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Old 03-24-2021, 01:47 AM   #3176
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I want the Model S Plaid so bad. I told my wife If I can collect 50k by selling calls I am getting one.

It weighs more than my truck does!
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Old 03-24-2021, 02:35 AM   #3177
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I hope the guy who designed these cars 15 years ago gets some sort of royalty checks on top of his salary and stock options.
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Old 03-24-2021, 08:04 AM   #3178
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It weighs more than my truck does!
Sure! and a Taycan weights even more

and you can't make this stuff up

https://www.teslarati.com/porsche-ta...fragged-update
https://electrek.co/2021/03/23/porsc...taycan-owners/

Please make my gas tank smaller and slow my fill rate.... 350KW charging yeah right

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Old 03-24-2021, 12:10 PM   #3179
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I hope the guy who designed these cars 15 years ago gets some sort of royalty checks on top of his salary and stock options.
Would suck to spend all that money on a Plaid and have 99.999% of people think you are rocking an old Model S the moment you drive it off the lot after delivery.
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Old 03-24-2021, 12:24 PM   #3180
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Would suck to spend all that money on a Plaid and have 99.999% of people think you are rocking an old Model S the moment you drive it off the lot after delivery.
99.99% can't tell a difference between a V6 Mustang and Shelby GT500 either.
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Old 03-24-2021, 12:29 PM   #3181
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Would suck to spend all that money on a Plaid and have 99.999% of people think you are rocking an old Model S the moment you drive it off the lot after delivery.
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99.99% can't tell a difference between a V6 Mustang and Shelby GT500 either.
99.99% of the general public don't care. It's just a car to them.
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Old 03-24-2021, 12:35 PM   #3182
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99.99% of the general public don't care. It's just a car to them.
until they loose is a school ZONE!!!!


that 7 ton SUV with seating for 12, and a dog playpen never stood a chance.
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Old 03-24-2021, 12:56 PM   #3183
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until they loose is a school ZONE!!!!


that 7 ton SUV with seating for 12, and a dog playpen never stood a chance.
Tesla driver would be wise to lose to avoid Karen.
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Old 03-24-2021, 01:37 PM   #3184
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Would suck to spend all that money on a Plaid and have 99.999% of people think you are rocking an old Model S the moment you drive it off the lot after delivery.
Just get it wrapped in plaid vinyl; the paint is going to suck anyways.

In reality though, I don't buy cars to get noticed, I honestly would prefer to fly under the radar as much as possible. Not that I'd buy a Model S anyways.

The general public at most sees a badge, doesn't matter what model it is to them, if they even know what the badge is anyways.

Normie: dude, you got a Tesla!
Plaid owner: yes, it's a plaid model S!
Normie: plaid? like, where? on the interior? I don't see plaid..
Plaid owner: no, it's a special model that's faster
Normie: oh.. okay
Plaid owner: It's a joke, because Elon really likes Space Balls
Normie: space balls? is that a food or something? Who's Elon?

Something like that.

A (non-car guy) friend asked me if my car was called an IS350 because it has 350 horsepower; way better connection than I'd expect from most, I was impressed, he was confused when I told him it only had 311hp, and that the name was connected to the engine displacement of 3.5L.
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Old 03-24-2021, 01:50 PM   #3185
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Would suck to spend all that money on a Plaid and have 99.999% of people think you are rocking an old Model S the moment you drive it off the lot after delivery.
I thought the appeal of the Plaid was that it basically looks no different than any other Model S (a sleeper performer of sorts).
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Old 03-24-2021, 01:52 PM   #3186
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Would suck to spend all that money on a Plaid and have 99.999% of people think you are rocking an old Model S the moment you drive it off the lot after delivery.


I always like clean sleepers.... but then again I would consider ruining it with some Advan GT's .
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Old 03-24-2021, 03:11 PM   #3187
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A (non-car guy) friend asked me if my car was called an IS350 because it has 350 horsepower; way better connection than I'd expect from most, I was impressed, he was confused when I told him it only had 311hp, and that the name was connected to the engine displacement of 3.5L.
At least the 350 is tied to something. HP would make sense too but IS311 doesn't sound right.

Did you try explaining Cadillacs's numerical badging of their cars... without a calculator.
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Old 03-24-2021, 06:24 PM   #3188
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99.99% of the general public don't care. It's just a car to them.
But they can certainly tell the new crocs are out or that latest episode of the Masked Singer!
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Old 03-24-2021, 08:41 PM   #3189
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At least the 350 is tied to something. HP would make sense too but IS311 doesn't sound right.
Horsepower changes pretty easily with cars these days as well. The IS311 might be an IS321 the next year. Displacement stays more constant within a generation.
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Old 04-02-2021, 04:34 PM   #3190
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Tesla keeps on killing it . I hope you guys load up with stocks or options on the dip. I been trading shares to options from $715 to $570ish. I am overall net red but it should rip until earnings and Q2 should be amazing too. Overall Q1 growth year to year of 109%.

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Tesla delivered about 185,000 vehicles in the first quarter, compared with 181,000 in the fourth-quarter of 2020 and about 88,000 vehicles in the first quarter of 2020. Year-over-year growth is more than 100%.

Wall Street estimates ranged from roughly 162,000 to about 172,000. Estimates had fallen from more than 180,000 deliveries, mainly because of the chip shortage.
that's only with 2000 something Model S and X because of the refresh so margins might be lower.
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The exact modifications to the Porsche Taycan Turbo S from GULF Racing were not disclosed on the All Japan EV Grand Prix's program, though racers who participated in the event noted that the German track monster was fitted with Hoosier R7 tires. And for all intents and purposes, the Taycan did perform very well, recording the fastest lap in the race at 1:55.885 and an average speed of 141.751 km/h (88.079 mph).

But surprisingly enough, the Porsche Taycan Turbo S did not take the overall win of the day. That honor went to one of Team Taisan's partially modified Tesla Model 3s. Interestingly enough, Unplugged Performance CEO Ben Schaffer noted that Team Taisan's Model 3 actually had fewer aerodynamic mods due to Japan's race regulations. But despite this, the Model 3 came out as the overall winner in the All Japan EV Grand Prix's EV-1 segment, with a total lap time of 24:29.801 and an average speed of 133.370 km/h (82.872 mph).
So after the 4th lap the Taycan Turbo S overheated and it went into a kind of limp mode that limits the top speed to 93mph and I assume it cuts down power as well. So much for a track ready and superior German engineering .
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Old 04-15-2021, 11:17 AM   #3192
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So I've been debating selling my Tesla or trading it in for something with more space. I'd like to have something that can fit more stuff on road trips. Right now I've got a 1 year old kid, and between the car seat and the stroller, long road trips (I drive 500 miles and stay ~10 days to see family) are tight in space. Also things like going to the airport for long trips (go overseas to see family for 2-3 weeks every year) is tough to fit all the stuff. It's also inconvenient to do outdoor stuff in the Model 3 (camping and bicycles).

So basically my Model 3 is close to maxed out. I don't really need a new car. The other two cars in the household are a 2019 Mustang and a 2002 Miata.

Right now I'm between going Model Y, keeping what I have for a while, and getting a minivan (probably a buy or lease a new Pacifica). I can get a Pacifica hybrid for dirt cheap, like a loaded one for 40k then the $7500 tax credit. You lose Stow 'n' Go 2nd row but I don't think that's strictly necessary. I test drove one and it's pretty meh to drive. The AWD non hybrids drive much better but are a lot more expensive in terms of course fuel cost but also far fewer incentives/credits. I'm not concerned about the "image" of a minivan. It's all about practicality, but of course a Model 3 is way more fun to drive.

The Model Y is probably the most expensive choice up front, although depreciation will be better. I spec'd out the one I would want and it's a Red LR AWD with tow hitch, white interior, base wheels and 7 seat interior. They are so backlogged on orders though, it says 5-8 weeks for delivery. In 2019 I ordered my Model 3 in late April and got it in 2 weeks (not sure what the delivery estimate was though). They had a $3500 tax credit that year.

I've also thought of a used minivan for occasional use. I can get a decent condition Caravan or Town and Country for $10k with well under 100k miles. It just gets to be a pain having 4 cars to shuffle around. I've got a 2 car garage and a 2 car wide driveway, so it's possible to do so.

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If the model 3 is maxed out the model Y will be nearly maxed out as Motortrend and others have stuffed both with boxes and found ultimate cargo space comparable.
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So I've been debating selling my Tesla or trading it in for something with more space. I'd like to have something that can fit more stuff on road trips. Right now I've got a 1 year old kid, and between the car seat and the stroller, long road trips (I drive 500 miles and stay ~10 days to see family) are tight in space. Also things like going to the airport for long trips (go overseas to see family for 2-3 weeks every year) is tough to fit all the stuff. It's also inconvenient to do outdoor stuff in the Model 3 (camping and bicycles).

So basically my Model 3 is close to maxed out. I don't really need a new car. The other two cars in the household are a 2019 Mustang and a 2002 Miata.

Right now I'm between going Model Y, keeping what I have for a while, and getting a minivan (probably a buy or lease a new Pacifica). I can get a Pacifica hybrid for dirt cheap, like a loaded one for 40k then the $7500 tax credit. You lose Stow 'n' Go 2nd row but I don't think that's strictly necessary. I test drove one and it's pretty meh to drive. The AWD non hybrids drive much better but are a lot more expensive in terms of course fuel cost but also far fewer incentives/credits. I'm not concerned about the "image" of a minivan. It's all about practicality, but of course a Model 3 is way more fun to drive.

The Model Y is probably the most expensive choice up front, although depreciation will be better. I spec'd out the one I would want and it's a Red LR AWD with tow hitch, white interior, base wheels and 7 seat interior. They are so backlogged on orders though, it says 5-8 weeks for delivery. In 2019 I ordered my Model 3 in late April and got it in 2 weeks (not sure what the delivery estimate was though). They had a $3500 tax credit that year.

I've also thought of a used minivan for occasional use. I can get a decent condition Caravan or Town and Country for $10k with well under 100k miles. It just gets to be a pain having 4 cars to shuffle around. I've got a 2 car garage and a 2 car wide driveway, so it's possible to do so.
I had a M3 and now a MY and the cargo space is significantly more since it is a hatch. Plus, you get an extra shallow storage well (if you don't go 3 row), so that has my UMC, while the main well (plus side wells) are free for groceries, etc. I can also carry a 6.5' ladder on just one side of the MY.

We have used the MY w/ seats down a few times to carry furniture (small chair & ottoman and a hallway buffet).

The Frunk is also a little bigger in the MY.

MY seems cavernous to me.

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Old 04-15-2021, 12:59 PM   #3195
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The Y has infinitely more utility and cargo carrying space compared to the 3, agreed
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I'd really like to get a Model X but they are too expensive, and I'm not getting a used one considering all the issues they have. I've driven a Ford Mach E and the problem is that the non Tesla charging networks are still too spotty.

I actually have a lot of seat time in a Model Y Performance (although I wouldn't own one) that we were testing at work. I find the cargo capacity increase to be noticeable but not drastic. It's not a massive decrease in acceleration and handling vs the Model 3, which is its biggest advantage. It's kind of an all around car.

The thing about having a hatch is that it's useful for short home depot runs and such but I don't want to drive 1000 miles round trip with cargo piled up to the point of blocking visibility. The Frunk and lower compartment in the hatch area are definitely more spacious. I only use the frunk for overflow cargo on road trips now. I would get the 3rd row seats. The extra little nook in the 5 seater isn't that spacious IMO. The 3rd row would be helpful when the grandparents visit for short trips. My inlaws aren't very tall. The tow hitch could be helpful for a bike rack, maybe a small trailer to carry stuff occasionally (I don't have one though). You just can't beat a minivan for usability however. The Uconnect 5 infotainment on the 2021 models is pretty good, but basically it's just a portal to wireless Apple Carplay, which is as good (if not in some ways better) than the Tesla infotainment system.

I do like the sound quality on the long range Tesla models. To get equivalent sound I need a decently optioned minivan. That means a Limited trim or better on a Pacifica. I'm not an audiophile but to my untrained ear, the base sound systems on a lot of cars sound not much better than a cell phone speaker.

If a new tax credit for EVs goes through that would make me more likely to get a Y, assuming they don't jack up the price too much to compensate.

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So I've been debating selling my Tesla or trading it in for something with more space. I'd like to have something that can fit more stuff on road trips. Right now I've got a 1 year old kid, and between the car seat and the stroller, long road trips (I drive 500 miles and stay ~10 days to see family) are tight in space. Also things like going to the airport for long trips (go overseas to see family for 2-3 weeks every year) is tough to fit all the stuff. It's also inconvenient to do outdoor stuff in the Model 3 (camping and bicycles).

So basically my Model 3 is close to maxed out. I don't really need a new car. The other two cars in the household are a 2019 Mustang and a 2002 Miata.

Right now I'm between going Model Y, keeping what I have for a while, and getting a minivan (probably a buy or lease a new Pacifica). I can get a Pacifica hybrid for dirt cheap, like a loaded one for 40k then the $7500 tax credit. You lose Stow 'n' Go 2nd row but I don't think that's strictly necessary. I test drove one and it's pretty meh to drive. The AWD non hybrids drive much better but are a lot more expensive in terms of course fuel cost but also far fewer incentives/credits. I'm not concerned about the "image" of a minivan. It's all about practicality, but of course a Model 3 is way more fun to drive.

The Model Y is probably the most expensive choice up front, although depreciation will be better. I spec'd out the one I would want and it's a Red LR AWD with tow hitch, white interior, base wheels and 7 seat interior. They are so backlogged on orders though, it says 5-8 weeks for delivery. In 2019 I ordered my Model 3 in late April and got it in 2 weeks (not sure what the delivery estimate was though). They had a $3500 tax credit that year.

I've also thought of a used minivan for occasional use. I can get a decent condition Caravan or Town and Country for $10k with well under 100k miles. It just gets to be a pain having 4 cars to shuffle around. I've got a 2 car garage and a 2 car wide driveway, so it's possible to do so.
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Great video! I think this shows two things:

1) Model 3 trunk is really big for a mid-sized car, we rarely filled it.

2) Model Y is a lot easier to fit tons of stuff. It's great for Home Depot and large item shopping.
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So I've been debating selling my Tesla or trading it in for something with more space. I'd like to have something that can fit more stuff on road trips. Right now I've got a 1 year old kid, and between the car seat and the stroller, long road trips (I drive 500 miles and stay ~10 days to see family) are tight in space. Also things like going to the airport for long trips (go overseas to see family for 2-3 weeks every year) is tough to fit all the stuff. It's also inconvenient to do outdoor stuff in the Model 3 (camping and bicycles).

So basically my Model 3 is close to maxed out. I don't really need a new car. The other two cars in the household are a 2019 Mustang and a 2002 Miata.

Right now I'm between going Model Y, keeping what I have for a while, and getting a minivan (probably a buy or lease a new Pacifica). I can get a Pacifica hybrid for dirt cheap, like a loaded one for 40k then the $7500 tax credit. You lose Stow 'n' Go 2nd row but I don't think that's strictly necessary. I test drove one and it's pretty meh to drive. The AWD non hybrids drive much better but are a lot more expensive in terms of course fuel cost but also far fewer incentives/credits. I'm not concerned about the "image" of a minivan. It's all about practicality, but of course a Model 3 is way more fun to drive.

The Model Y is probably the most expensive choice up front, although depreciation will be better. I spec'd out the one I would want and it's a Red LR AWD with tow hitch, white interior, base wheels and 7 seat interior. They are so backlogged on orders though, it says 5-8 weeks for delivery. In 2019 I ordered my Model 3 in late April and got it in 2 weeks (not sure what the delivery estimate was though). They had a $3500 tax credit that year.

I've also thought of a used minivan for occasional use. I can get a decent condition Caravan or Town and Country for $10k with well under 100k miles. It just gets to be a pain having 4 cars to shuffle around. I've got a 2 car garage and a 2 car wide driveway, so it's possible to do so.

Why not just rent something for those times where you need more capability?
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Two men died after a Tesla 'on autopilot with no one driving' crashed into a tree in Houston before starting a huge fire that took 32,000 gallons of water to extinguish.

The fully-electric 2019 Tesla Model S slammed into the tree in Carlton Woods at around 11.25pm on Saturday night before bursting into flames with the passengers still inside.

Fire fighters used 32,000 gallons of water over four hours to try to put out the flames because the car's batteries kept reigniting.

At one point, deputies had to call Tesla to ask them how to put out a fire in the battery.




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