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Old 06-08-2021, 09:57 AM   #3426
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Not only does it save on hard cost by going minimalist, but you likely cut down on labor costs as well. Employees are expensive and Iíd assume going minimalist interior cuts down on workers needed to assemble interior.

Personally, I think the minimalist interior is just lazy ass design. I have yet to see one that looks good.
Cost cutting is the number one driver for the minimalist interiors. I think they can be done right if manu's put in the effort; I was going to use the Honda E as an example, but upon looking at it again, it's not very minimalist, just a really great modern interior that utilizes screens well (instead of just slapping a tablet on there and calling it good).
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Not only does it save on hard cost by going minimalist, but you likely cut down on labor costs as well. Employees are expensive and Iíd assume going minimalist interior cuts down on workers needed to assemble interior.

Personally, I think the minimalist interior is just lazy ass design. I have yet to see one that looks good.
Until I start seeing companies like BMW putting those interiors on their ICE cars, I'm not convinced. I think the manu's think that this is what people want out of an EV.
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Old 06-08-2021, 11:11 AM   #3428
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Until I start seeing companies like BMW putting those interiors on their ICE cars, I'm not convinced. I think the manu's think that this is what people want out of an EV.
The BMW i3 and iX interiors are not cohesive and are ugly, IMHO.

There is probably a happy medium in terms of screen/button. When I look at Acura and others, there are so many buttons. Or the new Corvette with the button bridge. We don't need a button for every function, as most are only used sparingly.

I do like the Model 3/Y interior a lot. The new S/X is way better than before.

Less is more, but of course functionality must be considered.
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Old 06-08-2021, 11:12 AM   #3429
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Ideally it's what they should want though, right? Spartan interiors, quicker manufacturing, less environmental impact, less points of failure.

What would the comparison be of a car with an ICE and full EV for MSRP and cost of ownership? I'd assume the same interior but EV would make the EV more expensive, and negate cost savings, correct?
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Weight savings are also a key feature of less **** inside the cabin, considering weight is the number one downside to EV. But I don't think BMW is going as far as Tesla is in that department. So perhaps BMW is combining elements of both to get more people into their EVs.

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Somehow I missed this

The Bargersville IL police department bought a 2019 Dodge Charger SV Police car and a Model 3 Standard range plus.

Here was the break down
Charger - $36,500
Model 3 SR+ - $41,00

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Charger - $7,580
M3SR - $825

12 month savings - $6,755

So the Price difference was negated the first year, and they expect over $20K in total savings by vehicle EOL.

I am all for tax funded municipals saving money where it makes sense.

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Old 06-08-2021, 12:58 PM   #3432
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Weight savings are also a key feature of less **** inside the cabin, considering weight is the number one downside to EV. But I don't think BMW is going as far as Tesla is in that department. So perhaps BMW is combining elements of both to get more people into their EVs.
Eh. Audi is trending towards what I want out of an EV. The Etron GT interior could be ICE or EV.

no kitschy interior to appeal to the apple lovers out there. Just a car that wants to be driven.

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That starts from $100k but ok.
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Eh. Audi is trending towards what I want out of an EV. The Etron GT interior could be ICE or EV.

no kitschy interior to appeal to the apple lovers out there. Just a car that wants to be driven.
They are nice interiors, a little busy, but much better than most. I had hopes for the Q4 e-tron, but the lack of OPD for VAG products is
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That starts from $100k but ok.
dem buttons be expensive!
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See that's exactly what I'm talking about. Better interior? Mo money, baby.
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See that's exactly what I'm talking about. Better interior? Mo money, baby.
But not really. The equivalent tesla is less than 10K cheaper. If you've got 100K to dump on a car, I know which cockpit I'd rather sit in, all other items aside.

Let's look at the Audi Etron Q4 interior... what do we see? Buttons. And another interior that would be equally at home in an ICE vehicle. Coming in at a price point that will compete with the Model 3. Not saying this is my favorite interior, but it actually looks like a car, and not some high-tech driverless shuttle that the tesla interior suggests.

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Mo buttons mo betta. Fo sho goin' wit mo buttons fo mo dollar bills.

I know the appeal of newer EVs outside of Tesla has been nicer interiors, plus fit and finish. The final nail is mileage.
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Mo buttons mo betta. Fo sho goin' wit mo buttons fo mo dollar bills.

I know the appeal of newer EVs outside of Tesla has been nicer interiors, plus fit and finish. The final nail is mileage.
I'm just waiting for a manufacturer to put out an EV that ticks some more boxes. Tesla could be fine if they could make a model that wasn't designed around autonomous driving, but that seems to be their schtick, so probably off the list.
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But not really. The equivalent tesla is less than 10K cheaper. If you've got 100K to dump on a car, I know which cockpit I'd rather sit in, all other items aside.

Let's look at the Audi Etron Q4 interior... what do we see? Buttons. And another interior that would be equally at home in an ICE vehicle. Coming in at a price point that will compete with the Model 3. Not saying this is my favorite interior, but it actually looks like a car, and not some high-tech driverless shuttle that the tesla interior suggests.

Itís comes down to priority. That Q4 STARTS at $45k, and that gets you a much less powerful and slower car (est 0-60 in 7.6) and a lot less range.

The money goes somewhere and for some that will be the interior design.
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Plaid...wow

0-60 in 1.99 seconds
First production car w/ "carbon-sleeved rotors in the motor"
Lowest drag-coefficient including wheels in motion
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The carbon-sleeved rotors sounds like a gimmick.. but they explained it's necessary to prevent the copper windings from expanding outward at crazy high RPM (ie: 200mph).
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The carbon-sleeved rotors sounds like a gimmick.. but they explained it's necessary to prevent the copper windings from expanding outward at crazy high RPM (ie: 200mph).
I think it also helped with weight. I recall Elon saying that you can pick up the motor with your hands.
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The weight benefit would be from not sleeving the rotors at all (the traditional way).
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This thread is the only place I get my Tesla news since it has a healthy mix of fan bois and h8ers.

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Fanbois, h8ers, then a few people that stand on street corners screaming about how EVís give you 5G Covid. Canít forgot about those guys.
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