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01-11-2013, 08:00 AM | #26 |
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Raise gas taxes.
Or why can't we pay for road improvements out of the general federal/local tax funds? Calling it a mileage tax is just a ploy to at least make some people (those who don't drive much, like old people) still vote for them after they vote to raise taxes.
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01-11-2013, 12:59 PM | #27 |
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The gas tax is certainly easier, but a mileage tax has the potential to be more efficient. As a general rule though, I think road maintenance should be paid for primarily by those who use the roads most. We should stop subsidizing the long commutes of some with the income tax of people who live near work.
They don't say this explicitly, but it would be a good idea to have a mileage tax with the rate of taxation based on vehicle mass. Why? Because it's generally accepted that wear on roads goes with the 4th power of vehicle mass[1]. So a 6,000lb SUV wears out the roads 16 times faster than a 3,000lb sedan. Since said SUV gets much better than 1/16th the fuel economy of the sedan, gasoline taxes cause sedan drivers to pay for road repairs which should be attributed to SUV drivers. In that way, a mileage tax could be more efficient. Of course we currently have the infrastructure to collect gas taxes, but not mileage taxes, at least not everywhere. Minnesota (as an example) doesn't have state vehicle inspections. [1] AASHO Road Test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
01-11-2013, 01:09 PM | #28 | |
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Commuters almost always have small cars, or at least fuel efficient vehicles. We wear the roads less, but get taxed more even though we typically travel most of our miles on highways which are designed and built up to widstand higher traffic loads and speeds. They utilize thicker pavemnt layers, harder subsoils, and macadam/cement properties. Gas tax would be easier with zero extra administration (government is already too big). It would also punish people with larger vehicles more than people with smaller vehicles. For urban dwellers, even though they get worse mileage in the city, aside from hybrid cars, they travel far less miles in a given day. When i lived in the city, a tank of fuel would last me a full week, i would fill up on weekends. Now i fill up about 3 times a week. Bottomline is roads used to be heavily subsidized by state, federal and local tax dollars which was bolstered by gas taxes and toll fees. Now that the government is low on money with higher unemployment, bigger government, more social programs and such. They are cutting those dollars for roads in order to pay for other programs as well as their rediculous pention. So now the money for roads has to come from somewhere. It's not enough that 34% of my yearly income goes to some kind of tax, but people want more free handouts even though the country can't afford it. Last edited by gggplaya; 01-11-2013 at 01:22 PM. |
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01-11-2013, 01:09 PM | #29 |
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Here's an idea: Lets open a theme park and charger PER RIDE instead of just charging for the use of the park as much as you want between open and close! I bet the park would do excellent, especially the small stands that sell stuff.
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01-11-2013, 01:26 PM | #31 |
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You just described a carnival.
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01-11-2013, 01:43 PM | #32 | |
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A train leaves on a certain schedule. You are adding the extra step of loading all of your goods onto a cargo container, driving it to the trainyard, offloading onto the train. Wait for the train to leave towards it's destination. At every stop the train will offload and reload some cargo. Trains have to slow down for certain intersections. Then when it gets to your nearby train stop(which would be hours of driving in the midwest). You have to get your cargo offloaded. Then drive to your destination and offload your cargo like normal. An 18 wheeler is different. First truck drivers usually keep 2 log books and fudge them as needed to make their destination in record time. They can leave and travel as soon as their cargo is loaded. They have to stop every 150 miles for a 15 minute break and check their cargo(flatbed trailer). They have to take so many sleep breaks if it's a long haul. I've been all over the country for my job, i work with truck drivers all the time to move my goods. While a train has its uses and in some circumstances can be better for transporting if your product doesn't need to ship very fast, and you're located relatively close to a train depot. But i really don't see anyone investing trillions of dollars into buying land, tearing down houses, and laying down tracks in the vast open united states. Trucking will continue because time is money. America is one of the worst countries for being too fast paced in a "want it now" impatient society. If you tax per mile, if you raise the price of fuel, if you tax by vehicle size and weight, or per axle, trucking will continue. They'll just charge higher fees and as an end result your groceries as well as other good will go way up in price. Keep in mind that about 65% of our produce and seafood is imported into the U.S. So that all has to be trucked in from an east coast or west coast port to you local city in a very timely manner(due to spoiling). Last edited by gggplaya; 01-11-2013 at 01:50 PM. |
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01-11-2013, 01:47 PM | #33 | |
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01-11-2013, 01:58 PM | #34 |
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Gas tax?
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01-11-2013, 02:07 PM | #35 |
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Every carnival I've been to has just a gate entrance fee. It's all the stupid crap like side shows and freak attractions that cost extra, which I don't do anyways. Also, they are no where near as expensive and even if they did charge per ride, I bet it's like $1 a ride. What we would see here is more like $20 to enter the park and $5 per ride, ultimately resulting in the same $50 ticket for people who use VERY VERY little and then much more for people who drive the average, and heaven forbid you drive OVER the average mileage. You might as well move from your nice suburban neighborhood to the big city, crowded, small, tight, overly expensive areas where you own NO actual property and pay $600/mo for 50 square feet of living space.
Yeah... never going to happen. **** big city life and the conglomeration of tons of people, which results in a disproportionate increase in uneducated, low life people being held up by the forced helping hand of other's because of forced moral values. |
01-11-2013, 02:08 PM | #36 |
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So it's decided then, gas tax since it's easier to implement. Done and done.
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01-11-2013, 02:33 PM | #37 |
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I say start drilling and building more refinery's, stop exporting 1/3 of our oil/fuel to non US country's. Tell all the tree hugging people to go hug a tree and stay out of politics and stop causing such a backlash when our nation actually tries to take a step forward in the right direction.
If we just started fending for ourselves when it comes to Oil, our nation would pull itself up out of this financial trouble and create tons of jobs on so many levels within a few years. Granted those years may be hard and lean till things are up and running but the economy and pretty much all other issues would snap back surprisingly fast. The US relies far too much on the rest of the worlds oil, when in all reality we have as much if not more untapped oil just sitting in the ground. The tables could so easily be turned if we as a nation would just pull up our boot straps and grow a pair on so many of these issues. Gas Tax is the simplest and fairest solution. |
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Agreed. That or get rid of some of the bloat the government has in pretty much EVERY one of its departments, streamline it efficiency wise, and see where that gets you in terms of cost savings.
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01-11-2013, 02:40 PM | #39 |
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If by streamline you mean continuously keep increasing the size of the standing army of federal employees every single year, year after year, then yes.
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VA has an interesting plan. Drop all state gas taxes and replace it with a 0.8% sales tax.
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In all reality I dont ever see the current problems ever being solved, but getting worse until the end. |
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01-11-2013, 05:19 PM | #44 | |
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Total Federal employment in 1962: 5,354,000 Total Federal employment in 2010: 4,443,000 2010 even includes temporary workers for the census. Peak Federal employment occurred in 1968 at 6,639,000 http://www.opm.gov/feddata/historica...tsince1962.asp |
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01-11-2013, 05:56 PM | #47 |
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How about the government learns to live within it's means? How's that for an idea? Ridiculous!!!
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We could probably save millions a year by not putting 3-4 cops at every road construction site at 50 buck an hour
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Gas tax makes sense, mileage tax not so much. |
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