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07-12-2018, 05:30 PM | #101 |
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With the next STI coming later than I thought, at least I'll be able to test drive that and the next RS and R at the same time and they'll be new at the same time. Assuming of course the RS lags behind the ST only slightly and doesn't arrive at the end of the cycle. Also assuming there will be a new STI...
Will be fascinating to see how Subaru competes with VW and Ford next time around...
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07-12-2018, 05:43 PM | #102 |
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07-12-2018, 11:45 PM | #103 | ||
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Yeah I can see a 5 year thing happening, which is why I’m not ruling out MY20 jump just yet. Basically no one knows... we’ll see it when we see it. Though I kinda doubt they’d enhance the SGP. The whole point is to cut costs with one platform and enhancements just adds back cost. And it’s interesting about the brz. I’d like to see it get on the SGP so hopefully it’s in the cards. |
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07-12-2018, 11:57 PM | #104 |
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Subaru should just skip their next design plan for the WRX and use the idea they have after THAT one. That way it's technically two designs ahead and then the design is both relevant and remains so.
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07-13-2018, 12:08 AM | #105 |
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They are likely already doing that by tying the Impreza refresh in with the WRX.
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07-13-2018, 05:58 AM | #106 |
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This thread is a week or so old now... thats means we could be less than one year away now :P
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07-13-2018, 08:25 AM | #107 |
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They can take as long as they want. Because I'm sure I'll want to buy whatever they're cooking up. And that's not a good decision for me right now.
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07-13-2018, 10:11 AM | #108 | |
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07-13-2018, 11:53 AM | #109 |
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Hybrid adds more weight than power. At this stage it’s pointless IMO in a compact body AWD performance car with current tech options. Look at how much a plain Jane Prius costs and how much it weighs. It doesn’t pencil out until Subaru is willing to ditch their AWD system in favor of some version of a hub motor setup. But by the time that is a viable option, Subaru will be last to the table with that setup as every larger menu will have something out there on the market. Easy AWD for all doesn’t bode well for Subaru.
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07-13-2018, 11:58 AM | #110 | ||
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There are no other R models in the US though. There are "R-Line" models, similar to what Subaru has done, or at least said they would do, with the sti? but no R's. Quote:
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07-13-2018, 12:27 PM | #111 | |
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If there is speculation on if the next RS will be a hybrid, I don't think it will be in the upcoming RS. It takes 4-5 years to engineer and release a vehicle with 2-3 years between engine recycles. The current RS was probably engineered back in 2011. The next gen one was probably started like a year or two ago. Ford would not be stupid enough to scrap 1-2 years of work to change fill the speculation of a hybrid going on now. Ford is a little on the conservative side, so I don't expect a hybrid performance engine on a low selling vehicle right off the bat. It may come in during a refresh. For VW, I can totally see them doing this. I honestly hope that it doesn't come until MK9. The upcoming MK8 may be the last, driver's oriented golf platform that we get. I read somewhere that by MK9, VW will be on the automated train by then. I have my own doubts on that, but we shall see. Can't say much on the Subaru end. They are a niche company so all the automotive stuff I know from larger companies don't always apply in the same way. |
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07-13-2018, 01:39 PM | #112 | |
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For one, there's no indication that the north american R will be losing the manual transmission, Canadian R build sheets apparently are out, with no indication that there's a loss of the manual transmission. What happened though, is in VW dropped the manual R, likely temporarily. In September WLTP standards are replacing DEDC standards, I think in all of Europe? VW has to re-test every single car and configuration that it makes. Given that the MK8 golf comes out in Europe next year, they're likely to just have a one year hiatus on the manual. It remains to be seen what happens for the MK8 R. Guaranteed they're developing a manual for the GTI because the European take rate for that is huge and it WILL be certified on the WLTP standards, and considering that the manual in the R is no different than the one in the GTI, the US will likely still get that option. Whether or not they can meet the new WLTP standards or not with the manual in the MK8 R remains to be seen. long story short... no they have not said that the manual R is dead. They did say that it will likely be electrified though. Probably keeping the same 300hp petrol motor but with an electronic rear differential in place of the existing haldex unit. Golf R is already on a shared frame with the E-Golf (other golfs are on a different frame), so fitting some batteries would be easy. |
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07-13-2018, 04:17 PM | #113 | |
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The RS is Euro product and Ford Europe has said the next RS will be a hybrid. Euro emissions regs are very aggressive and all the companies releasing performance cars for the Euro market will have to continue to reduce emissions and they are all going to use battery/hybrid solutions to meet these metrics. VAG has said this, as well as Ford, and there have been hints from Subaru this will be the case with them as well. |
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07-13-2018, 04:18 PM | #114 | |
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07-13-2018, 05:16 PM | #115 |
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I like what chano said about him wanting subie to base the next wrx on a next gen platform and not the current impreza. Then we'd get a brand new car with brand new interior, styling and tech. They wont do this though and instead we'll get a MY21 wrx which will feels 4 years dated (interior and exterior as there's only so much adding fenders does) as the Impreza is MY17. But they should base the next impreza off the next WRX I reckon. That would blow the industries mind.
Re hybrids for next RS and R... high probability on that one given execs been saying this. I think I'm ok with this personally. By then I'll be done with manuals in traffic. Yes more weight but if it's matched with 400hp (like rumoured) and a good auto tranny then sign me up.... the current WRX is way less fun than they used to be anyways..... |
07-13-2018, 05:18 PM | #116 | |
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07-13-2018, 05:43 PM | #117 | |
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I guess I just don't really know what an econobox performance interior is supposed to look like? I've always liked most interiors. However, I generally find VW/Audi interiors and anything upscale to be way too tech-heavy. Honda and Toyota are pretty simple layouts. The Ford Escape rental I had wasn't intuitive, especially with the steering wheel controls being backwards. Jeep puts their buttons in odd places. |
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07-13-2018, 05:43 PM | #118 | |
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CC has an R-line trim, not true R. |
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07-13-2018, 05:54 PM | #119 | |
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What is being reported is exactly what I stated above... that emissions regulations is requiring VW to re-test every single car they sell, and they're not re-testing the R manual for it's one remaining year before the MK8 comes out in Europe. This does not apply to US R's. Not to say it won't happen, but that's not what's being reported. Manual R's languish on dealer's lots. Not sure what % manual vs dsg are sent to the US, but DSG clearly sells better. |
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07-13-2018, 10:13 PM | #120 | |
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07-13-2018, 10:55 PM | #121 | |
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07-13-2018, 11:51 PM | #122 |
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How could this happen unless the sales manager was in on it? Don’t you guys run the VIN number and check car fax and stuff like that on any trade? I don’t see how that could happen just by mistake?
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07-14-2018, 12:05 AM | #123 |
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Was this back in 2004? Subaru dealers back in the day weren't so demanding of VINs. Now they have to have it for pretty much everything.
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07-14-2018, 08:35 AM | #124 |
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Totally agree. As much as I want this new wrx/sti to come out. I plan to order one the minute I can, and honestly it would be better for me if it was a year or two away lmfao
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07-14-2018, 06:53 PM | #125 | |
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EVERYTHING now is VIN based. When this happened, not so much(at least at my dealer). Manager definitely wasn't in on it as he kicked himself for a while. It turned out to not be as bad. Someone knew the car and was willing to pay what we put in it. So, a wash was a good thing. |
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