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Old 04-22-2021, 12:20 PM   #3251
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WTF this is getting insane
How is that insane? They're testing the system and finding flaws. These sorts of findings will dictate future regulations to protect people from the hacks that will inevitably try to abuse AP. Uncharted waters here...
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I mean you could do that on a lot of cars. I tried the Mach E and it uses a steering wheel torque detection from what I remember.

Government needs to regulate more.
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This is a very NASIOC take. Seems like the problems are being identified and fixed without more regulations though.
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Old 04-22-2021, 12:57 PM   #3254
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How is that insane? They're testing the system and finding flaws. These sorts of findings will dictate future regulations to protect people from the hacks that will inevitably try to abuse AP. Uncharted waters here...
Finding a flaw WTF. So putting a brick on the accelerator on any car is flaw that all manufacturer need to fix?



do you think eye tracking cameras are impossible to be tricked? any system can be circumvented if you try.

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how the crash post developed through this thread is hilarious. OMG autopilot, omg battery fire...how much water?, oh nos cameras. Moving goalpost.... the bias is strong.
OMG autopilot again, although the two people that crashed where not in autopilot . Safest cars on the road get most ****.

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Old 04-22-2021, 02:13 PM   #3255
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STOP TRYING TO BE PASSENGERS.

Drive the damn cars yourselves.
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They're not offering me cash. That's a trade in value to buy another Tesla unless they do cash deals and I wasn't aware of it. The only thing I want from Tesla is like $58k before destination and sales tax. Model Y LR with white interior, red paint, base wheels, tow hitch, 7 seat configuration. I'd love a new S or even X, but that's just so much cash.

I'm not sure I can justify going from owing $35k on a Tesla with 15k miles to owing ~$50k or more on a new Y. Maybe I'm past the "I gotta have this car right now" phase with Tesla ownership.

I wouldn't take the loss. Keep the car. Make it part of your fleet and move on. It's just not worth losing all that $. Pay it off, add to the fleet. Or if it's upsetting you that much, get rid of it now either selling or trading in on a Y and be done with it immediately.
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STOP TRYING TO BE PASSENGERS.

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nah you can get closer to god


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Old 04-22-2021, 02:39 PM   #3258
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I mean you could do that on a lot of cars. I tried the Mach E and it uses a steering wheel torque detection from what I remember.

Government needs to regulate more.
Mach E, F-150, etc are using IR eye trackers for their freeway-only Co-Pilot 360 system. The steering wheel torque is probably just for the LKA.
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Old 04-23-2021, 10:14 PM   #3260
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Finding a flaw WTF. So putting a brick on the accelerator on any car is flaw that all manufacturer need to fix?
Manufacturers already figured out a way to implement the brick on a pedal, it's called cruise control.

It's clear that Tesla isn't doing enough to make sure that drivers are actively engaged in the act of driving when using AP. Other manufacturers are. Behind the times.
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Old 04-23-2021, 10:47 PM   #3261
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Manufacturers already figured out a way to implement the brick on a pedal, it's called cruise control.

It's clear that Tesla isn't doing enough to make sure that drivers are actively engaged in the act of driving when using AP. Other manufacturers are. Behind the times.
Here "behind times"


Tesla choose not to use the internal camera as driver monitoring, you should ask them why.... because as you can see they are certainly doing it. This is just like the Lidar thing, Tesla can do it easily but they don't want to. By the way they even developed their own lidar for SpaceX and they hold over 30 patents on Lidar technology. IMO the steering motoring sensor works well and keeps is constantly asking you for input; it is not like you engage the system and go to sleep. If you choose to put a weight on it you are responsible for the consequences. My comment about the brick on the pedal was about people doing stuff that they should not do but for some reason is Tesla's responsibility.
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Old 04-24-2021, 09:12 AM   #3262
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Manufacturers already figured out a way to implement the brick on a pedal, it's called cruise control.

It's clear that Tesla isn't doing enough to make sure that drivers are actively engaged in the act of driving when using AP. Other manufacturers are. Behind the times.
Tesla nags you to put your hand back on the wheel and apply torque almost constantly. Just because people are creating work-arounds doesn't make the system any less safe for a normal driver. Unless you go out of your way to cheat, the system works very well.

This is like how people used to cheat the seat-belt chime sensor so they didn't need to wear a seatbelt... then they would die in a crash. Do we need a camera monitoring drivers to ensure they buckled in? No, Police ticket you if they can tell you aren't wearing a seatbelt.

Super Cruise and others only work on pre-mapped roads. That's not even autonomous driving, that's driving by memory. I'd much rather Tesla using vision to actively see the road and drive the car (like a human), in addition to the neural-net's knowledge from other Teslas driving in the same area.

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Old 04-24-2021, 09:35 AM   #3263
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Here "behind times"

https://youtu.be/pZWR4MQBI4M

Tesla choose not to use the internal camera as driver monitoring, you should ask them why.... because as you can see they are certainly doing it. This is just like the Lidar thing, Tesla can do it easily but they don't want to. By the way they even developed their own lidar for SpaceX and they hold over 30 patents on Lidar technology. IMO the steering motoring sensor works well and keeps is constantly asking you for input; it is not like you engage the system and go to sleep. If you choose to put a weight on it you are responsible for the consequences. My comment about the brick on the pedal was about people doing stuff that they should not do but for some reason is Tesla's responsibility.
In all fairness I have to agree with you here. Tesla should not be responsible for people purposely trying to defeat the system.

If anything they are just begging for government regulations to step in and protect the idiots itís producing in public schools.

Tesla does not want big Fed in their nickers
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Manufacturers already figured out a way to implement the brick on a pedal, it's called cruise control.

It's clear that Tesla isn't doing enough to make sure that drivers are actively engaged in the act of driving when using AP. Other manufacturers are. Behind the times.
Huh? Geez what do you expect them to do? People are stupid. I mean the common intellect is decreasing at a rate only expressed in a movie of all things, Idiocracy. Iím no fan of Tesla or their products. They donít make anything yet that I find intriguing, price and body design, both. But this is not their fault.
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Wow what is wrong in the world

https://twitter.com/alex_avoigt/status/1386632910002872321





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The whole ID thing is almost more embarrassing for VW than faking their diesel emissions numbers.

It was hyped so much by VAG and once it arrived you had to search hard to find an enthusiastic review.

Check out Sandy Munro lose his mind over what a heap of bad decisions were made in it's development. On the bright side, it's well built and drives well enough. On the bad side it falls short of other dedicated EVs on almost every other front.

https:// youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkiDlGyJnprdkrCXUOh-NGAZNSd1DK6TK
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STOP TRYING TO BE PASSENGERS.

Drive the damn cars yourselves.
Once self driving proliferate human driven will be banned from same roads as too unpredictable . The carrot and stick will have many uses in near future. Some are asymmetrical stick like gas taxes or even manipulation of markets to pump gas to $5 gal or more like in past.
But looks like u might get $10k off EVs soon immediately when purchasing instead of tax credit u have to wait for. Eat your carrots, good for vision
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I would buy a diesel before I'd buy an ID.
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Once self driving proliferate human driven will be banned from same roads as too unpredictable . The carrot and stick will have many uses in near future. Some are asymmetrical stick like gas taxes or even manipulation of markets to pump gas to $5 gal or more like in past.
But looks like u might get $10k off EVs soon immediately when purchasing instead of tax credit u have to wait for. Eat your carrots, good for vision
I'm all for EV, just not 100% self-driving. Ok, wait, for the average driver who doesn't pay attention etc they should have self-driving. I would like to continue to do it myself, as I enjoy it.
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Once self driving proliferate human driven will be banned from same roads as too unpredictable . The carrot and stick will have many uses in near future. Some are asymmetrical stick like gas taxes or even manipulation of markets to pump gas to $5 gal or more like in past.
But looks like u might get $10k off EVs soon immediately when purchasing instead of tax credit u have to wait for. Eat your carrots, good for vision
The irony is almost too thick to swallow here.

Automobile manufacturers destroyed public transit throughout the 20th century in order to force people to depend on cars, and marketed cars as an expression of personal freedom. The result are old men who don't realize they've tied their entire personalities to being slaves to car companies... proudly propping up their egos with hatred for lost power to emissions controls, the ability to shift a manual transmission, and the ability to not die while shunning ABS. I say this having spent 20 years in that world before waking the ***k up.

Gas is subsidized at about 67%.. and you're talking about market manipulations making it seem like gas is expensive. Without the USA corporate socialism food would be twice as expensive and the average cost of a gallon of gas in the USA today would be $7.20. You need to get out of the oil fields.. you're starting to succumb to the fumes (even ignoring your baseline climate change denial).
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Default Tesla Catch All Thread. Hate us cause you ainít us.

Blah, Iíve used AP a handful of times while stuck in traffic which is what itís good for IMO. FSD isnít for me but that doesnít mean EVís arenít for me. Itís the best commuter car Iíve ever owned.
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Blah, Iíve used AP a handful of times while stuck in traffic which is what itís good for IMO. FSD isnít for me but that doesnít mean EVís arenít for me. Itís the best commuter car Iíve ever owned.
100% agree.
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The irony is almost too thick to swallow here.

Automobile manufacturers destroyed public transit throughout the 20th century in order to force people to depend on cars, and marketed cars as an expression of personal freedom. The result are old men who don't realize they've tied their entire personalities to being slaves to car companies... proudly propping up their egos with hatred for lost power to emissions controls, the ability to shift a manual transmission, and the ability to not die while shunning ABS. I say this having spent 20 years in that world before waking the ***k up.

Gas is subsidized at about 67%.. and you're talking about market manipulations making it seem like gas is expensive. Without the USA corporate socialism food would be twice as expensive and the average cost of a gallon of gas in the USA today would be $7.20. You need to get out of the oil fields.. you're starting to succumb to the fumes (even ignoring your baseline climate change denial).
Oh boy where to start...

Automobile industry did not destroy public transportation. I have heard that story, that is a myth. The fact is public transportation is a simple approach to a complex problem. The United states is just big with people living in rural and urban areas. Public transportation can only enjoy some success in congested and clogged cities where life with a car would be even harder. Parking takes up space. Space cities do not have. America is a country of people who love individual freedom. They want to get away and a car, or truck or motorcycle gives them that freedom in a way unreliable and crowded public transportation could never achieve. The car industry just catered to that deep rooted drive for people to get out and explore. You have it backwards. The people drove the car market. Not the other way around. The car was a ticket out of the disgusting dirty, smelly, and crime ridden cities.

More news you will not like.

Every climate change model to date has overpredicted the temp rise by at least a factor of 2. They also group all the calculated changes to CO2, which is idiotic as they rule out ocean heating due to thermal vents and any other sources. The are picking an answer and driving toward it. Bad Science.

The world IS greener than it has been in several decades. The greening is helping things out. The CO2 levels in the world today are no where near where they have been when it was both colder AND hotter. There are so many holes in the climate story today it is hilarious for those who understand it and know to interpret data.

Climate story in a nutshell. Yup the world is infinitesimally warmer than it was 100 years ago. Did humans cause it? We probably had a small hand in some of that if you include the entire industrial revolution and California wildfires. In other words, the changes are small but there is no crisis. No reason for draconian regulations and kneejerk reactions. There is time to make smart decisions.

Unfortunately our world seems be in short supply of smart people to make them.

Having said that, I do think we should cut back slightly on the oil subsidies. The thing is everything we all hold dear in this world is from Petroleum. Our entire world is built on it. Cheap abundant energy means higher quality of life. Cheaper energy benefits all who have access to it. Prematurely destroying the fossil fuel industry before we have a viable alternative that is as reliable, robust, scale-able, and ramp-able, is sophomoric and stupid.
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The whole ID thing is almost more embarrassing for VW than faking their diesel emissions numbers.

It was hyped so much by VAG and once it arrived you had to search hard to find an enthusiastic review.

Check out Sandy Munro lose his mind over what a heap of bad decisions were made in it's development. On the bright side, it's well built and drives well enough. On the bad side it falls short of other dedicated EVs on almost every other front.

https:// youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkiDlGyJnprdkrCXUOh-NGAZNSd1DK6TK
It was rushed to market. It's their first attempt. And at least they didn't have to go to home depot to secure the cooling system...

Learning curve. It will get better from here. Expecting them to knock it out of the park on the first try is a bit silly.
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