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09-16-2016, 04:49 PM | #801 |
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Yeah the gates belt came without a single mark. I guess I'll just have to send it back. I don't trust myself to count the teeth right and not screw it up. I'll feel better if I get one with marks.
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09-17-2016, 09:03 AM | #802 |
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That's odd. OEM for belts.
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11-18-2016, 10:01 AM | #803 |
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Hi,
Thank you very much for this guide, it's fantastic! I have done the timing belt last Sunday in my 03 wrx , and made about 100km know ; everything seems fine , but I wanted to know if it would it be possible that I missed up something and I don't realise it yet , for example if the valves where touching the pistons would I hear it clearly? It was my first "big" work on the car , so I'm a bit unsure . Thanksss Oliver |
12-12-2016, 08:55 PM | #804 |
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Successfully completed my first timing belt change on my 2004 WRX. Thanks for the guide Meaty!
Found my culprit that was making all the noise Old New And here it is with all the new pulleys belt and Tomei belt guide installed Could have caused some catastrophic failure glad I didn't drive it until I had a chance to dig into it and find where that terrible noise was coming from |
01-13-2017, 09:52 AM | #805 | |
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02-01-2017, 04:49 PM | #806 |
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I followed your video guides and just did my first timing belt/water pump change! My baby thanks you! While I was in there I did both the oil pump and thermostat since I'm sitting at 175k miles. Thanks again for the awesome video's and write up!
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02-01-2017, 05:21 PM | #807 |
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Great thread, just changed the belt on my 2005 XT Limited with a EJ255 engine.
Had a question, how do you hold the crankshaft to torque it? I used a breaker bar to loosen it. In your videos, you mentioned having someone put it in 3rd gear, and put their foot on the brakes. Guessing manual transmission? Last edited by javapop; 02-01-2017 at 10:38 PM. |
02-05-2017, 03:23 AM | #808 |
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Beg borrow or steal a crank pulley holding tool.
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02-05-2017, 08:04 AM | #809 |
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So glad I found this thread this morning! I did the ¾" plywood version, worked like a charm! Moving forward now!
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02-05-2017, 11:33 PM | #810 |
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LOL
Well I guess that'll work. |
02-06-2017, 01:54 AM | #811 |
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Haha that is amazing
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03-22-2017, 07:02 PM | #812 |
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Gates T-belt kits
Looking on Amazon for a Gates T-belt kit and they all have terrible reviews. People are complaining about the parts no longer being made in Japan. Should I still trust Gates? I have yet to read any reviews about failure. They are mostly complaining about parts quality.
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03-22-2017, 07:29 PM | #813 | |
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The only thing in my Amazon Gates kit that wasn't stamped 'Japan' was the water pump. I've put close to 6k miles on my 05 Legacy XT since doing the timing belt and water pump with no problems at all. |
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03-23-2017, 11:07 AM | #814 | ||
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But now I'm getting bubbles in the overflow tank (147K miles)...so no belt til that gets sussed out. |
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03-27-2017, 03:16 PM | #815 |
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So this has probably been answered somewhere, and I also see mixed things here and there. Anyway, I'm in the middle of doing the timing itself.
I've already routed the belt over the passenger side, and aligned the marks up properly. I got the belt over the driver side upper cam (aligned the marks), then did the same with the lower driver side cam. I had my dad hold the cams in place, but as I applied tension to the cam.. I'm guessing his hand slipped, and the cam slipped off the belt, rotated slightly, but the top cam is still in alignment .. My question is, do I need to continue rotating the lower cam CCW till it lines up? Do I need to rotate them both slowly in their rotation direction (Top cam CW, and lower CCW), or Just rotated the lower cam CW till it gets back to placement? If anyone can answer this thanks. |
03-27-2017, 03:35 PM | #816 | |
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Be sure to manually turn by hand once the belt is back on, 3 rotations. Be sure the marks still line up. The belt marks will not; but the marks on the cams with engine should. If that looks good, you are fine. I will order the cam lock from company 23 before doing the timing belt again! These are the plyers I used on mine: Last edited by javapop; 03-27-2017 at 03:40 PM. Reason: added photo |
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03-27-2017, 03:39 PM | #817 |
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Yeah fix that immediately. Think about what the cam lobes are doing and where they are in respect to travel across the buckets and what that is imparting on the valves.....if you go back to page 30 and look at the pics I posted it should make more sense. Granted I have single AVCS and you don't, but the principles are still the same.
Basically when the manufacturer tells you to rotate only in specific directions, they are assuming you have load on the cam lobes, so this is where rotation becomes a factor and you have to pay attention to make sure the valves don't crash. For instance, since you need to rotate the exhaust cam and we see the intake cam stayed in place, we can assume cylinder 2's intake valves are starting the lift phase while cylinder 4's intakes are shut(non-lift phase). However, when the exhaust cam is timed properly, the inverse of the intake cam is occurring - that is, cylinder 2's exhaust is in non-lift, whereas cylinder 4's exhaust is beginning its lift phase....I hope you understand. So in a long-winded way, what I'm saying is yes it simply looks like the exhaust snapped back off the load clockwise, since cyl.4's lobe is skewed in that direction when it begins its lift phase. You should be good to rotate the exhaust CCW back into the cam marks lining up with the intake cam. You do not need to rotate the intake, just the exhaust CCW. Last edited by BaronOBeefdip; 03-27-2017 at 04:00 PM. Reason: some words |
03-27-2017, 03:46 PM | #818 |
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Yeah, I'm buying the tool for sure after this.. Have an 02 that needs a new belt soon. I'll rotate it back CCW, and hopefully all goes well. XD
This is the main Daily, so I was nervous going against the FSM rotation. Thanks btw. |
03-27-2017, 03:47 PM | #819 |
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03-27-2017, 03:54 PM | #820 |
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NO NO, go back and read what we wrote. You need to rotate CCW.
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03-27-2017, 03:57 PM | #821 |
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I fixed it.. I meant CCW. But again thanks guys.
I'm still new to the EJ's, so I'm just going with caution. |
06-03-2017, 07:46 PM | #822 |
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I just replaced the timing belt on car today for the first time and had anxiety after the drivers side cams spun, even though, it's said to be normal. I've been a mechanic for quite a few years and done timing chains on 5.0 supercharged rovers but for some reason this worried me more.
This write up was amazing and when I finished the car it started right up and purred smoothly. I have a 99 2.5rs with a 2003 V8 sti swap so I came across a situation that I couldn't find here. I have AVCS and therefore had to use a couple different tools to line up my intake cam because there is no bolt in the middle to utilize for turning. I didn't relize the situation till I had the belt off. There is a tool you can buy http://www.company23.com/501 for around 50. I used a second pair of hands and a carefully situated prybar as well as a ratchet on the 8mm AVCS cover for holding tension while turning the cam clockwise. That was nerve racking and I didn't want to do it but it worked great. I used a gates belt kit which included all new pulleys and tensioners that I purchased from a local shop in Montreal. That's my .10 and hopefully helps people with this type of swap. Last edited by BeignetsAllDay; 06-03-2017 at 07:47 PM. Reason: Noob to links (sorry if this violates the links option) just wanted the picture for reference |
06-06-2017, 12:19 AM | #823 |
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It SHOULD worry you....these are interference engines, haha! The situation you're talking about is exactly what we're talking about in this thread though. Yes, we know that Company23 tool exists, haha.
Though I'm not entirely sure why you'd use any sort of torque on the cam cover to hold it in place. Sounds to me like an easy way to bend/break the cover, or maybe I'm not getting the picture you're painting here.... And it's been said here before, but for pulleys and tensioners, OEM is really what you should be using, but to each his own...it's been known that Gates timing components, other than the belts, have not been consistent over the past couple years. |
06-11-2017, 11:02 AM | #824 | |
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I did read a lot of posts on the inconsistency over the past few years. To me it seemed as though most of the issues were dealing with proper installation rather then the actual product. That was my take on the gates inconsistency reviews at least for the tensioner. Last edited by BeignetsAllDay; 06-11-2017 at 11:10 AM. Reason: question |
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06-13-2017, 01:41 PM | #825 |
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Please help .
Did the timing belt, and now the car occasionally shakes on idle, sometimes it throws a cell or two.Car runs fine in any rpm range. |
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