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Old 06-12-2014, 08:53 PM   #276
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Quick couple of question guys. First a little story.... got a full ej 207 swap (trans, diffs, brakes, subframes etc.) from a local vendor, motor was complete trash, showed me a video of compression test, had to be a fake. I compression tested right before I was going to drop it in and it just sounded nasty inside, all kinds of wrong noises. Compression was 22, 36, 0 and 83. Called the vendor and I will hold comments until resolved. He says I was past my 30 days, but I felt comfortable because I "saw" the compression test. Naïve I am. Waiting on that. So I ordered From Hamid out of Toronto, got a long block in only 3 days! Awsome.....until I compression tested it 32,34,82 and 29. Really. He picked it up and another is on the way, no questions asked. Got a video of vin and compression test on this one. He is outstanding businessman, and apologized he did not compression test the first one, I was rushed so he rushed this for me. He is throwing in some goodies for the trouble.
- 1st question, I have pulled my ej205 and forgot to un-marry my Accesport from it. Can I leave the usdm ecu in, turn the key on without starting the 207 and unmarry the ap? Then I would of course switch to the jdm ecu.
- 2nd question, I am going with a new Blouch 18G-XT-R with ID850cc injectors. How should I handle the injectors. Howard at IAG is tuning it by the way. Will the car run on the 850cc injectors, enough to get it into the trailer? Or should I leave the pinks in until I hand It over to IAG?
Oh yeah, gonna have some goodies hit the fs section soon!!! Full 04 2.0 swap, 160 compression across the board, ihi vf34 turbo, pinks, and maybe a ej207 that needs a rebuild......
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Quick couple of question guys. First a little story.... got a full ej 207 swap (trans, diffs, brakes, subframes etc.) from a local vendor, motor was complete trash, showed me a video of compression test, had to be a fake. I compression tested right before I was going to drop it in and it just sounded nasty inside, all kinds of wrong noises. Compression was 22, 36, 0 and 83. Called the vendor and I will hold comments until resolved. He says I was past my 30 days, but I felt comfortable because I "saw" the compression test. Naïve I am. Waiting on that. So I ordered From Hamid out of Toronto, got a long block in only 3 days! Awsome.....until I compression tested it 32,34,82 and 29. Really. He picked it up and another is on the way, no questions asked. Got a video of vin and compression test on this one. He is outstanding businessman, and apologized he did not compression test the first one, I was rushed so he rushed this for me. He is throwing in some goodies for the trouble.
- 1st question, I have pulled my ej205 and forgot to un-marry my Accesport from it. Can I leave the usdm ecu in, turn the key on without starting the 207 and unmarry the ap? Then I would of course switch to the jdm ecu.
- 2nd question, I am going with a new Blouch 18G-XT-R with ID850cc injectors. How should I handle the injectors. Howard at IAG is tuning it by the way. Will the car run on the 850cc injectors, enough to get it into the trailer? Or should I leave the pinks in until I hand It over to IAG?
Oh yeah, gonna have some goodies hit the fs section soon!!! Full 04 2.0 swap, 160 compression across the board, ihi vf34 turbo, pinks, and maybe a ej207 that needs a rebuild......
1: yes.

2: email IAG for a base map. It'll run without, albeit poorly, but you could probably hobble it onto a trailer. Try for the base map first.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:18 AM   #278
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Thanks for the answers to the questions! I am so ready for this thing to be done.
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Old 06-13-2014, 10:12 AM   #279
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Pm a price on the turbo please.. Thanks
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Old 06-23-2014, 02:18 AM   #280
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Hey Vlad, do you know anything about the JDM automatic headlight leveling unit? Can it be retrofitted ?
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Old 06-23-2014, 06:58 AM   #281
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I have focused on the bugeye, headlights wise.
And I have the JDM ones converted to LHD, with the ebay shields.
Those have the manual headlight adjustor, I have the switch and wiring diagram.
Which body model did you find with the automatic adjustors?
BTW, the 6 speed will go in soon..
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Old 06-23-2014, 03:23 PM   #282
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What 6 speed did you go for ?
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Old 06-23-2014, 03:41 PM   #283
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Dccd or non dccd? Using a controller if its dccd?
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Old 06-23-2014, 03:56 PM   #284
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Got a new (made in 2011, I think), late model 2007 USDM 6 speed. No oil pump, long ratios, 3.54
I will probably use a DCCD Pro, but I'm looking closely at a diagram from a board member that made his own semi-automatic unit.
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Old 06-23-2014, 04:01 PM   #285
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Old 06-23-2014, 04:08 PM   #286
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Interesting, making your own. I just ordered a dccdpro for my swap
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Old 06-23-2014, 04:11 PM   #287
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Try to not post links to non-nasioc vendors in this thread.
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Old 06-23-2014, 04:34 PM   #288
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Got a new (made in 2011, I think), late model 2007 USDM 6 speed. No oil pump, long ratios, 3.54
I will probably use a DCCD Pro, but I'm looking closely at a diagram from a board member that made his own semi-automatic unit.
is there a thread ? i would be interested also.
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Old 06-23-2014, 04:56 PM   #289
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How to ID your EJ207

The easiest way, is to look for a white sticker, on the bottom of the left timing cover.
Then take the number there and compare it with the table that I posted the link to above, then find out what engine you have.

What if the sticker is missing, or you suspect it's faked ?

You have to think for a minute. If somebody is going to fake the sticker, what would be the purpose of doing that?
Financial, to charge more money, to make the engine more desirable.

So then, there could be suspicion that an engine is not really a Spec C.
But now we know what a spec C should really be...

A spec C is for most of the part an Sti engine with a few add-on parts. If the add-on parts are there, then it's a Spec C engine, it's as simple as that. There would not be any point in adding all the spec C parts to an Sti engine, in order to fake it.
In sum: If this is not a V7 spec C, then if it has the VF36, if the ECU checks out to be a Spec C code number, if the ROM checks out to be a Spec C ROM, if it has no cruise control, then it's a spec C..
It could be a Spec C with the oil radiator option or with the no A/C as well.
Manifold for oil above the filter, instead of cooler, for the oil radiator option..



If it's a V7 spec C, you would have to acquire the knowledge of reading the codes etched on the camshafts, then pull the valve covers and ID the camshafts.

Here I will ad camshaft info.
Below for now are some specs for v8+ cams



Here is information about the clearance to deck, the distance from the top of the piston at TDC and the gasket plane, as well as compressed gasket thickness:
For V7 RA clearance is -1.5 +/- 0.5mm
For V7 Spec C clearance is -1.5 +/- 0.15mm, headgasket crushed 0.7 +/-0.2mm
For V9 clearance is -1.5 +/- 0.15mm, headgasket crushed thickness is 0.7 +/- 0.2mm
For V10, clearance is -1.5 +0.15mm to -1.5 -0.30mm, headgasket crushed thickness is 0.7 +/- 0.2mm

If it's an S engine, it has been said that there are clear maks of it having been ballanced, visible by the flywheel. The ECU carries a special sticker with a serial number, maybe that can be traced to one of the numbers on the block.. Not to mention that if the VF42 is present, odds are good that it's genuine.

Some Spec C engines do not come with an A/C compressor. This was not an option package, it was a spec C model. For a while people believed that a Spec C did not have A/C and that a Spec C type RA did have it. This is not the case, both cars were called Spec C type Ra, or in Subaru designaton RASC.
The factory created a dedicated metal belt cover, that replaces the plastic belt cover, for this engine.

Here are some photos of these.








Typical tune up and replacement parts

I'm not going to go into what some people have substituted and the engine still ran. For that it's still best to ask on the EJ207 thread. This is a decision every person has to make, based on their budget and ideas.

There are a very large, majority number of parts that are the same between USDM and JDM.
There are a small number of parts that are speciffic to this engine.
Those can be bought through IAP or Japanparts.

Spark plugs

Specified in the owner's manual are the NGK PFR7G with 0.7-0.8mm gap
There are some NGK that have a similar part number, but wrong gap. It has been said that attempting to re-gap these plugs results in having misfires.
The iridium equivalent of these plugs is available, it's the best choice.
I have seen specified for a V9 as racing use PFR8G, in the Sti catalog.



Timing belt

The timing belt has a different part number than any belt sold in US. The replacement interval is at 62K miles. Coincidentally, the reinforced Sti timing belt sold here in US as the Sti pink belt, also has the replacement at 62K miles and the same part number for this belt is also specified for the EJ207.
I think that there is a mandated minimum timing belt replacement interval and that softer belts meet that, for USDM.
For higher rpm you need a more rigid belt, which in turn requires replacement more often.
So I reccomend the Sti pink belt, because by the time you buy the OEM belt from Japanparts, if you really shop the pink belt well, the prices will be similar. For probably $20 less, you can also get the reinforced belt from a different supplier: Gates, by example.
When you replace the belt, replace also the silver sticker on the right top side of the timing cover. That keeps track of belt replacements.

Water pump
If you have the oil radiator option on a Spec C engine, you need to use a 2008+ WRX (non-sti) water pump, it's the proper part number.
For the regular setup, a 2005 USDM water pump is good for V8 and 9.
V7 has a part number not found in US. Check the thread for substitutions.

Accessory belts
I just took of mine, walked to the parts counter at the dealer and bought identical replacements. If you have the no A/C Spec C engine, this may be a bit different.

MAF
It's the same part number as for the USDM GDB WRX & STI

Coil Packs
V7 get the USDM WRX 2.0 coil packs for '02, the rest get the '05 WRX ones.


Twinscroll wastegate actuator
The stock actuator is rated at 12.3 PSI.

Troubleshooting
I will expand this later
If you finished the swap, turn the key and before trying to start, the check engine light does not come up, the fuel pump does not prime, you may have an immobilized ECU

Final notes
Once the swap is in, get yourself familiar with logging and start checking the parameters of your engine BEFORE you start driving around.
Odds are, you will need a tune to get your engine within safety, to protect your investment.

If you are not fueling 93 Octane (AKI) from the pump, this becomes a certainty. These days, base tuning is available via email, easy and convenient.

Even if you are fueling 93, you should still take every precaution to keep your engine away from knock, including a baseline safe tune, which you can work on at a later time, to see how safe it may be for your particular application, to run closer to the factory tune.

With this said, my research indicates that the fuel sold in Japan as high grade (it is not marketed by an octane number), is regulated to be minimum 96 RON. To see what 96 RON (Japan) equates in AKI (US), take a look at the equivalence table in Wikipedia..

Here is a link to the 207 owners thread.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1088585

Here is a link to the twinscroll stock location upgrade thread.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2170999
I have a 2003 ver8 specC Ltd, purchased new from japan, the Ltd came with a/c (not climate control), electric folding mirrors, and electric windows, also has regular STi wheels, spoilers are optional
The specC came with BBS wheels, no a/c, manual windows, no electric folding mirrors, again al spoilers are optional
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Old 06-23-2014, 05:52 PM   #290
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is there a thread ? i would be interested also.
yes, there is a thread, the diagram is in the thread, it's from 2006 and I'll post a link when I find it. This does involve getting a particular microprocessor, which the person did have access to. At the current $600+ for a controller with OEM switches and wiring for display, it's worth at least trying...
Edit, found something, but I am almost sure there was more..
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...automatic+dccd

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Old 06-23-2014, 06:52 PM   #291
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Do the EJ207 engines have the same problems with head gasket leaks as the EJ25 family of engines?
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Old 06-23-2014, 06:59 PM   #292
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Do the EJ207 engines have the same problems with head gasket leaks as the EJ25 family of engines?
Lol nope.

I have never seen any headgasket problems on any ej205,207 or 257 motors.
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:05 PM   #293
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Lots of Craigslist Subie listings here in the Northeast reference recent head gasket changes on 205's and 257's. I figured they were all talking about valve cover gaskets but a few listings specifically mention removal of the heads. No personal experience here but thought it was interesting that so many CL ads mentioned it.
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Old 06-24-2014, 12:25 AM   #294
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So I don't post much anymore but I have read through some of the recent posts and Vlad I saw you talking about making a dccd controller. Just wondering out I have an 02 bugeye with a ver8 swap with the full sti drive train swap and a ver8 ecu, why could I not just pick up the yaw an g sensors and a dccd controller??? I know the 32 bit does something with the abs pump but I could always pic up that and the dccd computer I'm sure cheaper than 600 for a dccd pro. Also I it wouldn't be hard to pin in/ Repin the ecu connectors. Just wondering since I haven't have much time to pull up the JDM FSM and compare
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Old 06-24-2014, 07:06 AM   #295
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The JDM had two types of DCCD in the 6 speed, while also running the viscous option.
As I was saying, the viscous option ran all the way to Rev E, in '05. The DCCD was auto and manual.
The Manual DCCD started first before the beginning of the New Age GDB, in GC8.
The Auto started to be available .... I want to say at the same time as the USDM 2004 Sti started.
But, from there on, they continued to have cars for sale with options to DCCD auto, or manual, or viscous.

Speaking about the early DCCD, in a version 7, for instance, the DCCD option excluded the ABS option. So obviously the DCCD and ABS were not connected.
But when the DCCD auto started to be available, this incompatibility ended.
Which probably means that the DCCD and ABS began being connected in every case.

So:
If you're aiming for a DCCD manual application, then that is much closer to being possible. If this is a DCCD from a V7, it's almost guaranteed that it will be able to be connected.
But what happens then, when ABS needs to work?
Nothing good, I don't think.
The DCCDPro, offers the DCCD manual version, available on Ebay for around $250, which still has the thumbwheel.
In general the DCCDPro gets around the ABS issue, by using the Gsensor to disconnect and release the center when brakes are applied.
I'm not sure if the dccd manual has that.
If not and people still use it, then a V7 should do just as good.


However...
The best option, is if the guys in Romraider give us access to the DCCD. Then we can reflash the ABS connection out of there and remap the G-sensor to do the DCCDPro dance, where IT takes care of the ABS/braking.
Then cheap DCCD controllers are available for all...

But yes, within the context of an affordable DCCD, A V7 is a legitimate option.
The V8 Manual DCCD may also work.
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Old 06-24-2014, 06:51 PM   #296
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I have a spec c v7 6 speed with DCCDPro installed with the OEM manual/auto and thumbwheel buttons hooked up to the STi gauge cluster for an OEM look and feel.
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Old 06-24-2014, 07:19 PM   #297
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I have a spec c v7 6 speed with DCCDPro installed with the OEM manual/auto and thumbwheel buttons hooked up to the STi gauge cluster for an OEM look and feel.
How do you like it?
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Old 06-24-2014, 08:45 PM   #298
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I have a spec c v7 6 speed with DCCDPro installed with the OEM manual/auto and thumbwheel buttons hooked up to the STi gauge cluster for an OEM look and feel.
exactly the same setup. Love mine! Gotta hit him up again to upgrade my old girl to the new standards. LOL
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:42 PM   #299
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How do you like it?
Other than having some worn center diff bearings (I think) I LOVE IT!!

Thing is a beast, takes so much abuse upshifting, downshifting etc...

One of my best choices, worlds difference from a 5 speed.
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