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Old 04-13-2018, 04:46 PM   #451
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I think anger is the wrong word. Nothing about Tesla angers me. The holier than thou attitude of most of the owners i have met is a bit annoying, but not angers. What you see happening here is people who love the idea of an EV get furious at people calling their baby ugly, so they lash out with names and labels and such.

Every legitimate critique is downplayed or called hate or anger.

Every logical issue that faces the car is deemed not important.

All dissenting opinions are squashed and only good news is allowed to be reported or heard. That is just not the way the world works.

The people who do not want an EV are doing more good to help EV than the blind followers are. They are forcing the product to be better, demanding it is not yet good enough. Early adopters are just prolonging a substandard product, however, I will admit without early adopters, no other products would exist.

so pick a side. Support early vehicles even if they are too expensive, lack range, lack good looks, lack any fun, and keep the company afloat... or point out all weaknesses and bring them into a very bright spotlight and force them to do better.

At the end of the day EV shortcomings are real, and whether you choose to accept them or call them out it does not matter


Because at the end of the day both lead to a better product.
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Elonís claiming Tesla will be profitable by Q3 or Q4 and that they will not be needing to issue more shares. Letís hope thatís true.
Adjusting Elon time to real-world time that's Q3 of 2019.
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juan I saw my first 3 today, silver. It looked pretty good in person.
Is like a mini Tesla S ... Love it.

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Also the perspective of sheep, just the other side. Divide and conquer - like the Jedi mind trick, it only works on the feeble. All arguments in our society (funny everything is an argument) play out the same way now, and neither side have any impact on the wolves.
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Are there any videos of Tesla throwing down road coarse lap times and comparing it to vehicles similar in the price range?
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Are there any videos of Tesla throwing down road coarse lap times and comparing it to vehicles similar in the price range?
This Video Reminds Us That the Tesla Model S Is an Awful Track Car

Car and Driver's P85D Model S could barely get through one lap at Virginia International Raceway.


http://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/th...wful-track-car
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This Video Reminds Us That the Tesla Model S Is an Awful Track Car

Car and Driver's P85D Model S could barely get through one lap at Virginia International Raceway.


http://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/th...wful-track-car

This is probably one of many ways Porsche's new model S competitor will outshine the Tesla.
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This Video Reminds Us That the Tesla Model S Is an Awful Track Car

Car and Driver's P85D Model S could barely get through one lap at Virginia International Raceway.


http://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/th...wful-track-car
Who gives a flying f except haters?
The Teslas werenít designed to be track cars. They were designed to be fast daily drivers. Why do we have to go through this all over again? Somebody buying heavy sedans to be a track car sounds stupid, even if they are gasoline powered.

You know how many people go a track with turns? Less than 1% of buyers of anything. Itís point something of 1% actually. The only place track performance matters is fantasy land and Internet forums.
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Who gives a flying f except haters?
The Teslas werenít designed to be track cars. They were designed to be fast daily drivers. Why do we have to go through this all over again? Somebody buying heavy sedans to be a track car sounds stupid, even if they are gasoline powered.

You know how many people go a track with turns? Less than 1% of buyers of anything. Itís point something of 1% actually. The only place track performance matters is fantasy land and Internet forums.
Couldn't the same be said with "who cares how fast a daily driver is?" I mean, assuming were all law abiding citizens who are not red light racers you can only go so fast on public streets and highways. Flooring it from a light or got WOT on city streets can often be cited for exhibition of speed.

We always see tests of Tesla Model XYZ versus XYZ car 1/4 mile so I think it's fair enough to see how the car stacks up on a track course against similar sport sedans in its price range. Just for the record, I'm not hating and was purely curious if a Tesla has been through the paces on the track and how it did. No real reason to get uppidy about it.
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I had a thought today as I say a model S pull across the street. I was thinking if I could get an EV make the sound of Millennium falcon when I pull away every single time I could probably get on board... LOLOL.. seriously.. that would be cool...
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I had a thought today as I say a model S pull across the street. I was thinking if I could get an EV make the sound of Millennium falcon when I pull away every single time I could probably get on board... LOLOL.. seriously.. that would be cool...
It can be done. Do you want it inside the car, or out for everyone to hear.
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Couldn't the same be said with "who cares how fast a daily driver is?" I mean, assuming were all law abiding citizens who are not red light racers you can only go so fast on public streets and highways. Flooring it from a light or got WOT on city streets can often be cited for exhibition of speed.

We always see tests of Tesla Model XYZ versus XYZ car 1/4 mile so I think it's fair enough to see how the car stacks up on a track course against similar sport sedans in its price range. Just for the record, I'm not hating and was purely curious if a Tesla has been through the paces on the track and how it did. No real reason to get uppidy about it.
Itís a STUPID argument for trolls, and Internet forum fantasy land period. Do you know what the percentage is of Johnny Stop Light or Johnny Speeds on Highway vs. Johnny trackday? I see plenty of people speeding on a daily basis, street or highway. Every drive I make. Less than point something of 1% of drivers go to a track. So itís irrelevant. If some EV manu makes a Miata like roadster, coupe, whatever, and markets it as a weekend track car, etc, then you are talking. Until then itís just stupid. They test the new Prii or Civics, 0-60 mph, 1/4 mile times, etc when a new model debuts. Are you analyzing their track times and busting their balls? Nah, you arenít. Iím sure there is a 30k Civic or Prius that the owner could have bought a Miata, BRZ, or WRX instead, for same money. All of a sudden because the Prius costs the same it is discarded due to lap time?

What about your truck dude? Iím sure you could quickly google the 1/4 mile time of it, and 0-60 mph time, etc, but good luck with a road course time. What would be the point? Plenty of 50k $, 60k trucks out there, should we be comparing their lap times with vehicles that cost the same?

Itís dumb to siphon everything through a track debate. Itís actually comical
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Hmmm, was just reading that Elon has been sleeping at the factory for a while too.....
https://carbuzz.com/news/elon-musk-a...tion-slow-down

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Human workers serve a purpose after all.

By now weíre all familiar with the production hell plaguing the Tesla Model 3. Going from smaller scale luxury sedan and SUV production to a mainstream vehicle is not easy, as Tesla is still learning. Even CEO Elon Musk admitted the production process has fallen short in a recent interview with CBS News. Musk invited ďCBS This MorningĒ host Gayle King on a tour of the Silicon Valley factory, the first time mainstream network cameras were allowed to see the production line.

ďI'm definitely under stress, so if I seem like I'm not under stress then I'm gonna be clear, I'm definitely under stress," Musk told King. But whatís really interesting is Muskís acknowledgement that robots actually slowed down the Model 3 production process.

ďYes, they didÖ We had this crazy, complex network of conveyor beltsÖ And it was not working, so we got rid of that whole thing," Musk said. Yes, humans can work faster than robots on some circumstances, such as this. When it became clear Model 3 production quotas were not being met by the stated deadlines, Musk took over the production line earlier this month, and often times pulls all-nighters and, when thereís time, sleeps at the factory. ďWhen things get really intense, I don't have time to go home and shower and change, so I just sleep here," Musk told King, showing her a conference room with a couch. Last time I was here, I actually slept literally on the floor, 'cause the couch was too narrow," he said.

Musk needs to prove to shareholders and industry analysts that Tesla will come through on its production promises, even if those promises arrive six to nine months later than originally stated. Because of him personally taking charge, things seem to be better than they were just a few week ago. ďWe were able to unlock some of the critical things that were holding us back from reaching 2,000 cars a week. But since then, we've continued to do 2,000 cars a week," he said. Check out the full interview in the video above. The situation seems to be better now, but as weíve learned in the past, donít underestimate Tesla and its founder.
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Itís a STUPID argument for trolls, and Internet forum fantasy land period. Do you know what the percentage is of Johnny Stop Light or Johnny Speeds on Highway vs. Johnny trackday? I see plenty of people speeding on a daily basis, street or highway. Every drive I make. Less than point something of 1% of drivers go to a track. So itís irrelevant. If some EV manu makes a Miata like roadster, coupe, whatever, and markets it as a weekend track car, etc, then you are talking. Until then itís just stupid. They test the new Prii or Civics, 0-60 mph, 1/4 mile times, etc when a new model debuts. Are you analyzing their track times and busting their balls? Nah, you arenít. Iím sure there is a 30k Civic or Prius that the owner could have bought a Miata, BRZ, or WRX instead, for same money. All of a sudden because the Prius costs the same it is discarded due to lap time?

What about your truck dude? Iím sure you could quickly google the 1/4 mile time of it, and 0-60 mph time, etc, but good luck with a road course time. What would be the point? Plenty of 50k $, 60k trucks out there, should we be comparing their lap times with vehicles that cost the same?

Itís dumb to siphon everything through a track debate. Itís actually comical
I think you might be the only one debating or having an issue with me simply asking how it does on a track out of pure curiosity. I wasnít trying to compare to another cars track time or anything close, it was simply a question of pure curiosity to see what the performance / experience is like with it being on a track.

And yes, I think itís worth seeing it be put on a track since itís a new technology thatís rather fast and seeing how the motor and battery holds up as EV sports cars will likely be in the near future and if there were issue with the motor and or battery under heavy stress levels, it would help prevent that in future models.

I think ya need to calm the tits a little and not have the Jimmie rustled if someone asks a simple question about the vehicle.

FYI, I donít think Ford really markets the F150 as a fast vehicle. The pretty much just shove it down everyoneís throat that itís the best selling truck for the last however many years and that Jesus would buy one if he were alive.
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I had a thought today as I say a model S pull across the street. I was thinking if I could get an EV make the sound of Millennium falcon when I pull away every single time I could probably get on board... LOLOL.. seriously.. that would be cool...
lol I thought of this wh3n I read your comment..


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Itís a STUPID argument for trolls, and Internet forum fantasy land period. Do you know what the percentage is of Johnny Stop Light or Johnny Speeds on Highway vs. Johnny trackday? I see plenty of people speeding on a daily basis, street or highway. Every drive I make. Less than point something of 1% of drivers go to a track. So itís irrelevant. If some EV manu makes a Miata like roadster, coupe, whatever, and markets it as a weekend track car, etc, then you are talking. Until then itís just stupid. They test the new Prii or Civics, 0-60 mph, 1/4 mile times, etc when a new model debuts. Are you analyzing their track times and busting their balls? Nah, you arenít. Iím sure there is a 30k Civic or Prius that the owner could have bought a Miata, BRZ, or WRX instead, for same money. All of a sudden because the Prius costs the same it is discarded due to lap time?

What about your truck dude? Iím sure you could quickly google the 1/4 mile time of it, and 0-60 mph time, etc, but good luck with a road course time. What would be the point? Plenty of 50k $, 60k trucks out there, should we be comparing their lap times with vehicles that cost the same?

Itís dumb to siphon everything through a track debate. Itís actually comical
I have to agree with you. More people care about straight light acceleration than track performance. And like you said is easy to do, on the street for free or at the tons of dragstrips available for a few bucks. It took me 7 years to go to a road coarse since I been messing with cars. It just not convenient, expensive and intimidating.


godfather2112 is funny that you mention the F150. I remember one of my co-workers sending me a video of a F150 beating a mustang GT saying how a few mods make it so fast.
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I have to agree with you. More people care about straight light acceleration than track performance. And like you said is easy to do, on the street for free or at the tons of dragstrips available for a few bucks. It took me 7 years to go to a road coarse since I been messing with cars. It just not convenient, expensive and intimidating.


godfather2112 is funny that you mention the F150. I remember one of my co-workers sending me a video of a F150 beating a mustang GT saying how a few mods make it so fast.
The new F150 3.5lt ecoboost with just a tune is throwing down like 500hp 550tq on pump fuel, itís ridiculous. One of my buddies has a 2018 3.5 ecoboost with a tune for pump fuel and also 100oct and has an exhaust. Went for a ride in it and damn, thatís a different experience. Iím not sure whatís more exciting / nerve racking, a truck or car with that much power going 0-100. He has a sandrail frame and is thinking about throwing a 3.5tt in it. Would make for a fun desert / dune runner.
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And yes, I think itís worth seeing it be put on a track since itís a new technology thatís rather fast and seeing how the motor and battery holds up as EV sports cars will likely be in the near future and if there were issue with the motor and or battery under heavy stress levels, it would help prevent that in future models.
I think you are in the company of one. The buyers of them certainly arenít interested in lap times at X course. A heavy EV road course time is about as relevant as your F150, a Prii, or Civic Hybrid
0-60mph and 1/4 mile times are done on everything.
Like I said itís a stupid argument. An argument for people who arenít going to buy it anyway. Nobody is going to buy a Model 3 for a weekend track car. Said idiot is as likely to buy a 3 for a track car as they are a F150.
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lol I thought of this wh3n I read your comment..


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WjMcH6...ature=youtu.be
That video made me wince in horrible pain!

THat white model three with the huge wheels, looks good from that angle. Shame about the inside.
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I had a thought today as I say a model S pull across the street. I was thinking if I could get an EV make the sound of Millennium falcon when I pull away every single time I could probably get on board... LOLOL.. seriously.. that would be cool...
Pretty sure Musk would be onboard with that. Especially since EV's will need to make a sound until 18mph.
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TIE Fighter for me.
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Only available in black Teslas.
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I’d prefer it if it was offered with a handful of sound options. Maybe one day I want to sound like a 67 Camarro SS with extremely lumpy cams, the next day an Xwing, on fridays I get crazy, let my hair down and go for classic Forumla 1 sound.
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I'd be happy with the ice cream truck jingle.
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