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Old 09-20-2016, 12:07 PM   #601
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I would agree...

BTW Im the one that just bought the gtx3071r that used to be on the low mount shop car...
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:38 PM   #602
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Edited The dump tube that comes on your existing EWG up-pipe should be fine.
I said "dump pipe", didnt mention the ewg dump tube I understand the ewg has to be setup ourselves after purchase.
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:41 PM   #603
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Default Killer B OEM-ish TURBO Kit GTX3067-R with Tial Turbine Housing 'The Spoolinator'

Regardless the spoolinator kit is an awesome kit, was about to pull the trigger on one but ended up going rotated. Was just a personal goal of mine that I've wanted to do for years.
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:57 PM   #604
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On the Downpipe, it really depends on whose rotated kit you're comparing. Typically the larger the turbo the higher and more rotated they are. With that comes a sharper bend at the downpipe. Some even have mitered sharp bends which is about the least ideal thing you can do. A good thing to also remember is poor characteristics on the hot side have a more pronounced effect on efficiency than poor characteristics on the cold side. IMO, this means the exhaust side of things takes priority in the layout of the design.

While I've seen rotated kits produce similar power figures, I've not seen them produce similar power bands (usable power), or width of the power curve. This is likely due to the Tial housing, smaller pre-turbo volume, and more ideal conditions at the turbine exit. Response improvements via OEM/TMIC location are subject to debate as power levels can be at a point where a TMIC can be overwhelmed due to size constraints. We've not tested the kit with a FMIC, but the response and cooling differences with that change are well documented.
This is the info I am after here.

1. Tial Housing - yup understood and most of the rotated turbo kits seem to be flanged not vband, so I dont see how you could run a tial housing on an existing rotated kit unless you did it custom, so that is a difference.

2. Smaller pre-turbo volume
Is this because the turbo up pipe is shorter in an OEM location compared to a rotated location?

3. More ideal turbine exit conditions:
Just had a quick look at a few rotated kits and the angle of the dump pipe doesnt seem any sharper. The angle does happen straight away in the rotated kits whereas the spoolinator has a short section of straight first which is good. Im not seeing a huge difference though.
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:59 PM   #605
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Regardless the spoolinator kit is an awesome kit, was about to pull the trigger on one but ended up going rotated. Was just a personal goal of mine that I've wanted to do for years.
Absolutely, I love Killer B products and already have a lot of them. This is not a criticism at all, I am just trying to get a better understanding.
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Old 09-20-2016, 11:23 PM   #606
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Definitely man! Didn't think you were criticizing at all .

Also on the tial housing, i run a tial housing on my rotated setup, and it is v band in and out. (Ets kit)
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Old 09-21-2016, 10:32 PM   #607
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Looking at the ETS kit yeah there is some reasonably sharp bends at the downpipe:
http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/E...-Kit-SKU1.html
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Old 09-22-2016, 03:51 AM   #608
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Yes, there is a sharp bend right off the turbo
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Old 09-22-2016, 07:58 AM   #609
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1. Tial Housing - yup understood and most of the rotated turbo kits seem to be flanged not vband, so I dont see how you could run a tial housing on an existing rotated kit unless you did it custom, so that is a difference.
Yes. The Tial housing is a performance oriented housing vs many bolt-on housings that are adapted from OEM applications. Exactly what this hit is trying to avoid, OEM design compromises.

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2. Smaller pre-turbo volume
Is this because the turbo up pipe is shorter in an OEM location compared to a rotated location?
Correct. The shorter the pre-turbo, the faster you build pressure in the manifold. The shorter the post turbo, the less backpressure.

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3. More ideal turbine exit conditions:
Just had a quick look at a few rotated kits and the angle of the dump pipe doesnt seem any sharper. The angle does happen straight away in the rotated kits whereas the spoolinator has a short section of straight first which is good. Im not seeing a huge difference though.
If you compare to rotated kits (the ETS kit Harey poste for example) you'll notice a couple things. One is that the up-pipe has a bend right at the turbine entrance, and the other is the bend right at the exit. The sharp bend is hidden behind the turbo where the parts are all laid out, but in the engine bay short you can see exactly how sharp and immediate that bend is. The straighter the path going in and out of the turbine the more ideal and efficient the flow. If you are a super dork like myself, you start calculating flow potential based on sharpness and number of degrees in bends. Obviously the further from straight you go, the less flow potential and increased turbulence. The sharpness of a bend also plays a role as well. We use non-standard large radius bends vs the more common (and less expensive) 1D bends. Again, the sharper the bend, the more turbulence and less flow potential. FYI a 1D bend is 1 x diameter, so a 3" OD tube has a 3" center line radius. A 2D bend would be a 6" center line radius. We avoid 1D bends since they are the poorest flowing.

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Looking at the ETS kit yeah there is some reasonably sharp bends at the downpipe:
http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/E...-Kit-SKU1.html
For comparison, you can see how the up-pipe has some straight to it before the turbine (as most OEM location up-pipes do), and the down-pipe is significantly straighter, with a larger free flowing radius, than a rotated setup.

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Old 09-22-2016, 08:58 AM   #610
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Great info, thanks for that. There is much more to it than just being able to reuse your existing intercooler pipes and intake!

On your website it mainly mentions that it's cheaper than a rotated kit, should get some of this great performance based info on there. Generally people at this level of mods are more focused on performance than saving a few bucks. Even if it was the same price I would prefer this kit over a rotated one due to the performance advantages. Yes rotated looks awesome but im a function over form guy.

Has anyone used one of these on a RHD?

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Old 09-27-2016, 03:43 PM   #611
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So I finally got my setup tuned today!!! 9/15/16

Let me say I was hesitant with all the negative stories about the GTX3076R and it's mismatched housings, however the setup really blew past my expectations. I'm almost 100% confident the housing makes all the difference in efficiency.

Car Setup as follows: ( Some stuff may be missed)

IAG Stage 2 Tuff short block
Stock rebuilt heads
Spoolinator gtx3076R .82 housing
Perrin 3 inch inlet
IAG Fuel Rails
ID1300 injectors
DW300C fuel pump (hardwired)
IAG TGV deletes
Grimmspeed Top Mount (boost > power)
Speed density sensor mounted into TMIC
IAG AOS
Aeromotive FPR and Fuel lines
Gtspec II UEL headers
IAG uppipe w/ 38mm EWG

Power: While I don't have the charts just yet, I have numbers!

JR Tuned @ PrimeMotoring

Pump Gas 93 saw 450whp / 450Wtq with ~20psi hitting at 3900rpms

E85 saw 550whp / 554wtq making 25psi @4200rpms

The car was a blast to drive for all of 7 miles before I had a clutch failure we're trying to sort out.. Doesn't disengage from gear all the time, making gear changes a gamble if driving it hard. So basically I've been limping it around until I have the time to get it apart. Luckily it happened after all the tuning was completed! #racecarproblems
I had that issue. clutch broke in half lol
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Old 09-28-2016, 10:48 AM   #612
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Initial and followup break-in oil changes performed. A few more miles and then another oil change...
Then tuning for my GTX3576 Spoolinator with IAG Stage V heads on e85 and 93.
Presuming Jr's and Prime's schedule is open, I'm hoping for October 8th but no confirmation yet.
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Old 09-28-2016, 12:50 PM   #613
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I'm having Jr tune my spoolinator build this coming Wednesday!
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Old 09-28-2016, 01:12 PM   #614
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I'm having Jr tune my spoolinator build this coming Wednesday!
Bad ass!! Can't wait to see the #'s.
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Old 09-28-2016, 01:25 PM   #615
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I'm having Jr tune my spoolinator build this coming Wednesday!
Besides the 3576, what else are you running? Which TMIC? Headwork? Fueling? Please post the results when done
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Old 09-28-2016, 02:07 PM   #616
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Anyone have a dyno plot for this setup with a GTX3071 or GTX3076R? Preferably on a built motor?
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Old 09-28-2016, 04:43 PM   #617
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Initial and followup break-in oil changes performed. A few more miles and then another oil change...
Then tuning for my GTX3576 Spoolinator with IAG Stage V heads on e85 and 93.
Presuming Jr's and Prime's schedule is open, I'm hoping for October 8th but no confirmation yet.
Hurry up already

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Anyone have a dyno plot for this setup with a GTX3071 or GTX3076R? Preferably on a built motor?
Post 611 has data for on the 3076.
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Old 09-28-2016, 11:15 PM   #618
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Anyone have a dyno plot for this setup with a GTX3071 or GTX3076R? Preferably on a built motor?
Expect about 300-500rpm later spool and 50whp more peak power on E85.
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:44 PM   #619
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later spool? do you mean earlier?
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:59 PM   #620
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Expect about 300-500rpm later spool and 50whp more peak power on E85.
In comparison to what? 3067 vs 3076?
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Old 09-29-2016, 06:26 PM   #621
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In comparison to what? 3067 vs 3076?
Opps. Sorry, lack of sleep affecting thought processing Expect the GTX3067R to spool 200-300rpm faster than the GTX3071R. And GTX3071 about 300-500rpm faster than the GTX3076R. Give or take a hundred.
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Old 09-29-2016, 06:49 PM   #622
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Oh I see. the different turbo spools slower, not the same turbo spools slower on e85.

I was going to say...
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Opps. Sorry, lack of sleep affecting thought processing Expect the GTX3067R to spool 200-300rpm faster than the GTX3071R. And GTX3071 about 300-500rpm faster than the GTX3076R. Give or take a hundred.
Gotcha, thanks. If I wanted full boost by 3800 what would be the "ideal" turbo? I'm running a Dom 2.5 XT-R right now and making good power but the turbo is out of breath above 6000 with my heads+cams, and this setup has me intrigued.
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Old 09-30-2016, 01:49 AM   #624
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So I finally got my setup tuned today!!! 9/15/16

Let me say I was hesitant with all the negative stories about the GTX3076R and it's mismatched housings, however the setup really blew past my expectations. I'm almost 100% confident the housing makes all the difference in efficiency.

Car Setup as follows: ( Some stuff may be missed)

IAG Stage 2 Tuff short block
Stock rebuilt heads
Spoolinator gtx3076R .82 housing
Perrin 3 inch inlet
IAG Fuel Rails
ID1300 injectors
DW300C fuel pump (hardwired)
IAG TGV deletes
Grimmspeed Top Mount (boost > power)
Speed density sensor mounted into TMIC
IAG AOS
Aeromotive FPR and Fuel lines
Gtspec II UEL headers
IAG uppipe w/ 38mm EWG

Power: While I don't have the charts just yet, I have numbers!

JR Tuned @ PrimeMotoring

Pump Gas 93 saw 450whp / 450Wtq with ~20psi hitting at 3900rpms

E85 saw 550whp / 554wtq making 25psi @4200rpms

The car was a blast to drive for all of 7 miles before I had a clutch failure we're trying to sort out.. Doesn't disengage from gear all the time, making gear changes a gamble if driving it hard. So basically I've been limping it around until I have the time to get it apart. Luckily it happened after all the tuning was completed! #racecarproblems
Please please get a dyno plot! I'm planning the exact same build with IAG now and just discovered the SPOOLINATOR. Looks so damn superior to anything else in its class. If you can't get a plot, do you know when you hit max boost/tq/hp? Thanks!
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Old 09-30-2016, 06:19 PM   #625
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Finally pulled the trigger on a 3076 Spoolinator kit. Talking to my mechanic; John at InFront Automotive, he convinced me to go with a GTX3076 despite it being "mismatched".

Once he gets his hands on the kit, the Turbo goes ships out to Turbo-Resource for blueprinting.

To much further augment this setup I am doing a AWIC setup.

NASIOC member: dstroy used the exact AWIC unit that I am using except he was rotated...

Killer B Spoolinator plus an aftermarket AFCO Heat Exchanger for 03-04 Mustangs, below the bumper beam should be amazing (crosses fingers, even though heat capacity should be more than OK)

BTW don't buy from ww.americanmuscle.com they will spam the Hell out of your email inbox more than anything I have ever experienced. Ugh!!

InFront uses a MainLine Dyno. AKA Heartbreaker!

I also installed a trunk mounted reservoir that holds 2.6 gallons. All together the system (as I measured, plus a calculated hose capacity, and actual measurements of the AWIC and heat exchanger) equals 4.0 gallons plus or minus 0.2 gallons.

Original brain starter:

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/water-me...-ic-build.html


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Will post results. I hope within a month from now.
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