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Old 02-10-2018, 07:45 PM   #101
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Hehe yes that is it. IIRC it was called driver's edition here in the US. It came with white gauges and now I know that it also came with the Golf ball shift knob. Very cool. Yes it has an anchor in the front but oh my did that VR6 sound fantastic with a CAI.
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:55 AM   #102
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So I decided to test drive a GTI SE 6mt today, local dealer had one in stock and although the snow has mostly melted, the roads are covered in sand so I figured I could get the front tires to spin &/or slide a bit at low speeds.

Turned off all the nannies I could, apparently ESC can only be "limited" not turned off, but TC is supposed to be "off", and the LSD is supposed to still function (mechanical with electrical aide so makes sense).

During a straight line run tire spin occured around 4,300+/- I experienced fuel cut around 4,500. I tried again and again, made sure everything was as off as it could be, salesman verified everything for me too, cycled the ignition and turned everything off again after restart to no avail. Even with TC off and ESC "limited" (hold the button until you get the prompt) it cuts fuel when it senses tire slip.

Also experienced fuel cut on a tight right turn; inner wheel started to spin, and fuel cut shortly after, somewhere around 4,500-4,700.

I'm fine with manus putting in all the nannies for the general pop, but if I'm forced to deal with pushing the off button every time I cycle the ignition it should actually turn stuff off.

Why did I do this? I live in New England, regularly drive in crap weather, and grew up driving in crap weather; drivers aides do nothing but hinder me in bad weather, so I turn them off because I know how to drive (my car doesn't have them anyways, the wife's does though.)

Clearly not the car for me. On the interior - I was in the SE - faux leather wrapped seats were bolstered and comfortable, but faux leather. "D" steering wheel was faux leather as well. You don't get climate control until unless you bump to the autobahn, which was a surprise, and an unwelcomed one. Shift knob was a ridiculous plastic golf ball, plastics were not soft touch anywhere; not as nice a place to be as I'd expect for a 31k sticker, and I doubt the autobahn has nicer plastics.

I know this thing is motor trends favorite car in the world, but I disagree with their assessment wholeheartedly.
I quoted myself here because people are all picking pieces of my post and misinterpreting it.

On the interior, my main point is that for $32k the GTI was not as nice a place to be as I expected from the sticker price; it wasn't bargain basement econobox interior, but it wasn't noticeably better than anything in the segment despite the price premium. It did not have climate control, you have to jump to the top trim level to get climate control. For reference, dual zone climate control comes standard on base Toyota Corollas.

The car has "leatherette" which is a faux/synthetic leather not real leather (like from an animal); every piece of VW literature confirms this. For the record, yes, I hate the plaid. The seats were well bolstered and comfortable, better than what Subaru is offering, but no better than what you get in a Toyota Corolla; I'm serious, go sit in one. I also didn't like the partial power thing - the slide is manual but the back & height adjustment were powered; I'd prefer all manual controls or all power controls; although I suppose it's better than the knob you had to turn to adjust the seat back of VW's past.

It's a plastic shift knob shaped like a golf ball. I get it, it's a call back to GTI's of the past, but it's the only shift knob available from the factory and it's plastic. Think about that; it's the second most touched surface in the car right after the steering wheel and it's made of plastic.

Clearly, VW people are going to be VW people, Subaru people are going to be Subaru people; I have no brand loyalties; I do have a soft spot for Mustangs, but that's about it. I went to a dealership to drive a car that a lot of people seem to like, I had a bad driving experience, mainly due to interference of nannies, and I know it's not the car for me. Obviously things that are important to me are not important to others; I'm more interested in the drive than the touch screen & infotainment system. Surfaces I touch and interact with most are the most important to me; if I were sold on this car for other reasons I could buy a new shift knob and toss the plastic one in garbage, but there wasn't any one aspect of the car that I liked; I also didn't like the hatch release; you have to rotate the VW logo which activates a popper and you then lift the hatch by the VW logo; it was awkward to say the least; it felt quirky for the sake of being quirky, like the plaid seats and the golf ball shift knob; or like those jeep logos FCA is "hiding" in all the glass of their Jeep products.
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What is the point of buying a car with a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty if you are going to void it the second you drive it off the lot?

No; I buy new cars with the intent of not modifying them until the warranty is up, otherwise I wouldn't buy new cars.

If modifying a car to meet my wants was all I cared about I'd just plunk a turbo, tune, and sti trans & rear swap in my wagon with fresh suspension and be done with it for far less than a new car; I'm looking for more than that. In reality if that's all I was looking for, I'd be running something from the 60's as a daily still, but safety standards & reliability are important.

If it needs to be modified right out of the box, clearly there is a massive flaw & it is not worth purchasing new.
EJ needs a tune right off the bat for safety, but I do understand what you're saying.

I'm in the middle. One I don't mod straight away. I watch others do it and learn. I'm completely comfortable with a short shifter, audio upgrades, suspension, and brakes. Powertrain/Drivetrain I leave alone until I know it's safe to do so.


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I quoted myself here because people are all picking pieces of my post and misinterpreting it.

On the interior, my main point is that for $32k the GTI was not as nice a place to be as I expected from the sticker price; it wasn't bargain basement econobox interior, but it wasn't noticeably better than anything in the segment despite the price premium. It did not have climate control, you have to jump to the top trim level to get climate control. For reference, dual zone climate control comes standard on base Toyota Corollas.

The car has "leatherette" which is a faux/synthetic leather not real leather (like from an animal); every piece of VW literature confirms this. For the record, yes, I hate the plaid. The seats were well bolstered and comfortable, better than what Subaru is offering, but no better than what you get in a Toyota Corolla; I'm serious, go sit in one. I also didn't like the partial power thing - the slide is manual but the back & height adjustment were powered; I'd prefer all manual controls or all power controls; although I suppose it's better than the knob you had to turn to adjust the seat back of VW's past.

It's a plastic shift knob shaped like a golf ball. I get it, it's a call back to GTI's of the past, but it's the only shift knob available from the factory and it's plastic. Think about that; it's the second most touched surface in the car right after the steering wheel and it's made of plastic.

Clearly, VW people are going to be VW people, Subaru people are going to be Subaru people; I have no brand loyalties; I do have a soft spot for Mustangs, but that's about it. I went to a dealership to drive a car that a lot of people seem to like, I had a bad driving experience, mainly due to interference of nannies, and I know it's not the car for me. Obviously things that are important to me are not important to others; I'm more interested in the drive than the touch screen & infotainment system. Surfaces I touch and interact with most are the most important to me; if I were sold on this car for other reasons I could buy a new shift knob and toss the plastic one in garbage, but there wasn't any one aspect of the car that I liked; I also didn't like the hatch release; you have to rotate the VW logo which activates a popper and you then lift the hatch by the VW logo; it was awkward to say the least; it felt quirky for the sake of being quirky, like the plaid seats and the golf ball shift knob; or like those jeep logos FCA is "hiding" in all the glass of their Jeep products.
You didn't like it, it wasn't for you. There shouldn't be any uproar. Your geographic area (Snow), your preferences, your money. I had a TDi JSW manual for a couple of years. Had similar things to say. The interior controls just never felt right, neither did the hatch release. Some really click with German design and some don't. I don't. I tried really hard to like it but over time knew while I wasn't upset or anything, it just wasn't the car for me. I was happy to get out of it when I did because a dealer gave me private party "excellent" value for it, several k's more than I thought I'd get. And that was a while before dieselgate.
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EJ needs a tune right off the bat for safety, but I do understand what you're saying.
I just run Torco, but the stock tune does suck.
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For low 30's, I'm also finding faults with a GTI. For low 20's, I'm buying a GTI.
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I will have to agree with you guys and it pains me to say this. I would NOT pay 36k for a GTI. Not even as much as I love the car, but an Autobahn GTI is not worth high 30's to me. I would pay 28-32 all day. But north of 35k, I am looking somewhere else for something else.
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:24 PM   #107
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Would you pay $34k for a Focus St?
How about $37k for a WRX?
Or $50k for an STI?
Or even $34k for a BRZ?

$36k for a top level GTI is not as absurd as it sounds, but like the Focus ST, nobody actually pays those prices.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:13 AM   #108
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Is there a Golf R for 2018 or is that not coming to the USA?
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Would you pay $34k for a Focus St?
How about $37k for a WRX?
Or $50k for an STI?
Or even $34k for a BRZ?

$36k for a top level GTI is not as absurd as it sounds, but like the Focus ST, nobody actually pays those prices.
this is all true sir. Price creep still gets me caught out of sorts.

I still refuse to believe a Tahoe can be 79k. I just refuse to even look at the sticker in the window.
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Would you pay $34k for a Focus St?
How about $37k for a WRX?
Or $50k for an STI?
Or even $34k for a BRZ?

$36k for a top level GTI is not as absurd as it sounds, but like the Focus ST, nobody actually pays those prices.
Focus ST - 28k is the biggest sticker I can get without adding superfluous items like cargo area related crap, my build included the $$ red paint option too; 28k sticker Focus ST is a 36K sticker GTi. For the record, I wouldn't pay 28k for a Focus ST either, but I'd be more comfortable negotiating a 28k sticker down than a 36k sticker, I'm still going to wind up spending significantly less up front and down the road.
WRX - I spec'd one out to 35k with much optional equipment (chin spoiler & side skirts, nav, roof racks, auto dimming compass mirror etc.) a comparable model to the GTI is less than 35k, but 37k is possible if you just keep checking boxes. Again, not willing to pay that for open diff's f&r and a crap map I'll have to deal with for 5/60, but I still think it's a better option than the GTI.
STI - 50k STi is the RA, 37k-40k is the sticker for a similarly equipped STi (37-40 variance is based on the recaro package) but you have to admit it's in a completely different class, now were in Golf R/FoRS territory.
BRZ - 30k is the similarly equiped BRZ limited, if you push the tS by checking almost every box, yeah you can get it up there, but again, limited edition blah blah blah. Again wrong class of car, but since we're comparing apples to oranges, we may as well equip them similarly.

food for though If you run through and check every box for the GTI you are up to $45k; so I guess the takeaway here is people should do their own research, configure cars accordingly, and make a decision from there. I always try to apples-to-apples cars as much as possible rather than cherry pick information to support my argument; it's not a small investment and it nearly always results a loss, unless you pay cash for some limited production exotic with the intent to sell and sit on it until it appreciates.
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Focus ST - 28k is the biggest sticker I can get without adding superfluous items like cargo area related crap.
You missed the $3500 in incentives right now in the calculator. Check the MSRP prior to incentives.
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MSRP on the 50th anniversary WRX is $37k. Saw the window sticker for one.
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STI - 50k STi is the RA, 37k-40k is the sticker for a similarly equipped STi.
Check the prices of Limiteds and the 50th anniversary STI too.
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MSRP with destination for the tS is $34k. The 50th anniversary edition is almost the same price.


Yes the GTI has more options to click than a Subaru or a Ford, but most German models do. The incentives/discounts on GTIs are also higher. Mine was $6500 off without haggling, wound up paying $24k after tax for a $30k MSRP car with a little haggling. Cant do that with a Subaru, but the Focus ST you can get good deals on which is why those are the best comparable car (for racing too, will be my primary Autox competitor this season). I cant get over the **** interior of the Focus though.
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For low 30's, I'm also finding faults with a GTI. For low 20's, I'm buying a GTI.
Pretty much.

Paying $36k for a GTI is absurd just as paying $40k for a Ford Focus is, I don't care how fast it is.

My GTI was $20k. You can't get anywhere near that in a WRX around here and the Focus ST is just way too boy racer for me. WRX don't hatch and I don't need AWD, so it's an easy decision.

It's probably important to keep your expectations realistic when crafting your opinion. If you think you're going to get an M3 for $27k, then I don't think you're being fair to the car. To me, bitching about the construction material of the shift knob and the mechanism to release the hatch is being pretty petty, but to each their own. I didn't buy my car for any of that anyway, I bought it because it does everything well being incredibly fun to drive in a useful, economical package.
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Apparently I haven’t looked at GTI pricing recently but GTI’s are going for over $30k? Yeah, **** that noise. I think my loaded 2012 GTI was 24k range. I couldn’t see spending more than $27k for a fully loaded mkvii.
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Truth is, if the past holds true, you can expect 6000 dollars off the GTI come June or July. 17's were being discounted over 6 grand for almost a year here in Houston. I see no reason that will not continue for a few more years.
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The good 2018 model year changes bring better tech and increased performance to Volkswagen’s iconic GTI.

The bad Down on power compared with turbo toys from Ford and Subaru.

The bottom line A refined and everyday-usable package with plenty of pep in its step, the Volkswagen GTI is our kind of daily driver.

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Bang for your buck. No car does it better than the Volkswagen Golf GTI. It's friendly and fun, comfortable and functional. And it's not terribly expensive, either. The GTI might not be the fastest or comfiest or techiest or anything-est on paper, but this is a case where the whole is far, far greater than the sum of its parts. If I had to buy a brand-new daily driver today, it'd be a GTI. No question.

A host of 2018 model year updates brings more performance and better tech to the GTI family, with a couple of visual nip/tucks for good measure. None of this upsets the fantastic GTI package -- rather, these enhancements strengthen the core values that have always made VW's hot Golf one of the best all-around performance bargains. Nothing else at the $30,000 price point checks all the right boxes quite like the GTI.

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Volkswagen only offers the five-door GTI body style in the US.

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Form and function

I strongly believe that all performance cars are only as good as the base models they're built upon. So it's no surprise that a big part of the reason why the GTI is so great is because there's tons to like about Volkswagen's charming Golf hatchback.

That starts with design. The handsome Golf shape isn't done up with ambitious boy-racer add-ons; you won't find a big wing, hood scoop or fake fender vents on the GTI. Yes, the lower front fascia houses larger air intakes and vertically oriented LED fog lights. Yes, there's a red stripe along the grille that continues into the headlight housings. And yes, fan-like 18-inch wheels aggressively fill out the wells at all four corners. But parked next to a Ford Focus ST, Honda Civic Si or Subaru WRX, the GTI's inherent hooliganism is decidedly less obvious.

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This top-shelf Autobahn model comes with leather upholstery. If you want the GTI's iconic tartan cloth under your butt, you have to get an S or SE trim.

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There's more Golf goodness inside, with an interior that's as upscale as it is usable. High-quality materials and great fit and finish are the highlights of the GTI's cabin, which on the whole looks and feels more premium than any of its competitors. My top-level Autobahn tester comes with leather upholstery, and while that isn't the way I'd spec my GTI (more on that in a minute), the seats are comfortable and supportive, as well as heated and power-adjustable. Buttons and knobs are kept to a minimum; the vehicle's controls are easy to locate and intuitive to operate.

Rear seat space is... fine. Head- and legroom are about average for the compact hatch segment. Which is to say, I wouldn't make a habit of transporting full-size adults back there on the regular, but for every now and then, the GTI is happy to accommodate.

The benefit to the hatchback shape, of course, is a plentiful cargo hold. With the rear seats in place, the GTI will haul 22.8 cubic feet of groceries 'n' things. Fold the seat backs flat to the floor, and there's a generous 52.7 cubic feet of space available, which bests the Focus ST's 43.9 cubic feet. Honda and Subaru, meanwhile, don't offer hatchback versions of the Civic Si or WRX. Sad trombone.

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The Golf GTI's 2.0-liter turbo engine has 220 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque.

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Better tech, but not the best

This GTI Autobahn comes with Volkswagen's latest MIB II infotainment suite, housed behind an 8.0-inch glass touchscreen that's now flush-mounted in the center console. With bright colors and crisp fonts, the GTI's interface is easy to read and navigate, and I love the proximity sensors that bring up control menus as your fingers approach the screen. Response times could be improved -- it's not quite Uconnect quick -- and man, there sure are a lot of menus to work through for car setup and driver assistance tech. Oh, and if you want the larger MIB screen, you have to get the upper-level SE or Autobahn trims. The base GTI S makes do with an older, smaller, 6.5-inch interface with physical buttons on either side.

Only Autobahn models come with factory navigation, but that's not a big demerit, as Android Auto and Apple CarPlay are standard on every single GTI. Volkswagen's Car-Net suite of remote app services is standard, as well, where owners can subscribe to various levels of remote safety, security, and roadside assistance packages for an annual fee. (Just remember that when your subscription runs out, that SOS button won't do anything.)

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SE and Autobahn trims come with an 8-inch touchscreen infotainment system.

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What I really want, however, is a version of Volkswagen's new Digital Cockpit -- itself a version of the Virtual Cockpit interface used in Audi's latest cars. Volkswagen only offers Digital Cockpit on the top trims of its Atlas and Tiguan SUVs for now, as well as the Golf R and e-Golf, and this tech can't democratize fast enough. That tiny display housed between the GTI's speedometer and tachometer is starting to look pretty outdated, by comparison.

As for driver assistance features, the GTI S comes with a rearview camera and... that's about it. SE and Autobahn trims get forward collision warning, automatic emergency braking and blind-spot monitoring. The Autobahn adds standard ParkPilot too, though considering the GTI's diminutive size and great visibility, parking assist is hardly a must-have feature. That said, a big reason to get the Autobahn is for its adaptive cruise control, which can even be had on cars equipped with a manual transmission.

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Volkswagen offers a fancy-shmancy Digital Cockpit gauge cluster, but you can't get it on the US-spec GTI. Womp womp.

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Daily driver and then some

At the risk of using a tired Goldilocks analogy, I'll just say my favorite thing about the GTI is how "just right" it feels in terms of being a sporty daily driver. The 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine is familiar, making 220 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque in every version of the GTI. I make that distinction because, in the 2015-17 models, cars not fitted with the Performance Pack made just 210 hp. That's all been resolved for 2018, and SE and Autobahn models now come standard with the previously optional upgraded brakes (from the Golf R) and limited-slip differential.

The GTI's output numbers are outshone by the 252-hp Focus ST and 268-hp WRX, but it's the VW's finesse that makes it the one I'd want to drive every day. Around town, it behaves with tremendous civility, its linear wave of power offering ample thrust to dart around the infamous left-lane Prius.

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That's not to say it isn't a formidable performer, of course. On the canyon roads outside of Los Angeles, I'm giddy as I toss the GTI into tight corners. The small, predictable amounts of roll are matched with crisp turn-in and cornering action that's nearly free of understeer, thanks to the GTI's trick XDS torque-vectoring front differential. Only the Autobahn trim comes with Volkswagen's DCC adaptive chassis control system, which adjusts suspension damping depending on the selected drive mode (Normal, Sport, Comfort, or choose-your-own-adventure Individual). Without having driven S or SE versions yet, I can't tell you if the DCC significantly changes the driving experience enough to make me flat-out recommend the Autobahn, but if my extensive experience in the pre-face-lift GTI is anything to go on, I suspect you'll find this hatch to be just as hot should you opt for a lesser trim.

My car's six-speed manual transmission is an absolute joy to use, with relatively short throws and a nicely weighted clutch pedal. It's easy to keep the turbo engine on boil, too -- up in the canyons, I can leave the GTI in third gear for long stretches of back-and-forth esses, knowing I'll never run out of power. You can get a six-speed dual-clutch automatic if you wish, but there's no real benefit. The shifts are quicker, sure, but the DSG gearbox costs more money, adds weight and doesn't offer any bump in fuel economy. In fact, the manual's EPA ratings of 25 mpg city, 33 mpg highway and 28 mpg combined all represent 1-mpg improvements over a DSG-equipped GTI.

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The GTI is incredibly handsome -- not nearly as bro-tastic as the over-styled Focus ST.

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The one I'd get

You can buy a GTI for as low as $27,265 (including $850 for destination), but the sweet spot in the GTI lineup is the midrange SE, starting at $30,470 with the six-speed manual transmission. You get the Autobahn's bigger brakes and limited-slip diff, as well as full LED exterior lighting and the larger 8.0-inch infotainment system. You don't get factory navigation, but you do get Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, both with integrated map functionality. Plus, SE models come with heated cloth seats done up in Volkswagen's iconic tartan print, and frankly, I wouldn't buy a GTI without 'em. Make mine Great Falls Green.

A perennial favorite

Every one of the GTI's competitors puts up a heck of a fight, all of them with praise points the Volkswagen simply can't match. The Ford Focus ST has a lot more power. The Subaru WRX has all-wheel drive. Honda's Civic Si comes in at a much lower price. So does the Hyundai Elantra GT Sport. But while those cars compromise their excellence in other areas, the GTI simply earns high marks across the board. It's not the best at any one thing -- instead, it's really good at everything. And it's this cohesive greatness that keeps the GTI at the top of its class year after year.

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Top one is CNET

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Old 02-15-2018, 06:23 AM   #117
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The Focus ST making more power is debatable. The GTI is underrated from the factory and it's still quicker. Si might be cheaper by sticker price, but if you wait until the right time, there's massive discounts on the GTI.
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The Focus ST making more power is debatable. The GTI is underrated from the factory and it's still quicker. Si might be cheaper by sticker price, but if you wait until the right time, there's massive discounts on the GTI.
Discounts are great if you can wait. Asking because I don't know, how's the resale on a GTI vs an SI?
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Resale on a new’ish GTI that someone bought new for $6,000 off MSRP, isn’t going to be stellar.
But people can ask whatever amount they want for used cars.
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Resale on a new’ish GTI that someone bought new for $6,000 off MSRP, isn’t going to be stellar.
But people can ask whatever amount they want for used cars.
Thanks, that's kind of what I was thinking. If we're getting into the weeds on cost resale bears(bares)? a certain amount of attention. If resale on a VW sucks the buyer had best be sure they like it or have a pretty good down payment.
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Same on the Ford. STs are dime-a-dozen on the used market.

Subarus are holding their values really well right now... because those damn recent transplants to the PNW can't drive without the AWD crutch.
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Subarus are holding their values really well right now... because those damn recent transplants to the PNW can't drive without the AWD crutch.
Proof? BRZ exceeding all expectations.
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Subarus are holding their values really well right now...
I don't know, around here anyway the new model WRX seems to be dropping considerably faster / more than previous models. I was shocked at the current value of my 16 WRX, trade in value at several dealers had me moving on quickly .
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I don't know, around here anyway the new model WRX seems to be dropping considerably faster / more than previous models. I was shocked at the current value of my 16 WRX, trade in value at several dealers had me moving on quickly .
No hatch and Subaru has sold more of the newer gens than previous gens. Supply and demand and your local market play a huge role in trade-in. Also wholesale.

I am curious to see if resale of VW products improve with their new warranty (6yr/72K miles for powetrain and basic). In the past their reputation was to sll the car after 3-5 years due to expense of maintaining/repairing and resale may get better.
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