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Old 07-03-2019, 09:04 AM   #51
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Hmm, technology question. I wonder if the ability to 3D print magnets will catch on with electric motor development.
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Old 07-03-2019, 09:30 AM   #52
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Hmm, While I don't really fit into the E's demographics (or any EV for that matter). There is one huge redeeming quality about electric cars. If this trend continues we could see a RWD renaissance. (I will forever miss you manual transmissions...)


DAMN you for taking away all my fun. (quick somebody give me some clutch fluid stat!)
The manual was on the way out anyways, much to my chagrin. But this isn't a bad consolation prize.
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Old 07-03-2019, 10:08 AM   #53
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:52 AM   #54
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Well, the camera mirrors can't be implemented here in the states unless they change the vehicle requirements, so we don't need to worry about those.

Again, give me a little more pep, and I'd put in a deposit.
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:21 PM   #55
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re: rear mirror requirements

https://www.federalregister.gov/d/E9-4500/p-96

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FMVSS No. 111, Rearview Mirrors establishes requirements for the use, field of view, and mounting of motor vehicle rearview mirrors for rear visibility.[10] This standard was enacted in 1976 and applies to passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, buses, school buses and motorcycles. The purpose of this standard is to reduce the number of deaths and injuries that occur when the driver of a motor vehicle does not have a clear and reasonably unobstructed view to the rear. With respect to passenger cars, the standard requires that manufacturers mount flat (also referred to as “plane” or “unit magnification”) mirrors both inside the vehicle and outside the vehicle on the driver's side. The inside mirror must, except as specified below, have a field of view at least 20 degrees wide and a sufficient vertical angle to provide a view of a level road surface extending to the horizon beginning not more than 200 feet (61 m) behind the vehicle. In cases where the interior mirror does not meet the specified field of view requirements, a plane or convex exterior mirror must be mounted on the passenger's side of the car. While a specific field of view is not indicated for the passenger-side rearview mirror, the driver's side rearview mirror is required to be a plane mirror that provides “the driver a view of a level road surface extending to the horizon from a line, perpendicular to a longitudinal plane tangent to the driver's side of the vehicle at the widest point, extending 2.4 m (7.9 ft) out from the tangent plane 10.7 m (35.1 ft) behind the driver's eyes, with the seat in the rearmost position.”
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FMVSS No. 111 does not currently establish minimum rear field of view requirements for vehicles, nor does it contain minimum requirements for indirect vision systems, such as rearview video systems. Because of the current absence of a federal regulation of this aspect of performance, there is the possibility that there may be existing State laws or regulations that regulate the vehicle's rear field of view of passenger vehicles.[11] However, as of this time, NHTSA is not aware of any such State laws or regulations. However, we request comment on existing or pending State laws or regulations in this area, as well as the basis and effect of such regulation, if any exist.
I'm not sure if its possible to get a waiver since this technology meets the goals of this law or not, but i'd be willing to toss any officials who try to block this car into the proverbial wood chipper.
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:39 PM   #56
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I'm not sure if its possible to get a waiver since this technology meets the goals of this law or not, but i'd be willing to toss any officials who try to block this car into the proverbial wood chipper.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.do...518_v3-tag.pdf

NHTSA has already looked at it. Tesla, Audi, Diamler, etc. all want this, and are petitioning to change FMVSS 111 to allow cameras. The Audi eTron is available with side view cameras in markets that allow it, but not in the US. This is pretty settled at the moment, nobody is going to be able to just plop a car on the showroom floor with camera side view mirrors.
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:42 PM   #57
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well here the RWD leaf I wanted; if the price comes in under 30k it would be hard to pass up, oh right, it would also have to make it to this side of the pond.
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:42 PM   #58
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https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.do...518_v3-tag.pdf

NHTSA has already looked at it. Tesla, Audi, Diamler, etc. all want this, and are petitioning to change FMVSS 111 to allow cameras. The Audi eTron is available with side view cameras in markets that allow it, but not in the US. This is pretty settled at the moment, nobody is going to be able to just plop a car on the showroom floor with camera side view mirrors.
Wood Chipper it is, then.

Now, Honda, build this car too:

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Old 07-06-2019, 12:24 AM   #59
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The more I see, the more I like what Honda is doing with this. However, I disagree with the justification for the E's relatively limited range compared to brand "T" stated in the video. But that's just from my POV based on how I would use the vehicle. Agree a dedicated sporting runabout version on this platform is needed.
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Old 07-06-2019, 03:18 PM   #60
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https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.do...518_v3-tag.pdf

NHTSA has already looked at it. Tesla, Audi, Diamler, etc. all want this, and are petitioning to change FMVSS 111 to allow cameras. The Audi eTron is available with side view cameras in markets that allow it, but not in the US. This is pretty settled at the moment, nobody is going to be able to just plop a car on the showroom floor with camera side view mirrors.
The moment GM wants side-view cameras on the GenIII Volt, the laws will change. The DOT only changes policies in order to prop up established domestic corporations.
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The manual was on the way out anyways, much to my chagrin. But this isn't a bad consolation prize.
As a life-long manual-or-bust driver, I've never wanted a manual trans in any of the electric cars I've driven. Having a torquey motor that's always in the right gear (1st and Reverse) with loads of "engine braking" at all times is perfect. The biggest drawbacks of driving EVs is falling out of love with the crappy narrow powerbands of ICEs.
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Old 07-06-2019, 08:29 PM   #61
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The moment GM wants side-view cameras on the GenIII Volt, the laws will change. The DOT only changes policies in order to prop up established domestic corporations.


As a life-long manual-or-bust driver, I've never wanted a manual trans in any of the electric cars I've driven. Having a torquey motor that's always in the right gear (1st and Reverse) with loads of "engine braking" at all times is perfect. The biggest drawbacks of driving EVs is falling out of love with the crappy narrow powerbands of ICEs.
The only ICE that I truly enjoy ae the torque less wonder 2.0 from the S2000 with the stratospheric scream, and (only video recordings) the engine note of the flat crank V8 inside the stang.

I honestly crave a reverse trike with an electric motor. I feel that would be the craziest experience. Something like the now dead Morgan EV or the still born GX3 from VW


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Old 07-29-2019, 01:02 PM   #62
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:20 PM   #63
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Well done Honda
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Old 07-29-2019, 02:45 PM   #64
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Looks like it's quite responsive and quick to the touch. Are both screens touch-responsive or just the one closest to the driver?

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I'd say both screens since the passenger side pretty much mirrors the driver side and the beginning of the clip says "dual touch screen experience"
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Old 07-30-2019, 06:12 AM   #66
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I like that concept.

“Here passenger, these are the buttons I am allowing you to use”
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Old 09-10-2019, 08:44 AM   #67
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Price announced:
About 32-35k for the 137 mile range car.

https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/10/...&utm_source=dl

Looks cute, but not 35k cute. Even with the tax incentives.
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Old 09-10-2019, 09:16 AM   #68
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At $24K it would have been spectacular, at $35K it's MEH.
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Old 09-10-2019, 09:39 PM   #69
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I don't think doing a straight GBP to USD conversion is very accurate. Look at the price of a Honda Civic 4 door there, they are around 26K GBP for an EX auto on the UK website and 23K USD on the US website.

In summary, I don't think a 26K GBP car there would be 32K USD here but I could be wrong.
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I think this is just a completely perfect implementation of the EV. I would buy this.
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This would be tempting if we got it in the US.

Most Americans would just complain about the size and their range anxiety. They also wouldn't be happy with the 0-60 in 8 seconds, especially for an electric car. Of course we would also need traditional side mirrors for it in the US. It makes sense why Honda isn't selling it here.
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With RWD, 50:50, they should do autocross demos with these. Similar to how a WRX came with a SCCA membership when they first came out. The range and power pretty much dictate that it would only be good at autocross. But if the autocross lots were suddenly COVERED with these, the way WRXs were in the early 2000's, that would make a pretty strong statement for this car.
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I like this car, things that bug me:

1) Those screens are excessive, what ever happened to K.I.S.S keep it simple stupid?
2) This car is too expensive, especially given its driving range.
3) Why is it not coming to the US?
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I don't think doing a straight GBP to USD conversion is very accurate. Look at the price of a Honda Civic 4 door there, they are around 26K GBP for an EX auto on the UK website and 23K USD on the US website.

In summary, I don't think a 26K GBP car there would be 32K USD here but I could be wrong.
Precisely.. UK and US car costs have never been directly comparable, so don't start now. 26k GBP is a bargain for what's sure to be a cult classic.

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1) Those screens are excessive, what ever happened to K.I.S.S keep it simple stupid?
2) This car is too expensive, especially given its driving range.
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1) It's 2019.. what's not simple about screens in an electric car? They're simple to upgrade and simple to replace. Anyone who says something like this hasn't spent enough time trying to replace old incandescent bulbs in old switch gear, or ever enjoyed the nightmare of trying to replace push-pull cable operated vents in old plastic dashboards.

2) It's 2k GBP cheaper than a base model Leaf with the same range. It's priced wonderfully.
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Precisely.. UK and US car costs have never been directly comparable, so don't start now. 26k GBP is a bargain for what's sure to be a cult classic.



1) It's 2019.. what's not simple about screens in an electric car? They're simple to upgrade and simple to replace. Anyone who says something like this hasn't spent enough time trying to replace old incandescent bulbs in old switch gear, or ever enjoyed the nightmare of trying to replace push-pull cable operated vents in old plastic dashboards.

2) It's 2k GBP cheaper than a base model Leaf with the same range. It's priced wonderfully.
Have you looked at the Honda Clarity or FCX or even the CR-Z dash? Nothing wrong with a compact digital cluster is more appealing.

I am very familiar with replacing incandescent bulbs, painful yes but significantly cheaper than a bad LCD, dead pixels, dead LCD, broken LCD, etc.

Agreed on US/UK pricing. Cult classic, yes I can see that especially given the fact that the production car almost exactly like the concept.

Leaf is not cheap either.
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