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Old 07-19-2018, 02:18 PM   #551
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Yeah, Well we pay more for the things people wont do.


I wonder how close he gets to Schumi at his prime per year. (net)
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Old 07-20-2018, 12:34 PM   #552
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18" wheels and narrower front tires in 2021? I'm really struggling to understand how 10% narrower front tires is supposed to help overtaking?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/f1-to-race-18-inch-wheels-from-2021/
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Old 07-20-2018, 01:32 PM   #553
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When the guy in front under-steers off the road, the guy following gets an easy pass!
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:59 PM   #554
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Red Bull is apparently "frustrated" that they can't let one of their F3 drivers test at the Hungaroring because he doesn't qualify for a superlicense yet. A big part of the reason he doesn't have enough points is... *drumroll*

He was banned for all of 2016 for passing a bu ch of cars under the Safety Car and intentionally hitting a rival.

I think the system works fine.
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Old 07-20-2018, 10:19 PM   #555
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18" wheels and narrower front tires in 2021? I'm really struggling to understand how 10% narrower front tires is supposed to help overtaking?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/f1-to-race-18-inch-wheels-from-2021/
I was struggling to understand the changes too, this helped: https://youtu.be/BBlip10yYTQ

Tldr is the current design allows them to be very antagonistic with the turbulent wake which actually comes off the front. Narrowing/changing the front aero should kill that off again.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:05 AM   #556
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I was struggling to understand the changes too, this helped: https://youtu.be/BBlip10yYTQ

Tldr is the current design allows them to be very antagonistic with the turbulent wake which actually comes off the front. Narrowing/changing the front aero should kill that off again.
They are making the wings wider. The tires are going from 305s down to 270s. I guess that this means that the front wing will be designed to deal with less turbulance from the smaller front tires. Still seems dumb. The following cars keep blistering their front tires. A narrower tire is going to have to work that much harder.
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:14 PM   #557
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Happy for Bottas, but what happened to Hamilton?
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:20 PM   #558
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The grid:


Pos Driver Team
1 Vettel Ferrari
2 Bottas Mercedes
3 Raikkonen Ferrari
4 Verstappen Red Bull
5 Magnussen Haas
6 Grosjean Haas
7 Hulkenberg Renault
8 Sainz Renault
9 Leclerc Sauber
10 Perez Force India
11 Alonso McLaren
12 Sirotkin Williams
13 Ericsson Sauber
14 Hamilton Mercedes
15 Ricciardo Red Bull
16 Ocon Force India
17 Gasly Toro Rosso
18 Hartley Toro Rosso
19 Stroll Williams
20 Vandoorne McLaren

Hamilton runs into hydraulic problems
Riccardo: engine change.
Both Haas's again up in the grid ( lets hope they make the most out of it this time)
Again Leclerc in the top ten.
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Old 07-22-2018, 11:27 AM   #559
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Wow! Mayhem near the end. Little rain.
Vettel Blew it! Tossed the car into the wall.
Hamilton cut the pit entry. Penalty?
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:04 PM   #560
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Watching Lewis set fastest lap after lap
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Old 07-22-2018, 05:32 PM   #561
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The result:

Pos Driver Team
1 Hamilton Mercedes
2 Bottas Mercedes
3 Raikkonen Ferrari
4 Verstappen Red Bull
5 Hulkenberg Renault
6 Grosjean Haas
7 Perez Force India
8 Ocon Force India
9 Ericsson Sauber
10 Hartley Toro Rosso
11 Magnussen Haas
12 Sainz Renault
13 Vandoorne McLaren
14 Gasly Toro Rosso
15 Leclerc Sauber
16 Alonso McLaren
Stroll Williams
Vettel Ferrari
Sirotkin Williams
Ricciardo Red Bull

Bottas was told to stop racing Hamilton.( Rosberg would've turn the radio off )
Kimi:" What are you want me to do, tell me"
Ericsson & Hartly eeks out some points via SC
Mangussen got screwed by the SC
STR, McLaren,Sauber made dumb decision on inters ( Leclerc really got hosed on that call)
Alonso parked his car on the last lap for unknown reasons.

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Old 07-22-2018, 06:10 PM   #562
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Hamilton cut the pit entry. Penalty?
Just a reprimand by the stewards.
No real penalty.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:57 PM   #563
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Why did Ferrari wait to pit Kimi during the SC?
If he pitted at the same time as Bottas, he would of been ahead of Bottas (long pit stop)
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:58 PM   #564
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Kimi:" What are you want me to do, tell me"
Good old Kimi
Why are Ferrari still doing this "Fernando is faster than you" BS?
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Old 07-23-2018, 09:11 AM   #565
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Why did Ferrari wait to pit Kimi during the SC?
If he pitted at the same time as Bottas, he would of been ahead of Bottas (long pit stop)
I think Kimi's tires were toast at that point. He changed to those yellow tires pretty early in the race to undercut Ham.

I think Kimi got screwed by those lapped cars/blue flags where he had to go off track and that let BOT pass him. I'm surprised that wasn't investigated by the stewards and the position given back to him.
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Old 07-23-2018, 10:50 AM   #566
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It's nice to have another exciting F1 race, but if not for rain and safety cars it would have been boring as usual. IMSA at Lime Rock was much more entertaining.
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Old 07-23-2018, 11:25 AM   #567
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It's nice to have another exciting F1 race, but if not for rain and safety cars it would have been boring as usual. IMSA at Lime Rock was much more entertaining.
That's just the norm, now

I love IMSA - I'm still watching the Watkins Glen race. I always watch the enduro stuff over a few weeks. It took me forever to finish Le Mans
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Old 07-23-2018, 01:29 PM   #568
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No Miami GP in '19, maybe '20?

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...-2020-1063206/

The Formula 1 organisation has announced that it has postponed its efforts to launch the Miami Grand Prix until 2020.
The news means next year's calendar is expected to feature just 20 races, with Germany dropping out.

Paddock sources have been suggesting for some weeks that it was becoming increasingly difficult to ensure that contracts for the Miami event would be signed off in time for 2019.

It is apparent that F1 owners Liberty Media didn't want to put the race on the calendar with provisional status, only to lose it.

At the same time it means the back end of the 2019 schedule can be optimised at an early stage, instead of races like Austin, Mexico and Brazil having to work around a space left for Miami.

One of the issues has been opposition from local residents, and Miami politicians are keen to take their views into account, rather than fast track approval through.

A decision was scheduled to be made at a City Commission meeting this week, but that discussion has been postponed until September.

The fan festival scheduled for October will go ahead as planned, and it could be a key element in promoting plans for the race to sceptical locals.

"In the last few months we have worked diligently alongside our promoter Stephen Ross of RSE Ventures, the City of Miami and Miami Dade County, to realise our ambition to bring a Formula 1 Grand Prix to Miami," said F1 commercial boss Sean Bratches.

"And we have made significant progress. However, these are complicated negotiations. Whilst our preference would have been to race in Miami in 2019, there was always a point by which delivering the best possible wheel-to-wheel racing experience for our fans, drivers and teams wouldn't be possible in the time available.

"We have now reached that point as far as racing in Miami in 2019 is concerned. However, we are taking a long-term view and as a result, we have decided, in consultation with the Miami authorities, to postpone sign-off until later in the summer, with the aim of running the first Formula 1 Miami Grand Prix in the 2020 season.

"We have always said that we wouldn't compromise on delivering the best possible race, for the people of Miami, our fans and the 1.8 billion people who watch F1 globally every year, and if that meant waiting until 2020, then that was far more preferable than signing off on a sub-optimal race track, just to do a deal."

Bratches said that F1 had enjoyed full co-operation from Miami authorities, and that F1 was listening to feedback.

"At every stage of this process we've enjoyed positive collaboration and co-operation with the City of Miami, Miami-Dade County, Port of Miami, Bayfront Parks Management, residents and businesses.

"As a result of these discussions, we have listened and adapted our plans, including elements of the track layout.

"We are committed to expansion in the US and to Miami in particular and we will be bringing our fantastic sport to this iconic city in October with the Formula 1 fan festival, where we look forward to engaging and exciting fans."
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Germany not getting a race again. Seems like the crowd this year was pretty strong compared to the last time they were at Hockenheim.

They need to dump Hockenheim, though. Track is bad, just too narrow.
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Just a reprimand by the stewards.
No real penalty.
That's absolute bull****. He was in the pit lane and then went back on track. Had he done the reverse, it would 100% be a penalty.


And Charlie's excuse of "not many laps left" is bull**** too. They nailed Sainz for passing under the SC with even less time.
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Old 07-24-2018, 09:47 AM   #571
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That's absolute bull****. He was in the pit lane and then went back on track. Had he done the reverse, it would 100% be a penalty.


And Charlie's excuse of "not many laps left" is bull**** too. They nailed Sainz for passing under the SC with even less time.
Agreed, I would bet if that wasn't HAM they would have handed out a penalty. That rationalization was just a joke too, so if Kimi hits HAM on the last lap does that mean no penalty? Lol
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That's absolute bull****. He was in the pit lane and then went back on track. Had he done the reverse, it would 100% be a penalty.


And Charlie's excuse of "not many laps left" is bull**** too. They nailed Sainz for passing under the SC with even less time.
If they penalized Hamilton it wouldn't make the championship race quite as interesting. They are getting creative in the way they make F1 more exciting. I'm starting to think Bernie wasn't all that crazy, wanting to add sprinkler systems to randomly wet the track and unexpectedly impact race strategy.
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Give me sprinkler systems at every race of the year please.
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Old 07-24-2018, 10:34 AM   #574
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2019

Force Stroll:
Stroll and Perez

Renault:
Ocon and Hulkenberg

Mclaren:
Alonso and Sainz

Ferrari:
Leclerc and Vettel

Mercedes:
Hamilton and Bottas

Sauber:
Ericsson and ??

Red Bull:
Verstappen and Ricciardo

Toro Rosso:
Gasly and ??

Haas:
Magnussen and Giovinnazi

Williams:
Kubica and ??
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