for wiping out engine bearings in several of their engine series even the Supposed better quality M series...very common for them tonchew up and spit out bearings with normal design limit usage...and their engines were extremelynexpensivd to fix. Ej's are not... ...so you see you haven't come up with any epiphany here..nice try to make subarus look worse when in fact they are NOT

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by NighthawkSTI

well thats ALSO true of any manufacturers engine, in fact its happening to new corvette C 8's.... BMW is also notorious for wiping out engine bearings in several of their engine series even the Supposed better quality M series...very common for them tonchew up and spit out bearings with normal design limit usage...and their engines were extremelynexpensivd to fix. Ej's are not... ...so you see you haven't come up with any epiphany here..nice try to make subarus look worse when in fact they are NOT

GRC has a homologation drive train that was developed specifically for racing. This is the first homologation drivetrain (rally) equipped vehicle sold here since the early 90s group A specials we got a taste of.


The guy who blew his motor was racing the car while in break in and absolutely beating on it - he made that video for publicity and maybe Toyota will step in and cover. The engine is an absolute gem, 1.6 L with 300hp is an engineering marvel. Motorsports derived…only someone like yourself and straight6 could talk poorly about it. How embarrassing

[NighthawkSTI]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

GRC has a homologation drive train that was developed specifically for racing. This is the first homologation drivetrain (rally) equipped vehicle sold here since the early 90s group A specials we got a taste of.


The guy who blew his motor was racing the car while in break in and absolutely beating on it - he made that video for publicity and maybe Toyota will step in and cover. The engine is an absolute gem, 1.6 L with 300hp is an engineering marvel. Motorsports derived***8230;only someone like yourself and straight6 could talk poorly about it. How embarrassing

the fact that you think in the year 2023 an engine making 100 horsepower per cylinder is an "engineering marvel" is what is embarrassing lol..in 1980 it would have been. lmfao...i felt dumber just reading that comment but ya obviously it will blow up too....so not really a "marvel". lol..."engineering marvel".....thats funny....its a cute little engine in a fun platform. Other than that? Eh. I bet its expensive when it blows

[D-Rodman]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

Based on what the Aussies & Germans have been doing with the GR Yaris for the past couple years, it's going to accept mods well & be reliable. There are very few failures on modified cars and they are valve train related while chasing big power; the only failures on stock cars I've found are from money shifts and again, there aren't many.



Aussies were tracking & drag racing at 500hp on the stock bottom end without issue. They beat the bag out of that engine on the dyno and track chasing power, threw a massive turbo at it pushing double stock boost levels, head didn't lift, head gasket didn't fail; it's just a well designed & overbuilt engine.

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[chanomatik]

GR Yaris is such a realized car. It still looks great because the body looks like thought was put into it. As much as I enjoy the GR Corolla in concept, overall, compared to the GRY, I find myself disappointed. It feels like an afterthought, regardless of Gazoo Racing claiming they'd always planned on the GRC.

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by D-Rodman

https://youtu.be/MEy0om_6BIA

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Car ran 10s with only a few modifications. That is insane.

[NighthawkSTI]

1990's Mazda 1.3 rotary engines are commonly built to 500-600+ horsepower double the 255-275 horsepower stock output,

people acting like this toyota 3 cylinder is some kind of miracle of engineering lol.


1996 Lotus Esprit....2.2 litre 4 cylinder made 301 horsepower and could approach 170 MPH top speed

Anyone want to try 170 in a Corrolla ?? Probably not the best idea.

[Cowboy Neal]

Genius

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by NighthawkSTI

1990's Mazda 1.3 rotary engines are commonly built to 500-600+ horsepower double the 255-275 horsepower stock output,

people acting like this toyota 3 cylinder is some kind of miracle of engineering lol.


1996 Lotus Esprit....2.2 litre 4 cylinder made 301 horsepower and could approach 170 MPH top speed

Anyone want to try 170 in a Corrolla ?? Probably not the best idea.

1.6L making 187 hp/Liter and 100/cylinder is absolutely bonkers, and it makes sense because it’s a homologation drivetrain. Developed in motorsports.

Yeah it’s just a “Corolla” you are a clueless person.

1996 Esprit you’d **** your pants any speed over 130mph. The Corolla is stable. Delete your account you embarrass yourself with every word you type

By the way your STI is based on an impreza like my two are. You shouldn’t talk about cars because you know NOTHING

[NighthawkSTI]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

1.6L making 187 hp/Liter and 100/cylinder is absolutely bonkers, and it makes sense because it's a homologation drivetrain. Developed in motorsports.

Yeah it's just a "Corolla" you are a clueless person.

1996 Esprit you'd **** your pants any speed over 130mph. The Corolla is stable. Delete your account you embarrass yourself with every word you type

By the way your STI is based on an impreza like my two are. You shouldn't talk about cars because you know NOTHING

Obviously its YOU..the corrolla engine is not "bonkers" , its a cute little engine with strong power buts its not unique at all. YOU have no clue what your talking about. the 1.3 rotary of the 1990's made more power for its size and even more modded......a 1996 LOTUS Esprit S4...is so...SOOO...much more competition ready than a 2023 Corrolla GR. 0-60 ALL THE WAY TO.TOP SPEED the GR corrolla might keep up but would blow the diff before it ever got to 150 as the 1996 Esprit S4 waved bye bye on its blast to 170 MPH. Dude..you are REALLY lacking in your knkwlesge of powerful.small.engine turbo cars, The Esprit S4 would DOMINATE a GR Corrolla, not even to mention that if you park the 2 next to each other the S4 looks like it comes feom the future in 2030! The GR corrolla looks like the hundreds of other cookie cutter cars going bumper to bumper in traffic around rotaries in Europe.at any given.moment.....no one would even see the Coerolla if it were parked next to an S4 ....get outa here man lol

[Sid03SVT]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

1.6L making 187 hp/Liter and 100/cylinder is absolutely bonkers, and it makes sense because it’s a homologation drivetrain. Developed in motorsports.

Yeah it’s just a “Corolla” you are a clueless person.

1996 Esprit you’d **** your pants any speed over 130mph. The Corolla is stable. Delete your account you embarrass yourself with every word you type

By the way your STI is based on an impreza like my two are. You shouldn’t talk about cars because you know NOTHING

Don't feed the troll, ignore his posts, or put him on the ignore list like I and others have done.

A 300hp 1.6L I3T in a mass produced car with a factory 5yr/60k powertrain warranty is pretty bonkers, considering that power level is 2.0L I4T territory for most manufacturers and for Subaru it's a *reference does not exist*.

[Straight6]

Originally Posted by D-Rodman

https://youtu.be/MEy0om_6BIA

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Fantastic stuff. Thanks for sharing. I am surprised that there have been quite a bit of failures but I guess that is to be expected for an engine that is already maxed out from the get go. They are pushing a ton of boost out of the gate without forged internals. It is probably best to enjoy it in stock form until they figure out the tuning. As the saying goes, there is no replacement for displacement.

[chanomatik]

Apparently you didn't watch the video.

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[Straight6]

Apparently you didn’t watch the video.

[19std]

Is it a video about why Subaru hates us?

[chanomatik]

It's a video about how the GR Yaris is uncharted territory and people are making assumptions about how to tune it without properly understanding it. BRZ/86 took a bit to crack too. But I guess it's a bad thing for the GRY/GRC because it makes the WRX look worse.

People on here talking about forged internals when it wasn't even suggested by the tuner in the video. I thought the presentation spelled it out clearly enough.

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[NighthawkSTI]

Originally Posted by Straight6

Fantastic stuff. Thanks for sharing. I am surprised that there have been quite a bit of failures but I guess that is to be expected for an engine that is already maxed out from the get go. They are pushing a ton of boost out of the gate without forged internals. It is probably best to enjoy it in stock form until they figure out the tuning. As the saying goes, there is no replacement for displacement.

lots of blown GR engines and diffs..and its only been out for a few years in limited production...which is why it will stay limited production. That engine won't last 10 years or 100,000 miles before it needs 2 rebuilds.... my 06(Impreza based) STI is at 101,000 enthusiastically driven miles, with doing just the recommended maintenance, doesn't burn or leak oil on the original engine, never been apart except pulled it to do the timing belt and upgrade the clutch...most reliable car I have ever owned and including a V6 Toyota Camry that fell apart after 90,000 miles. My 17 year old STI however looks and runs like its has 2 years and 30,000 miles. Its no wonder GD's are so valuable and highly sought after now. I'm N E V E R selling it lol!!

[carsebuco]

Originally Posted by NighthawkSTI

lots of blown GR engines and diffs..and its only been out for a few years in limited production...which is why it will stay limited production. That engine won't last 10 years or 100,000 miles before it needs 2 rebuilds.... my 06(Impreza based) STI is at 101,000 enthusiastically driven miles, with doing just the recommended maintenance, doesn't burn or leak oil on the original engine, never been apart except pulled it to do the timing belt and upgrade the clutch...most reliable car I have ever owned and including a V6 Toyota Camry that fell apart after 90,000 miles. My 17 year old STI however looks and runs like its has 2 years and 30,000 miles. Its no wonder GD's are so valuable and highly sought after now. I'm N E V E R selling it lol!!

You literally lost all credibility within your first 5 words in this post

You love pulling random stuff out of your arse, huh? Just lol

[NighthawkSTI]

Originally Posted by carsebuco

You literally lost all credibility within your first 5 words in this post

You love pulling random stuff out of your arse, huh? Just lol

umm..no...its quite credible. There are lots of teardown videos of the 3 cylinder Toyotas after being blown up over the the past 2 years....catastrophic failures. Specifically from missed shifts which makes that engine and tranfere case go BOOM. Wake up. Your asleep..wake up...now...wake up..wake up.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by NighthawkSTI

umm..no...its quite credible. There are lots of teardown videos of the 3 cylinder Toyotas after being blown up over the the past 2 years....catastrophic failures. Specifically from missed shifts which makes that engine and tranfere case go BOOM. Wake up. Your asleep..wake up...now...wake up..wake up.

there are lots of tear down videos of a SINGLE GR Corolla engine, all the clips are the exact same engine. no one knows the cause of that failure. and we likely never will.

a grenaded engine from a missed shift isn't a design failure.

if you believe it is, then I really don't care to try and change your mind, you would be the only person that believes that and we will all laugh at you behind your back for saying that, so literally, you're not doing yourself any favors.

[Straight6]

Straight from the video above:

“…we’re been able to find out that there have actually been quite a lot of breakages with these engines. They are very fragile when it comes to knock or detonation. We’ve seen numerous engines now where the pistons have effectively disintegrated from knock. Now it doesn’t take much to get to that point. Typically we see that on 98 fuel…”