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Old 11-16-2021, 03:31 PM   #51
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I think they are for people who think they are off-road people, but never go off-road. That's who the target audience is. They off-road in their dreams. Reality is they sit in drive thrus everyday. But the car, the imagination that they have about it, is they are rock climbing with no rope. Driving their Crosswreck out to a desert with huge pieces of rock. Instead of climb, they make a little fire, and drink Bud Light Seltzers.
So basically just like most mustang GT owners or Porsche owners or corvette owners who dream about driving on the track or at LeMans, but only drive to work and do ride alongs at 45mph.

We are dream a bit when we buy cars. I am personally okay with that. It keep emotion in the equation and that keeps cars more interesting at the very least. If we used logic we would all own Camrys.
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Old 11-16-2021, 04:19 PM   #52
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So basically just like most mustang GT owners or Porsche owners or corvette owners who dream about driving on the track or at LeMans, but only drive to work and do ride alongs at 45mph.

We are dream a bit when we buy cars. I am personally okay with that. It keep emotion in the equation and that keeps cars more interesting at the very least. If we used logic we would all own Camrys.

Poseurs are posers, no matter the make or model.
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Old 11-17-2021, 07:13 AM   #53
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I haven't been off-road or to the track in a long time; I still want something that can get out of it's own way and can be enjoyed on the backroads, and I only want a truck to haul stuff.

Off-roading is expensive, regularly tracking a car is expensive.

I do not have any interest in going off-road in a new/newer vehicle - yeah the crawl control etc. are nice to have, but they are massive & parts are expensive. I'd buy an XJ Cherokee, older taco, or similar, and throw some tires, suspension & diffs at it; that way when it gets beat to hell I'm not worried about it.

I can also tell you I would not want to track one of the modern behemoths available today; too much in consumables, and not enough thought given to cooling or brakes from the factory for actual track work. C5/6 Z06 with gutted interior & upgraded cooling & brakes is about as modern as I'd want to go, and probably the cheapest place to start for a decent track car.

The 3.5L in my IS is "adequate" for it's primary use, but the car has way more chassis than it does engine, and the fact that I put stickier square tires on it doesn't help that discrepancy. Two more cylinders would go a long way to making it more fun; although I'd honestly prefer less weight over more power, but that's not something that is going to happen.

People can buy a car to enjoy without some grand delusion of tracking it/taking it off-road.
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Old 11-17-2021, 07:14 AM   #54
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I haven't been off-road or to the track in a long time; I still want something that can get out of it's own way and can be enjoyed on the backroads, and I only want a truck to haul stuff.

Off-roading is expensive, regularly tracking a car is expensive.

I do not have any interest in going off-road in a new/newer vehicle - yeah the crawl control etc. are nice to have, but they are massive & parts are expensive. I'd buy an XJ Cherokee, older taco, or similar, and throw some tires, suspension & diffs at it; that way when it gets beat to hell I'm not worried about it.

I can also tell you I would not want to track one of the modern behemoths available today; too much in consumables, and not enough thought given to cooling or brakes from the factory for actual track work. C5/6 Z06 with gutted interior & upgraded cooling & brakes is about as modern as I'd want to go, and probably the cheapest place to start for a decent track car.

The 3.5L in my IS is "adequate" for it's primary use, but the car has way more chassis than it does engine, and the fact that I put stickier square tires on it doesn't help that discrepancy. Two more cylinders would go a long way to making it more fun; although I'd honestly prefer less weight over more power, but that's not something that is going to happen.

People can buy a car to enjoy without some grand delusion of tracking it/taking it off-road.
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Old 12-06-2021, 04:58 PM   #55
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https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-s...om-spy-photos/ not a bad render, subaru keeps all changes conservative.
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Old 12-07-2021, 04:42 AM   #56
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I can't imagine there's that much paint on the rear bumper.
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Old 12-07-2021, 10:35 AM   #57
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Old 12-07-2021, 11:08 AM   #58
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https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-s...om-spy-photos/ not a bad render, subaru keeps all changes conservative.
I'm so confused now. Is this new Crosstrek a raised WRX or is the new WRX a lowered Crosstrek? Regardless, the plastic fender flares work much better on this type of vehicle.
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Old 12-07-2021, 11:29 AM   #59
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I'm so confused now. Is this new Crosstrek a raised WRX or is the new WRX a lowered Crosstrek? Regardless, the plastic fender flares work much better on this type of vehicle.
I think technically in your scenario, the new WRX would be a lowered crosstrek, as the crosstrek came first, but it's a sedan instead of a hatch... the crosstrek itself being a raised impreza hatch though...

In reality the new WRX is a modified SGP Impreza (with suspension, brake, powertrain, etc. modifications) and "unique" plastic cladding, and a "unique" front and rear end treatment.

Alternate option: a Levorg S4, but uglier and a sedan, because it's for the USDM.
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Old 12-26-2021, 09:36 AM   #60
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2023 Subaru Crosstrek / XV: Rugged New Looks, Tech And Everything Else We Know

This article contains independent illustrations by CarScoops’ artist Josh Byrnes based on 2023 Subaru Crosstrek / XV prototypes as well as our own intel. The renderings are not related to nor endorsed by Subaru.

Subaru’s Crosstrek, also known in regions outside North America as the XV, has been an absolute hit for the Japanese automaker. Who knew that taking an ordinary Impreza hatch and giving it higher ground clearance with extra cladding would result in sales wonders for Subaru.

Sadly, the current state of affairs isn’t as rosy, especially for Subaru of North America, whose November sales plummeted by 35 per cent compared to last year’s same month. As with other automakers, the semi-conductor shortage is hitting them hard.



Fortunately though, an all-new Crosstrek is on the horizon to rekindle interest – but will it be enough to jump-start sales again? Let’s take a spy-shot based, illustrative deep dive and explore everything we can expect from the new generation model that’s due to arrive within the next year.

A Familiar Face

Dating back to 2017, the current Crosstrek has had subsequent updates helping it stay fresh amongst the ever-increasing competition. Next year’s redesign retains a rugged, evolutionary look – similar to the latest WRX and Levorg wagon.

Frontal styling kicks off with sleek matrix LED headlights intersected by a chrome spear spanning the trapezoidal grille. Lower down, angular fog-light housings and contrasting black cladding add to the frontal dynamism.

Like the new WRX, the flared front and rear fender cladding appear to sport faux vents, and the hindquarters have muscular haunches. The tail lamps have Subaru’s signature c-clamp aesthetic at the back, while the lower portion of the rear bumper has funky cutouts for the reflector lenses.

A Nicer Place To Relax

The next Subaru Crosstrek will likely borrow its interior from the new WRX pictured here



Don’t expect any significant surprises when it comes to the interior. Why? Well, because essentially, it’ll be the same cabin as you will find in the all-new WRX, minus the sporty touches Subaru applied on the performance compact. This is good news, as it will feature an 11.6-inch portrait-style touchscreen with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, a 12.3-inch digital instrument cluster and wireless phone charging.

Safety will be a top priority, too. Here, Subaru’s Eyesight suite of driver assists will include autonomous emergency braking, lane-centering aid, blind-spot monitoring, rear cross-traffic alert, 360-degree camera and a driver attention monitor.

Under The Skin

The new Crosstrek/XV rides upon the same, well-regarded Subaru Global Platform (SGP) as the outgoing car. Revisions to the frontal crash structure and additional torsional stiffness will further benefit the XV’s impressive ride and handling characteristics.

We’ve heard rumors about the current sluggish 2.0-litre boxer four possibly making way for a smaller 1.5-litre turbocharged unit with similar power but more torque. Other likely candidates include the 1.8-litre boxer engine used in the Japanese market, a self-charging hybrid and a carryover 182-hp 2.5-litre non-turbo four for US and Canadian consumption.

As with all Subaru’s bar the BRZ, the Crosstrek puts its power to all four wheels via a continuously variable transmission and X-mode for off-road driving conditions. A ‘Wilderness’ edition with bigger rubber and even higher ground clearance will also appear.

Rivals & Reveal



The Crosstrek / XV’s sits in a highly competitive and crowded compact crossover segment. Main rivals include Toyota’s Corolla Cross, Mazda CX-30, Honda HR-V, Jeep Renegade, Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross, Skoda Karoq, Chevrolet Trailblazer, Hyundai Kona and Kia Seltos (depending on the market, of course).

The new Crosstrek will debut later next year as an MY2023 entrant in North America, and as the 2022 XV in the rest of the world.

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Old 12-26-2021, 02:12 PM   #61
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The article admits that the semi conductor shortage is the reason for a drop in sales then wonders if the new Crosstrek will be "enough" to jump-start sales.


Duh, no. Semi conductors will jump start sales.


Retailers have no inventory and selling their pipeline. There isn't a "need" for a "jump-start" in sales. They just need cars.
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Old 12-26-2021, 06:34 PM   #62
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You're wrong, you schill. You sell Subarus and you don't know how Subaru sales sell. Sales are down because no one wants the remaining zero available Subarus. Give me your job because you're obviously horrible at it.
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You're wrong, you schill. You sell Subarus and you don't know how Subaru sales sell. Sales are down because no one wants the remaining zero available Subarus. Give me your job because you're obviously horrible at it.



Come try it out! lol. Shoot. We're having drastic staffing issues at the dept. I've been getting plenty of overtime through that.
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Old 01-12-2022, 12:45 PM   #64
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