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06-05-2009, 07:10 AM | #1 | |
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06-05-2009, 07:59 AM | #2 |
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Just how much money do they want for as they describe it "two-seat sports car" .. because that is all the Viper brand is ... a single car that was never the best at what it did.
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06-05-2009, 10:24 AM | #3 |
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Never the best at what it did? I think it did pretty damn well on this last itteration, especialy the ACR version. Go look up the nurburgring (spelling?) times for that badass. It beat both the ZR1 and the GTR, both cars that can be considered extremely good performance bargains. For a car who's intended purpose was to be amoderately priced, no frills, go-fast racecar that could be driven on the streets, it did an exceptional job. That being said, that 5.5million dollar big must have been from NASIOC member cause that's some crazy low-balling right there! If I had some cash, some serious coin, I'd buy this branch and have my own car company and race team. It would be sweet as hell for the right price. And in reality, you could probably produce limited numbers of the current viper for the next 10 years and still have a line of customers and changes you manage to make would only be a plus. |
06-05-2009, 10:26 AM | #4 |
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Also, I guess I don't get the point of this story other than it sounds like the congressman is a huge Viper fan. What the hell does he care about the survival of some niche vehicle that is a drop in the Chrysler bucket? |
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06-05-2009, 12:51 PM | #6 |
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I understand. I was simply replying to the poster saying it was never the best at what it did. I was simply showing that it was pretty damn good at what it did. And even the street version of the viper (non-acr) offers some very impressive performance. And this whole driving it to work everyday arguement is bunk. You could definately drive this to work everyday. Comfort is subjective and dependent on a variety of factors. I know plenty of daily driver WRX's that are probably just as impractical as the ACR (no ac, stiff as hell suspension, race tires etc, low body kit). Shoot, 30% of americans probably drive a car that is less road worthy cause their cars are old broken down crap boxes. It's the same sort of lame ass arguement as " I'd rather have abc car cause you'd get more chicks than xyz car". It's not a true performance measure and its dependent on the person. |
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It's also far from a truck engine as you describe it. Aside from the viper truck, the dodge rams do not have the same V10. This V10 was designed by engineers from Dodge and Lamborghini. True story. |
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The normal Viper has 2 more cylinders and yet is slower than the Corvette and the GT-R round a track (I think)
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06-05-2009, 04:21 PM | #10 |
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It has 2 more cylinders than the vette and 4 more than the GTR. Point? And is it slower than the base vette or the z06? You have to compare base models to base models to be fair. It is probably slower than the GTR base for base, but I don't know about the base vette or even the z06. I've never seen a test to know. It does not make sense to compare the base viper to a zr1 or spec v. |
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I was curious about the times so I did some googling. At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordscheife_fastest_lap_times It looks like the only base model times the have for the vette and the viper are (newest models recorded) 7:59 - C6 corvette z51driven by GM 7:59 - 2005 Viper SRT-10 driven by Motor Trend However, that was the 2005 viper with 500bhp. The 2009 has 600bhp. I would imagine it would be faster, but I can only find the 2009 ARC viper's times. Note: this has nothing to do with the OP, just a side discussion. |
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Stop using a race prepped car for your comparisons. If you want to do that break out the Vette and GT-R race prep cars to make it accurate.
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The ZR1 is less "radical" than the ACR and still has 2 fewer cylinders
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I thought it was fair to compare the two. You're right, maybe the ACR is not correct to use in a comparrison, but then again it still beat the ZR1 which is a factory race prepped machine as well. But that's neither here nor there. The viper is a sweet machine, but tends to get dogged on due to its rough, no frills nature. Arguing what car is best based solely on lap times is fairly dumb. Quote:
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Just how exactly do you think that thing spins to 10k RPM to make 500 hp? It can because it has small pistons at its given displacement. A 2.4l, 4 cylinder could not be reved that high, all things being equal, and would not make that kind of HP. |
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