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Old 06-17-2019, 12:04 AM   #26
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I wish they would replace the soon to be released ugly fit with a slightly enlarged (bigger battery and motor) version of the Mission E .
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Old 06-23-2019, 12:01 PM   #27
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Cept for the wheels, thatís a pretty dope little ride. I love the shape.
They kinda remind me of Mugen CF48 wheels..

https://www.kingmotorsports.com/blog...-CF-48-MR-5-M7

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Old 07-02-2019, 07:04 AM   #28
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With over 300 Nm of instant torque, it should be a blast to drive around town.

As cute as a button, the Honda E has returned in a fresh set of images depicting a near-production prototype wearing a lime green paint while sitting alongside a white example. The new photo gallery accompanies a press release that contains some important information as we now finally get to learn more about the electric motor's output numbers.

The zero-emissions city car will be powered by a rear-mounted electric motor delivering approximately 150 PS (110 kW) as per the adjacent press release, which works out to about 142 horsepower. Honda says torque will exceed 300 Newton meters (221 pound-feet), and as it is the case with all EVs, itíll be available from the get-go.

Performance details have not been disclosed by Honda, but Autocar has driven the prototype and they say it will do 0 to 60 mph (96 kph) in around eight seconds. The pint-sized electric car should be a blast to drive around town not just because of its more than decent output numbers, but also due to its rear-wheel-drive platform, 50:50 weight distribution, and a low center of gravity. It will even have a dedicated ďSport ModeĒ that will sharpen up the accelerator response for improved performance, likely at the expense of battery energy.

Itís small size with short front and rear overhangs corroborated with a 4.3-meter turning radius should make it ideal for the urban jungle, while comfort for passengers will be granted by the four-wheel independent McPherson Strut setup. Replacing conventional side mirrors, cameras will come as standard equipment even on the base model and will be accompanied by two screens mounted at the corners of the modern dashboard.

Honda wishes to remind us the E will utilize a 35.5-kWh battery pack billed as being one of the most compact in its class. It will have enough juice for more than 124 miles (200 kilometers) and itíll take half an hour to replenish the battery to an 80% level thanks to fast-charging capabilities. The range should be more than adequate for what will essentially be a city car, but we should point out the new Renault Zoe has 242 miles (390 km) of range thanks to a bigger 52-kWh battery.

The diminutive Honda E will premiere in production form later this year, but you can already pre-order one in some parts of Europe.

honda e tech details released Honda E More Specs Revealed: Has 50:50 Weight Distribution honda e side cameras standard Honda E To Get Side Camera Mirror System As Standard
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:26 AM   #29
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I think Honda could sell 100K+ of these a year.
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:28 AM   #30
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Wonder what the price will be on these, 30k?
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:42 AM   #31
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I think Honda could sell 100K+ of these a year.
Now, this car is screaming for a spec class... but what sucks is it's not coming to the US at this point in time.

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Old 07-02-2019, 11:13 AM   #32
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Now, this car is screaming for a spec class... but what sucks is it's not coming to the US at this point in time.

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Honestly, they're small for the US. Only competitors in the US market have been selling very poorly...

As of the end of May:
Fiat 500e - 272
BMW I3 - 1734
Smart ED - 401

So that's a whopping 2400 as of the beginning of June. I can understand why Honda would be a little hesitant to spend all the time and money to bring this thing to the US, where as all of the EU countries buy into the same crash test standards, so they get lots of countries to sell to with minimal testing. They sold over 5500 Clarity's in the same time frame.

If, however, the US could get on board with EU standards, and we could develop a worldwide safety standard instead of this piecemeal system, maybe US customers could have more options. But we can't do that, because this is America and our standards are the best standards. you've never seen better standards...

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Old 07-02-2019, 11:19 AM   #33
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If Honda brings this to USA I will probably buy one. If I can fit in the damn thing.
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Old 07-02-2019, 11:45 AM   #34
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This is an EV made for people who appreciate attractive design more than they appreciate the advantages of EV. That is how this car is unique and why it would sell like hotcakes.
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Honestly, they're small for the US. Only competitors in the US market have been selling very poorly...

As of the end of May:
Fiat 500e - 272
BMW I3 - 1734
Smart ED - 401

So that's a whopping 2400 as of the beginning of June. I can understand why Honda would be a little hesitant to spend all the time and money to bring this thing to the US, where as all of the EU countries buy into the same crash test standards, so they get lots of countries to sell to with minimal testing. They sold over 5500 Clarity's in the same time frame.

If, however, the US could get on board with EU standards, and we could develop a worldwide safety standard instead of this piecemeal system, maybe US customers could have more options. But we can't do that, because this is America and our standards are the best standards. you've never seen better standards...
Exactly. 5500 Claritys. What about Prius and Leaf? No one buys from fringe producers. Fiat? Brand New, and past stigma killed them before they startec. BMW? Other cars for the cost beckon and it's ugly, along with the whole thing, you will be seen in a BMW (Same with Fiat). SMART? They're still around? You picked the fringe outliers.

A small car with HONDA badge? It'll be "Toyota who?" Heck, you'll probably get a lot of MINI converts too.

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yeah, the Leaf topped 400K earlier this year, and this has a better look to it.

I think 50k-100K would be possible even at it's small size.
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Old 07-02-2019, 01:51 PM   #37
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Yup, I definitely see this kicking the i3 and Fiat sales right in the tenders. It's Honda. I've NEVER been excited about an electric car, never even considered looking at one even as a commuter. This car would certainly change that if it was offered here.
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Old 07-02-2019, 02:07 PM   #38
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has a price been mentioned yet?
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Exactly. 5500 Claritys. What about Prius and Leaf? No one buys from fringe producers. Fiat? Brand New, and past stigma killed them before they startec. BMW? Other cars for the cost beckon and it's ugly, along with the whole thing, you will be seen in a BMW (Same with Fiat). SMART? They're still around? You picked the fringe outliers.

A small car with HONDA badge? It'll be "Toyota who?" Heck, you'll probably get a lot of MINI converts too.

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Prius and Leaf are significantly larger than this thing. This is a city commuter. The cars I picked are small city commuters.

I agree though that Honda has much better brand recognition, and thus would likely have much better success.

Believe me, I want this here. If they up the power output a smidge, I'd seriously consider it. I just don't think this is a car that corporate car companies view as an "american" car...
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Prius and Leaf are significantly larger than this thing. This is a city commuter. The cars I picked are small city commuters.
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Project manager Kohei Hitomi said... The car is slightly shorter than the Jazz....
A Jazz is 161.4 to 161.8″
A Prius C is 159.8″

Yes, the leaf is longer by a foot at around 175". Got me there (didn't think it was that long), but I think this is going to be about the size of the Prius (C), ~160"ish

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The Leaf is larger than most realize. It had more interior room than the Murano, and was significantly larger than the Juke/Rogue.
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A Jazz is 161.4 to 161.8″
A Prius C is 159.8″

Yes, the leaf is longer by a foot at around 175". Got me there (didn't think it was that long), but I think this is going to be about the size of the Prius (C), ~160"ish

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we can talk in numbers all day long, but this thing isn't big. The wheel base looks smaller than a fit to me.



I see this car as fitting in the category of "if it were just a little bigger" for most US consumers.
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A hoot on the commute.

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we can talk in numbers all day long, but this thing isn't big. The wheel base looks smaller than a fit to me.



I see this car as fitting in the category of "if it were just a little bigger" for most US consumers.
Man I dunno looks like a more usable Fit and Fits are everywhere. By everywhere I mean college towns and the coasts.
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I like it but the power and range appear to be underwhelming compared to the i3.
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Range is weak for the U.S. but ideal for European city usage, probably even APAC region.
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Delete because I found actual info regarding size.

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Old 07-02-2019, 11:09 PM   #48
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A Jazz is 161.4 to 161.8″
A Prius C is 159.8″

Yes, the leaf is longer by a foot at around 175". Got me there (didn't think it was that long), but I think this is going to be about the size of the Prius (C), ~160"ish

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I had to watch a video, but the thing is 153.34" long. the rear seating seems to be a bit tight do to the fact its RWD, and the trunk is a bit tight as well. It appears more of a two seater and a four seater for short runs.

BlitZ



19:50ish for size.

PS This is possibly the only EV that I would seriously buy. Damn you honda for not bringing this state side. Please upsize this a tiny bit and replace the fit with an all EV model.
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Honestly, I want it as is. I am a lean, not too tall person with similarly sized family. This car would fit my life just fine. Just give it a little more oomph.
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Hmm, While I don't really fit into the E's demographics (or any EV for that matter). There is one huge redeeming quality about electric cars. If this trend continues we could see a RWD renaissance. (I will forever miss you manual transmissions...)


DAMN you for taking away all my fun. (quick somebody give me some clutch fluid stat!)
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