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08-08-2019, 01:26 PM | #26 |
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Not enough tree huggers in India I suppose. They think like you?
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08-08-2019, 01:51 PM | #27 | |
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In Germany they have switched to expensive renewable energy sources for electricity (and Russian gas...), but everyone uses wood stoves to heat their house which of course contributes to particulate emission concentration, same as the dirty VW diesels! https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/...rina_Rippl.pdf There's no easy affordable answer. And I say that as someone who has a Tesla (charged at work) but runs everything else in the house on natural gas. |
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08-08-2019, 02:29 PM | #28 | |
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We need to start building better buildings. Period. There is no other option. I'm a certified passive house consultant. Energy use in buildings is what I do. Code officials really need to get to tightening the ropes on our building codes to get them way more efficient than they currently are. Unfortunately that has deepening consequences as most major cities face a housing crisis, because it makes homes (a little) more expensive. The dollar calculations on payoff just don't crunch out a lot of the time, even if the carbon offset it gives is massive. Without subsidies, the market is not driving towards it. But when fossil fuel costs are artificially low because of government subsidies, it's not really an even playing field... Problem is, there's no money to be made in people paying less to live, so there's no incentive (dollars in the back pocket) for officials to make change. The people lining their pockets are the ones who stand to gain by us continuing to march down a path of burning everything that's in the ground until there's literally nothing left. |
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08-08-2019, 03:49 PM | #29 |
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The retrofit costs to get a house 100% electric (including EVs) are nuts. Putting insulation into old houses, replacing totally functioning stoves and close dryers with electric units, wiring up for 220 volt car chargers, etc.
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08-09-2019, 12:04 PM | #30 |
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08-09-2019, 01:04 PM | #31 | |
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Colorado to join CARB in 2023
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Lifecycle GHG assessment is not a new thing, and it’s been part of the calculus of vehicle types for a long while. Very same dude’s data shows that there’s a net benefit under most assumptions at ~60-80,000 km of usage. Make the underlying electricity cleaner (which it is doing constantly) or lower the CO2 cost for creating the battery and the curves cross even earlier. http://www.f.waseda.jp/jin.kusaka/2019_grebe.pdf I also don’t see an accounting of the GHG cost of getting crude out of Saudi Arabia, shipping it across the world for refinement, then shipping the finished product to one’s local gas station. That’s a very energy and water intensive process. Maybe I missed it. |
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08-09-2019, 01:10 PM | #32 |
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My battery lawn mower does the same job my gas mower did but without the noise or the stink or the constant fussing with the oil and fuel or a can of gas just chilling out in the shed. Dat political agenda.
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08-09-2019, 01:18 PM | #33 |
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Can't wait for my mower to bite the dust so I have a reason to buy an electric one. Unfortunately it's a honda, so it'll probably run forever... I haven't changed the oil for the 5 years I've owned it, and it was given to me, so who knows if it was ever maintained before that. I also keep it outside year round. Still starts on the first pull, every time.
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08-09-2019, 01:55 PM | #34 |
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I sold my gas yard equipment a few years ago when I moved across the country. Bought battery electric stuff to replace it. No regrets.
Gotta love the guy that's constantly posting the oil-industry-backed, skewed, alt-science claiming political agenda. |
08-09-2019, 02:15 PM | #35 |
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Interesting conversation by passionate people on both sides. Los angles is a smog pit, but that honestly has more to do with the single worst geography and metro planning on earth. The entire city is surrounded by mountains and it keeps the crud in. Stricter laws were needed. However, those same laws are absolutely NOT needed in rural parts of country and in most cities where wind can move the particulate away. This is government thinking one solution is applicable to everybody and that is so rarely the case it may as well be an untruth.
Now, having said that, Is having clean air a good thing? I do not think anybody on the D or R side has ever said it is bad to have clean air, ever. Broad sweeping retrofitting is stupid and costly. Gradual phasing out of things is the smart way to go. Keeping the petroleum flowing fast and furious is also smart as we continue to increase green energy that can be scaled up and made more viable. As it matures and starts to produce useful amounts of reliable energy, the demand for petroleum will drop, and we can get greener while we keep the price of energy low. That is the key. None of this will be cheap in the mean time. Expect the price of cars in CO to escalate accordingly like they have in the past. More equipment to pay for until OEM's get sick of adding so much equipment to the car its not worth building any more. The political drive to get people into EV's is very strong. I favor people always having a choice, and truthfully I think that will be the status quo for a very long time Now, lets talk about the idiocy of not using natural gas. Burns clean as a whistle, is cheap and abundant beyond comprehension. We do not need to get any oil from Saudi to produce natural gas here in the states, that was a complete false comparison. We produce enough oil now to be completely independent of imported oil. Thank you (North Dakota and surrounding area). Cheap energy is good for EVERYBODY. It keep the economy on high. It helps people on the lower end of the economic spectrum. WE need a combined solution to all of this and people need to think long term and stop making energy policies using emotions. Im done. |
08-09-2019, 02:16 PM | #36 | |
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If there is nothing to be concerned with in regards to carbon pollution, perform this science experiment at home: park your car in the garage. Run a large flex hose from tailpipe Through the driver window. Then, get inside the car, start it and let me know how long you can stay in there before you start dying. |
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08-09-2019, 02:52 PM | #37 |
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First, don’t understand why manufacturers can’t just step up to the plate, voluntarily, and make all cars CARB complaint? It’s not like they don’t pass the cost on to the consumers, rolling my eyes.
Second and more off topic. So when are we gonna start regulating “diesel tractor pulling”? Or that exempt because it’s considered a sport? |
08-09-2019, 03:03 PM | #38 | |
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First nobody ever said it was not a problem. The never ending argument comes from how severe a problem it is and how fast we have to solve it. If you have a wood burning fireplace in your house, close the flue and see how long you can stay alive in your living room. We should ban wood right.. Not an equivalence. Any pollution is an issue. And we should do smart things to pollute less. But eventually we will consume the entire planet and make it mostly unlivable. That is inevitable. It may take 500 or more years, but it will happen. So lets try to make that number as big as we can in the mean time. But we are not dealing with any emergencies or crisis. We have time to do this intelligently. |
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08-09-2019, 03:04 PM | #39 | |
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Until oil subsidies disappear, EV will never be on an even footing with ICE. |
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08-09-2019, 03:42 PM | #40 | |
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08-09-2019, 04:13 PM | #41 |
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Perhaps it's already happened, but I'm waiting for state legislation banning EV's because they stress the grid and don't pay for roads.
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08-09-2019, 05:04 PM | #42 |
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08-09-2019, 05:09 PM | #43 |
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living in California I can say going CARB is good for the long run, but also I agree there are area's in the regulation that should be fixed/updated/removed.
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08-09-2019, 05:11 PM | #44 |
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Re natural gas:
- methane escape all along the chain is very problematic climate-wise - CNG tanks are very bulky and heavy, arguably more difficult to integrate than battery packs - bifuel gasoline/CNG vehicles are compromised when running on CNG, to the order of something like 20% lower power and miles per gallon equivalent Finally, dedicated CNG vehicles are a non-starter. See market failure of the Honda Civic GX, later known as Civic Natural Gas. This is most likely because no one wants to pay more for a still fossil-fueled vehicle that has very limited refueling infrastructure and no easy way to refuel at home. (There were some attempts at home vehicle refueling devices but they were similarly failures, expensive @~$4-6k + electricity cost to compress low pressure NG that comes to homes, and only mountable on the exterior of one’s garage due to fire codes, iirc.) So if you run a fleet in Oklahoma and can fuel up for effectively free from your own wells, sure, convert your 3/4 ton work trucks to that. (Same goes for fleet operators of garbage trucks and the like.) But for Joe Sixpack? No way. |
08-09-2019, 06:48 PM | #45 |
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I don't think there are any... I think some of them might get a few added components though. I recall back when I had my motorcycle that there were a few added nuances with the CARB versions that I didn't have to deal with when I was messing with the carburetor.
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08-09-2019, 06:58 PM | #46 |
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I know California has their own engine version for an 09 forester.
I just replaced the block in one and there is a Federal Emissions version EJ253, California version and Canada version |
08-14-2019, 12:50 AM | #47 |
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08-14-2019, 02:20 AM | #48 | |
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They wised up though now and just make "world motors" that are speced for pretty much any market as most manufacturers have. But Europe just introduced those new exhaust filters which are causing a headache again. |
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