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Old 03-06-2011, 02:19 PM   #1
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Default the summer tire thread: all performance summer tire questions go here!

what most of us look for in a summer tire is tread wear. UTQG is only 1 factor to consider since ratings vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. a UTQG of 140 for one brand might be equal to a UTQG of 200 for another brand.

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Uniform Tire Quality Grade (UTQG) Standards

The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's (NHTSA) Uniform Tire Quality Grade Standards (UTQG) were originated to provide consumers with useful information to help them purchase tires based on their relative treadwear, traction and temperature capabilities. While it is required by law for most passenger car tires sold in the United States, it is not required for deep treaded light truck tires, winter/snow tires, temporary spare tires, trailer tires, tires under 12” in diameter and other select tires.

When looking at UTQG ratings it is important to realize that the Department of Transportation does not conduct the tests. The grades are assigned by the tire manufacturers based on their test results or those conducted by an independent testing company they have hired. The NHTSA has the right to inspect the tire manufacturer's data and can fine them if inconsistencies are found. While most new tire lines have their grades established when they are introduced, they are allowed a 6-month grace period to allow the tire manufacturer to test actual production tires. Once a grade is assigned it must be branded on the tire's upper sidewall and printed on its label.

Unfortunately, the rating that is of the most interest to consumers is the one that appears to be the least consistent. While the Treadwear Grade was originally intended to be assigned purely scientifically, it has also become a marketing tool used by manufacturers to help position and promote their tires.

Treadwear Grades

UTQG Treadwear Grades are based on actual road use in which the test tire is run in a vehicle convoy along with standardized Course Monitoring Tires. The vehicle repeatedly runs a prescribed 400-mile test loop in West Texas for a total of 7,200 miles. The vehicle can have its alignment set, air pressure checked and tires rotated every 800 miles. The test tire's and the Monitoring Tire's wear are measured during and at the conclusion of the test. The tire manufacturers then assign a Treadwear Grade based on the observed wear rates. The Course Monitoring Tire is assigned a grade and the test tire receives a grade indicating its relative treadwear. A grade of 100 would indicate that the tire tread would last as long as the test tire, 200 would indicate the tread would last twice as long, 300 would indicate three times as long, etc.

The problem with UTQG Treadwear Grades is that they are open to some interpretation on the part of the tire manufacturer because they are assigned after the tire has only experienced a little treadwear as it runs the 7,200 miles. This means that the tire manufacturers need to extrapolate their raw wear data when they are assigning Treadwear Grades, and that their grades can to some extent reflect how conservative or optimistic their marketing department is. Typically, comparing the Treadwear Grades of tire lines within a single brand is somewhat helpful, while attempting to compare the grades between different brands is not as helpful.

Traction Grades

UTQG Traction Grades are based on the tire's straight line wet coefficient of traction as the tire skids across the specified test surfaces. The UTQG traction test does not evaluate dry braking, dry cornering, wet cornering, or high speed hydroplaning resistance.

The Traction Grade is determined by installing properly inflated test tires on the instrumented axle of a "skid trailer." The skid trailer is pulled behind a truck at a constant 40 mph over wet asphalt and wet concrete test surfaces. Its brakes are momentarily locked and the axle sensors measure the tire's coefficient of friction (braking g forces) as it slides. Since this test evaluates a sliding tire at a constant 40 mph, it places more emphasis on the tire's tread compound and less emphasis on its tread design.

In 1997, the UTQG Traction Grades were revised to provide a new category of AA for the highest performing tires in addition to the earlier A, B and C grades. Previously the A grade had been the highest available and was awarded to tires that offered wet coefficients of traction above 0.47 g on asphalt and 0.35 g on concrete. Today the grades and their traction coefficients are as follows:

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Traction     Asphalt           Concrete
Grades       g force           g force
AA	     Above 0.54	         0.41
A	     Above 0.47	         0.35
B	     Above 0.38	         0.26
C	     Less Than 0.38	 0.26
Unfortunately the immediate value of this change to tire buyers will be limited. Use of the AA grade will first be seen on new tires that are introduced after the standard was enacted and will then appear later on tires that have had the required wet traction all along, but were introduced when the single A was the highest available grade.

Temperature (Resistance) Grades

The UTQG Temperature Grade indicates the extent to which heat is generated/ or dissipated by a tire. If the tire is unable to dissipate the heat effectively or if the tire is unable to resist the destructive effects of heat buildup, its ability to run at high speeds is reduced. The grade is established by measuring a loaded tire's ability to operate at high speeds without failure by running an inflated test tire against a large diameter high-speed laboratory test wheel.

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Temperature            Speeds
Grades                 in mph
A	               Over 115
B	               Between 100 to 115
C	               Between 85 to 100
Every tire sold in the United States must be capable of earning a "C" rating which indicates the ability to withstand 85 mph speeds. While there are numerous detail differences, this laboratory test is similar in nature to those used to confirm a tire's speed ratings.

Unfortunately for all of the money spent to test, brand and label the tires sold in the United States, the Uniform Tire Quality Grade Standards have not fully met their original goal of clearly informing consumers about the capabilities of their tires. Maybe it's because tires are so complex and their uses can be so varied, that the grades don't always reflect their actual performance in real world use.
when posting, please provide us with the year and model, how you intend to use your car (daily driver, autox, track, mixed), budget, desired tire size, and wheel specs.

if you have questions we can't answer, or desire more technical info, don't hesitate to give luke @ tirerack.com a call 800-428-8355 ext. 362 or send him an email.
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Old 03-06-2011, 06:12 PM   #2
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finally! i've been so worried about starting *yet another what tire should i buy* thread, and the ubiquitous "just search" doesn't really help. days of searching, and i'm still no closer to an answer. plus, uncle scotty is just itching to layeth the smacketh down if i ask something stupid

anyways, here goes:

03 wrx, daily driver. it'll likely never see a track, but i do a LOT of highway driving with some serious mountains and curves. looking for the most tire for the dollar, or smiles per mile. stock size on stock 16's is all i'm after. i do have a winter setup (dunlop 3Ds), although we can get a totally unexpected snow storm before those get installed. basically, good grip, long lasting, and not breaking the bank... impossible, i know. but what comes close?

i keep seeing federal 595's come up, and i'm guessing the SS is the more DD oriented of the 595's. i *think* i'm aiming for summer tires, although luke has raved about a certain all season that's on sale at the moment.
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Old 03-08-2011, 01:55 PM   #3
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*bump* s head against the desk, wondering why a perfectly usable dedicated thread gets passed over for several "yet another what tire....." threads. mmm, nabiscioc!

but yeah, what's the point of 80 threads that'll vanish into the ether in about 8 hours when 1 thread can handle it? case in point: the winter tire thread.
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Old 03-08-2011, 07:32 PM   #4
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Hankook Ventus V12 Evo
235/40/18

Pretty good tire when I had it running on my Acura TSX on 18x8 wheels lowered with coilovers and conservative alignment. It was a daily driver but some spirited driving.

I found the tire to be pretty good overall but there was this feeling in my gut when i pushed my car that I didn't know if it could handle it. Was pretty good in the rain, pretty predictable in that weather. Sidewalls are not stiff enough. I think people who want a summer tire but a comfortable tire would like this tire.

I think I paid about $140 a piece which is a very good price.
I'm not sure if I would buy it again though.



Nitto Neogen
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Acura TSX on coilovers with conservative alignment. Daily driver but some spirited driving.

I thought for the price which was about $130 this tire was super sticky. Sure its Nitto and people bash it but I found it to be very sure footed. I didn't feel like the sidewalls were rolling when I pushed it around corners. The wet traction was pretty good. Tread life was ok but you cannot flip these tires since the inner tread is different. I would purchase these again unfortunately I want a tire with the same tread pattern so I can flip them if needed.

This tire is also supposed to have a longer lasting inner tread to handle cars with increased negative camber.

If I had to pick Neogens or the Ventus V12 I would take the Nittos.
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Old 03-09-2011, 12:03 AM   #5
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04 sti, toxico dspec suspension, slightly lowered, 392.21 awhp 423.79 awtq, autox, hard curves driving. Not a daily driver car but probably about 400 miles a month, maybe. Also doing some drag racing. Budget doesn't matter, 17x8 or 17x8.5 rim size (still undecided, probably rota g-force). Looking for 235/40 17 unless I can get a 245/40 without rubbing/rolling fenders. I want the best! I was thinking of star specs but now im thinking of nt01 or nt05. It doesn't have to be one of these 3, I just want the best! What's your opinion?

Also it shouldnt see any rain or snow. I have a snow tire setup. Im wanting strictly summer, dry tires.
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drag racing tires =/= autox tires

one requires stiff, others want it soft.
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drag racing tires =/= autox tires

one requires stiff, others want it soft.
I guess I want more of an autox tire.
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no wet? Kumho XS may be for you.

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no wet? Kumho XS may be for you.

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No wet, dry only, autox and hard hitting mountain curves.
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Maybe I should know this... but I don't.

Why is the stock summer tire on the GR STi's not liked?

Ive seen many many for sale ads for them, I even thought about selling mine because I assume if everyone else is selling theirs, mine must be bad too..


new tires bad or just hype?
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Old 03-09-2011, 07:41 PM   #11
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I even thought about selling mine because I assume if everyone else is selling theirs, mine must be bad too..
if I eat my turd, are you going to eat yours too?

applications, applications, applications...what is yours? autox? drag? drift? daily drive? wet weather?? what??????
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Old 03-09-2011, 07:56 PM   #12
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for starters, they're too tall for the GD and an unpopular size for subarus unless you have a GR.

they're just not on par with aftermarket tires for their price as an oem tire. those selling them generally ask too much and use tirerack or dealership pricing to justify it. for the same money (or less), you can get a far better tire even though most people only use their cars for daily driving and really have no need for a max or extreme performance tire.

that's my take on it.
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if I eat my turd, are you going to eat yours too?

applications, applications, applications...what is yours? autox? drag? drift? daily drive? wet weather?? what??????
I was a light infantry medic, I've eaten worse for less of a reason.

I'm just hard on cars, its a daily drive, but will make one or two passes at a drag event as well as 1 or 2 auto-x days. If all goes well I'll do an hpde this summer too.
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for starters, they're too tall for the GD and an unpopular size for subarus unless you have a GR.

they're just not on par with aftermarket tires for their price as an oem tire. those selling them generally ask too much and use tirerack or dealership pricing to justify it. for the same money (or less), you can get a far better tire even though most people only use their cars for daily driving and really have no need for a max or extreme performance tire.

that's my take on it.
That makes more sense. But if I have it, no sense in bailing on it, unless I have a greater need?

Thanks guys.



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all tires are terrific to one person or another.

context context context.

im sure a lot of commuters loved their RE92s. the world will end before they wear out.
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all tires are terrific to one person or another.

context context context.

im sure a lot of commuters loved their RE92s. the world will end before they wear out.
nobody got any suggestions for me aside from the xs?
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Just finish the stockers out, then buy something better. I'd jump on the XS if I din't care about rain.
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nobody got any suggestions for me aside from the xs?
hey, at least you got a suggestion! c'mon now, someone's gotta have some good feedback on a 16" summer tire on stock bugeye wheels that is daily driven, fun, can handle some rain, never autox'ed, has a decent treadlife, and compliments the fact that i have dedicated winter tires, so no all seasons need apply.
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Rotorhead, 452's fit your bill to a t.
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04 sti, toxico dspec suspension, slightly lowered, 392.21 awhp 423.79 awtq, autox, hard curves driving. Not a daily driver car but probably about 400 miles a month, maybe. Also doing some drag racing. Budget doesn't matter, 17x8 or 17x8.5 rim size (still undecided, probably rota g-force). Looking for 235/40 17 unless I can get a 245/40 without rubbing/rolling fenders. I want the best! I was thinking of star specs but now im thinking of nt01 or nt05. It doesn't have to be one of these 3, I just want the best! What's your opinion?

Also it shouldnt see any rain or snow. I have a snow tire setup. Im wanting strictly summer, dry tires.
what's your budget? i was on the fence between star specs and nt05s but starspecs went up in price and we all know how good they are, so nt05s it is for me. from what i've read, starspecs heat up quicker so would be more suitable for autox.

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hey, at least you got a suggestion! c'mon now, someone's gotta have some good feedback on a 16" summer tire on stock bugeye wheels that is daily driven, fun, can handle some rain, never autox'ed, has a decent treadlife, and compliments the fact that i have dedicated winter tires, so no all seasons need apply.
budget? oem size or 225/50/16?

hankook v12 evo, bridgestone re760, falken fk452, yokohama s.drive, conti extremecontact dw are the tires i would look at.
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I've got a stock 2007 WRX Wagon looking to finish my transition from all seasons to dedicated winter / summer setups. With spring approaching, I have planned to get 17x8 OZ Ultraleggera wheels with Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 215/45R17 tires.

Primary applications: mostly daily driver, but want to have the grip in the turns. I found a track 2hrs from my new house and would like to get my first track day this year. I do have about a half mile of gravel road from my house to pavement. Since this will be DD, does gravel harm the summer tires?

With all this info, is this wheel / tire setup a good choice for me?
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I've got a stock 2007 WRX Wagon looking to finish my transition from all seasons to dedicated winter / summer setups. With spring approaching, I have planned to get 17x8 OZ Ultraleggera wheels with Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 215/45R17 tires.

Primary applications: mostly daily driver, but want to have the grip in the turns. I found a track 2hrs from my new house and would like to get my first track day this year. I do have about a half mile of gravel road from my house to pavement. Since this will be DD, does gravel harm the summer tires?

With all this info, is this wheel / tire setup a good choice for me?
You would be better off running 225/45-17 tires with 8" wide wheels. I would consider more performance-oriented tire categories since you are looking for dedicated season sets. I love the Dunlop Star Specs and I think you'll find that it's one of the most recommended. It even won the 09 Car and Driver test - google it. In regards to the gravel road, as long as you don't tear down the road, you're good so go slow.

I'm running those same wheels and the star specs on my 06 WRX wagon.
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06 sti - stage 2 on bbs'es, stock suspension.

Hard DD'ing, a couple autox days and maybe a road course for a weekend over the summer. Needs to be able to handle wet traction well as it rains a bit here and we sometimes have slick roads because of some of the chemicals they put down during the winter.

For the price, im having a hard time beating the star specs but I like the higher tread wear and relatively decent reviews (wet) i've seen of the extremecontact DW. Any other options in that price range? Should I go with a little wider than stock fitment? If so 235 or 245?
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I am running stock 17" BBS's on my 07 STi and I need new tires (threads are showing..damn autocross). I am currently running 225/45 17, but I want to change it up just a little bit. I have seen guys rip fender wells out at 245/45 so I want to go with 235/40 17..on the stock BBS's will I have any issues? If not what do you think of these tires?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4-NEW...Q5fAccessories

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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....Qty=4&i1_Qty=4
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The Sumitomo's are a decent tire. There are better tires out there, but $88/tire is pretty cheap.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...er=17&type=UHP

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ter=17&type=EP

It takes a lot of information for someone to recommend a tire for you; there are so many variables that you have a personal preference on, that it's hard to say "this is the perfect tire for you" until you've driven on them and feel for yourself.
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Are those BBSs wide enough for a 235/40?

The tire spec says 8-9.5" rim width
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