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Old 02-14-2020, 10:37 PM   #101
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I know people, me included, hate it when people just link drop for articles but here is one explaining why we still don't have a manual: https://www.motortrend.com/news/why-...-transmission/
The BMW 6-speed manual can handle extra power just fine so I don't really buy that excuse but the 86 reference does make sense as a 4 cylinder Supra with a manual would cannibalize Toyota 86 sales.
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The engine is coupled to a six-speed manual gearbox – there’s no automatic, both to save weight and because a manual makes it more fun to drive
This is what Toyota said about the Yaris GR4. A purpose built car that competes in a racing series where no manual gearbox is used...yet, YET, it's touted as being used because it's more fun to drive. Was the Supra too lightweight they needed to up the weight? Why isn't it important that an expert driver would set faster times in a slushbox Yaris? Why shouldn't the Supra be fun to drive?

Too many conflicting ideas floating around Toyota. It's like they never actually sat down and mapped this **** out.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:48 AM   #103
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I agree with the different ideologies floating around Toyota. There have been a lot of discussions on how Toyota had to partner with BMW and Subaru to create these sports cars in order to make them a reality (basically costs). But then they essentially came out of nowhere and present the Yaris GR4, which is different enough from the regular Yaris that they need to sell 25,000 of this for homologation.

Some reports indicate that Toyota/BMW developed or at least tested a MT for the Supra, so maybe that will be a special model in the future.

While the Yaris GR4 coming here could be a long shot. It could spawn a Corolla GR4 or in American fashion, a C-HR GR4.

The other thing Toyota needs to deal with, especially in the U.S. is having GR and TRD brands coexist. TRD has a following for their Trucks and SUV's (and oddly now the Camry and Avalon). But GR is now popping up with rumors saying the 86 will be renamed as GR86.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:50 AM   #104
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The BMW 6-speed manual can handle extra power just fine so I don't really buy that excuse but the 86 reference does make sense as a 4 cylinder Supra with a manual would cannibalize Toyota 86 sales.
Correct. The 6 speed in the M3 can handle gobs of power with a proper clutch. The trans can take one hell of a beating. Hell, the e46 M3 manual could north of 600whp all day er day.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:44 PM   #105
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Some reports indicate that Toyota/BMW developed or at least tested a MT for the Supra, so maybe that will be a special model in the future.
In the article I link, Tada stated he drove the Supra with a manual and didn't care for it. So they definitely built one.

I think we'll still see one, and I think they are building hype.

"Well, after a lot of consideration, and testing, we've decided to release a special edition manual Supra"

I also wonder if BMW is influencing the auto only so people will go BMW for the stick option?
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Old 02-15-2020, 03:03 PM   #106
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Since the 230 has an available manual transmission, it wouldn't be a surprise that a manual is available for the 4 banger Supra.

But a manual is not available on the Z4 and a manual is available on the M240i. . . so who knows.
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2900 Supras sold in the US. I can't tell if that's awful after all the hype and wait or whether it's more than Toyota expected being it's a polarizing looking $60k slushbox BMW coupe sold at a Toyota dealer.
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That seems like decent sales for a $60k Toyota.
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Default 2021 Toyota Supra Now Rated At 382 HP; 255 HP Four-Cylinder Model Comes to America Ja

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2021 Toyota Supra Now Rated At 382 HP; 255 HP Four-Cylinder Model Comes to America. Good things come to those who wait.

The return of the Supra nameplate was a big freaking deal last year, one that caused us to write endlessly about the many rumors surrounding the pseudo-Japanese sports car, and even made someone shell out $2.1 million for the very first 2020 year-model. Now, however, there's a new 2021 model coming soon that offers more power, more tech, and even a four-cylinder engine, so whoever paid big markups for last year's model might just be banging their heads against the wall right now.

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2021 Toyota GR Supra Lineup
True to rumors, the four-cylinder "GR Supra 2.0" is here, and it'll be sold in the U.S. We cheekily refer to it as swap-spec because Supra project lead Tetsuya Tada begged aspiring tuners to use this reduced-cost model as the basis for their 2JZ-GTE swaps, but after seeing its performance figures, we're not 100 percent sure swapping's necessary. Its turbocharged 2.0-liter engine produces 255 horsepower and 295 pound-feet of torque, which it sends to the rear wheels through the same eight-speed automatic transmission as the 3.0-liter car. This allows the four-cylinder Supra to scoot from zero to 60 mph in five seconds flat and onto a top speed of 155 mph, neither of which are shabby specs for a four-banger sports car.

Let's not kid ourselves, though. Everyone would rather have the 3.0-liter model, which receives serious upgrades for the 2021 model year. Its tunable, twin-turbo BMW B58 inline-six has a new exhaust manifold design and reduced-compression pistons that enhance its ability to withstand boost, which permits the extraction of three extra pound-feet of torque and 47 more horsepower. That's now 382 horse in total, or enough to rocket the three-liter Supra to 60 mph in just 3.9 seconds. The chassis gets some love too; with its power steering and stability control recalibrated, its shocks retuned, and its frame stiffened via the addition of aluminum strut braces.

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2021 Toyota GR Supra 2.0

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2021 Toyota GR Supra 3.0 Premium
Every 2021 model from base trim to top now features a standard 8.8-inch touchscreen, with the base 6.5-inch screen from the 2020 model gone entirely. A Safety and Technology Package offers dynamic radar cruise at all speeds up to the GR Supra's limited top speed of 155 mph, a 12-speaker, 500-watt JBL audio suite, Apple CarPlay, and of course, all the safety tech required to make your mother fret less about you buying a sports car.

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A 1,000-unit A91 Edition will be available this model year with an exclusive "Refraction" paint color, a carbon fiber ducktail and mirror caps, C-pillar graphics, and a reworked interior with pretty blue upholstery stitching. These and other super-duper 2021 Toyota GR Supras are scheduled to hit American dealers in June, and pricing hasn't yet been announced. You won't be square if you won't be there, though—as nobody could fault you for wanting to see how the next Nissan Z will measure up.

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A Hotter Toyota Supra GRMN With 400 HP Could Be In the Works: Report
And a report out of Japan suggests its arrival isn't far away.

Less than a year after beginning production on the revived Supra, Toyota may already be working on a high-performance GRMN version if a new report out of Japan is to be believed. According to Best Car Web, a 'roided-up Supra will drop sometime in the next two years rocking a turbocharged, 3.0-liter straight-six producing close to 400 horsepower.

For reference sake, the Supra we have now officially puts out 335 horses, a figure widely understood to be conservative because when Car and Driver strapped it to a dyno last May, they found it to make 339 hp at the wheels—and obviously more at the crank after compensating for drivetrain loss.

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Not surprisingly, Best Car Web goes on to allege that the racier Supra will also come with a lighter curb weight thanks to carbon fiber parts, a stiffer, more reinforced body, as well as better suspension. It'll also apparently command a higher price and get more aggressive cosmetics with the report being accompanied by a rendering of a Supra featuring a big carbon rear wing, a reworked, bigger-intaked front fascia, and a new vented hood. Typical high-po variant stuff. Oh, and in case you're wondering, GRMN stands for "Gazoo Racing tuned by Meister of Nürburgring" and denotes the highest GR-tuned variant of a given Toyota road car.

While the BCW rumor should be treated as just that—a rumor—it isn't without merit. Speaking to Autoblog last summer, Supra chief engineer Tetsuya Tada said the sports car would be updated with new, shinier, and higher-performing versions "pretty much every year." What's more, aftermarket tuners have already squeezed up to 420 hp out of the regular Supra's current straight-six with just simple ECU tunes and a couple of pieces of upgraded respiratory hardware. All things considered, an imminent 400-hp GRMN Supra isn't all that far-fetched.

When Toyota was asked for a comment on the rumor a spokesperson claimed that they're "not aware of any plans for a GRMN Supra."
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