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Old 04-17-2021, 07:35 AM   #8676
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The Panamera has always been too big. Keep its five door layout and reduce its dimensions, mass and cost by 20-30% and they’ll have a winner.
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Old 04-18-2021, 10:17 AM   #8677
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The Panamera has always been too big. Keep its five door layout and reduce its dimensions, mass and cost by 20-30% and they’ll have a winner.
The body and styling of the Taycan is what the Panamera should have been from day 1
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Old 04-18-2021, 12:23 PM   #8678
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The Taycan is the only electric car that gets me excited.
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Old 04-18-2021, 10:43 PM   #8679
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The Panamera has always been too big. Keep its five door layout and reduce its dimensions, mass and cost by 20-30% and they’ll have a winner.
Aka an A7 lol
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Old 04-19-2021, 02:20 AM   #8680
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Aka an A7 lol
Aren’t they virtually the same size?
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Old 04-20-2021, 09:11 PM   #8681
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I used to think I prefered the GT4 over the GT3 because of the size and layout... But man, these reviews... I think I'd go GT3 this time around.
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Old 04-21-2021, 12:04 AM   #8682
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The front end still takes some getting used to for me. The hood vents and black lip/diffuser/whatever you want to call it are kind of odd. Rear end is nice as hell though, the swan neck wing looks cool and the lightbar style taillights are growing on me. The bare rear end of the regular 911 looks kind of funky, but any model with even a small spoiler i.e. Turbo makes it look a lot better.

Big yuck on the pain-matched rim though.
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Old 04-21-2021, 10:22 AM   #8683
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All those race car effects look fine on the actual RSR race car its styled after but it's too much on a Road car in my opinion.

Still won't stop preorders from being sold out and good for those customers. Still prefer the looks of the 991 generation cars over the 992.

And given that the majority of the new GT owners will never track them, make them garage Queens and take them out to their weekend C&C and maybe occasional Porsche group drives, all those race car effects are kind of wasted IMHO.

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Old 04-21-2021, 10:23 AM   #8684
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I'm surprised these rear bumper vents are fake on a GT car


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Old 04-21-2021, 10:35 AM   #8685
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I'm surprised these rear bumper vents are fake on a GT car
I think you mean disappointed? Not that I'll be able to get my hands on one.
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Old 04-21-2021, 10:44 AM   #8686
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I think you mean disappointed? Not that I'll be able to get my hands on one.
I'd only be disappointed if I was planning to actually buy one, since I'm not, won't waste those emotions on this little thing.
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Old 04-21-2021, 10:51 AM   #8687
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Funniest quote from Matt Farah'S review: when you're driving a GT3, no gear ever ends, every gear is like a movie villains hand gun, it keeps going and going '

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Old 04-21-2021, 11:47 AM   #8688
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All those race car effects look fine on the actual RSR race car its styled after but it's too much on a Road car in my opinion.

Still won't stop preorders from being sold out and good for those customers. Still prefer the looks of the 991 generation cars over the 992.

And given that the majority of the new GT owners will never track them, make them garage Queens and take them out to their weekend C&C and maybe occasional Porsche group drives, all those race car effects are kind of wasted IMHO.
Since when are the GT2/3/4 cars intended to be primarily road cars? The whole point of them is "race cars that you can drive on the road". If you don't want race styling and want a road car, buy the GTS - pretty simple.
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Old 04-21-2021, 12:22 PM   #8689
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Since when are the GT2/3/4 cars intended to be primarily road cars? The whole point of them is "race cars that you can drive on the road". If you don't want race styling and want a road car, buy the GTS - pretty simple.
Unless they are RS cars they are still ultimately meant to be road cars, if not the most hardcore road cars.

My comments you quoted don't apply at all to any of their RS variants, make them as goddamn race car as you like, and if someone wants to break their spine driving to the grocery story, that's entirely on them.
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Old 04-21-2021, 12:33 PM   #8690
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Unless they are RS cars they are still ultimately meant to be road cars, if not the most hardcore road cars.

My comments you quoted don't apply at all to any of their RS variants, make them as goddamn race car as you like, and if someone wants to break their spine driving to the grocery story, that's entirely on them.
I think for what the GT3 is supposed to be, the styling (from my perspective) isn't overly aggressive. All the GT cars (incl previous gens) have more "racy" aero fascia and larger wings than their standard counterparts. I'm sure they'll soon announce a Touring variant sans wing which will sell out in approximately .00005 secs and ppl will be listing their build slots for $30-$50k
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Old 04-21-2021, 12:45 PM   #8691
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I think for what the GT3 is supposed to be, the styling (from my perspective) isn't overly aggressive. All the GT cars (incl previous gens) have more "racy" aero fascia and larger wings than their standard counterparts. I'm sure they'll soon announce a Touring variant sans wing which will sell out in approximately .00005 secs and ppl will be listing their build slots for $30-$50k
I would actually consider putting in a deposit for a build slot for a 992 GT3 Touring just to flip it later, but I have no pull with any local dealership to even have a realistic chance at an allocation
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Old 04-21-2021, 12:58 PM   #8692
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I would actually consider putting in a deposit for a build slot for a 992 GT3 Touring just to flip it later, but I have no pull with any local dealership to even have a realistic chance at an allocation
Normal GT3 builds are for plebs - if you really wanna maximize your $ gotta get a Bougie PTS build allotment
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Old 04-21-2021, 01:28 PM   #8694
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Normal GT3 builds are for plebs - if you really wanna maximize your $ gotta get a Bougie PTS build allotment
Is that a separate build slot? I thought an allocation was an allocation and you have the option to tick the PTS box.


However I do get if you choose a really wacky PTS color that won't be easily sellable to another customer if you flake on the purchase come delivery time, the dealership may reject your PTS bid unless you're really in their good graces.
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Old 04-21-2021, 01:41 PM   #8695
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PTS build slots are much more limited for GT cars, but they're all the rage with the Porschephiles (It's definitely easier to get them for normal models). I remember the Owner of my local store being annoyed he couldn't get PTS on his RS 4.0 but did manage to get it for his GT2RS (oak green metallic). As long as you stick with colors in the Porsche handbook, I've never seen it hurt the resale on a GT car - in fact most of them I see listed at a markup

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Old 04-21-2021, 03:12 PM   #8696
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the problem is there are still a bunch of people who bought 918s who still have multiple allotments for PTS/Special wishes cars - like if you were one of the people who pre-paid for a 918 when it was announced you got 6 (iirc) slots for any special car you wanted - most went Cayman GT4 911R 997.2 GT2RS and then still got three allotments
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Old 04-26-2021, 02:11 PM   #8697
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Did the Porsche driving experience in LA over the weekend. Did the 911 Turbo VS GT3 package and i'm pretty sure i'm still hard from the weekend.

Did nearly 50 minutes of track time, the wet drifting track for maybe 5 minutes, and the launch control pad. Holy mother of god, that 911 Turbo is the most violent accelerating vehicle I have ever driven. How axles, wheels, etc don't snap upon launch is a feat of engineering. 12/10, would own for a fun car if I had the funds to do so.

The GT3 was pure eargasm at 9k RPM's. You can definitely feel difference in weight between the two and i'm just blown away by how much power they pull from that flat 6.

If given 1 of the 2 cars to choose from, it would be a damn hard decision. The 911 accelerates so violently, the exhaust pops are addicting, the awd is nice but there is something that cant be replicated of a screaming H6 at 9k rpms.

I need to win the lotto.
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Did the Porsche driving experience in LA over the weekend. Did the 911 Turbo VS GT3 package and i'm pretty sure i'm still hard from the weekend.

Did nearly 50 minutes of track time, the wet drifting track for maybe 5 minutes, and the launch control pad. Holy mother of god, that 911 Turbo is the most violent accelerating vehicle I have ever driven. How axles, wheels, etc don't snap upon launch is a feat of engineering. 12/10, would own for a fun car if I had the funds to do so.

The GT3 was pure eargasm at 9k RPM's. You can definitely feel difference in weight between the two and i'm just blown away by how much power they pull from that flat 6.

If given 1 of the 2 cars to choose from, it would be a damn hard decision. The 911 accelerates so violently, the exhaust pops are addicting, the awd is nice but there is something that cant be replicated of a screaming H6 at 9k rpms.

I need to win the lotto.
That's awesome. I nearly exit the freeway every time I go to Ikea, my wife has to redirect.
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Old 04-26-2021, 03:14 PM   #8700
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Did the Porsche driving experience in LA over the weekend. Did the 911 Turbo VS GT3 package and i'm pretty sure i'm still hard from the weekend.

Did nearly 50 minutes of track time, the wet drifting track for maybe 5 minutes, and the launch control pad. Holy mother of god, that 911 Turbo is the most violent accelerating vehicle I have ever driven. How axles, wheels, etc don't snap upon launch is a feat of engineering. 12/10, would own for a fun car if I had the funds to do so.

The GT3 was pure eargasm at 9k RPM's. You can definitely feel difference in weight between the two and i'm just blown away by how much power they pull from that flat 6.

If given 1 of the 2 cars to choose from, it would be a damn hard decision. The 911 accelerates so violently, the exhaust pops are addicting, the awd is nice but there is something that cant be replicated of a screaming H6 at 9k rpms.

I need to win the lotto.
IMHO the owners of the latest model Turbo owners (991.1-2, 992) mostly fall under a few groups.

1. Those who care most about max stats (power, speed, accel times)
2. All about fastest straight line pulls to compete with other exotics out there
3. Ride in absolute luxury and comfort when otherwise just tooling around town.

The GT3 owners

1. Drivers who don't care about having the absolute top Stat numbers
2. Drivers who want to actually drive with full sound & Fury and the curvier the road, the better.
3. Less comfort = better

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