2024 WRX TR spec

[YungBoba]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

I had a buddy who lost the ability to go in reverse in his Evo 9. There are issues from every model at one point or another. Everyone's mileage will vary.

Yeah, this.

Toyota has a vaunted reputation for reliability and rightfully so, but even their cars are not without their issues. Over 100K Toyota Tundras and Lexus LXs were recalled earlier this year due to leftover debris in the engine which quite literally caused peoples' engines to blow up. There is also a huge issue with current gen Rav4 Hybrid models where the high voltage cables that power the rear electric motor is prone to corrosion (aptly named "Cablegate") and has become a nightmare for owners living in places that get snow. It's a $5K+ fix and Toyota has not issued a recall for it although they are facing a class action lawsuit and due to external pressure they've agreed to extend the warranty duration for affected cars after initially telling owners that they're SOL.

And in the performance world, the GR engine issues are probably more top of mind for folks as it's more recent, but surely we all remember what happened with the Focus RS getting the wrong head gaskets installed and engines failing because of it.

I would not make a blanket claim that Subaru is unreliable but I also would not make a blanket claim saying that all Toyotas (or any other brand) are bulletproof and that you never have to worry about anything other than oil changes (contrary to what many folks believe). IMO people need to do their own research before buying any vehicle, not just on the brand but on the specific model year/trim vehicles that they want, and that means going to forums and really taking the time to dig into real world user experiences, not just watching a Youtube review or reading Consumer Reports and calling it a day. Unfortunately that seems to be too much work for most people to do, which is a shame because you would think that would be the bare minimum when spending tens of thousands of dollars on something.

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[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by YungBoba

Yeah, this.

Toyota has a vaunted reputation for reliability and rightfully so, but even their cars are not without their issues. Over 100K Toyota Tundras and Lexus LXs were recalled earlier this year due to leftover debris in the engine which quite literally caused peoples' engines to blow up. There is also a huge issue with current gen Rav4 Hybrid models where the high voltage cables that power the rear electric motor is prone to corrosion (aptly named "Cablegate") and has become a nightmare for owners living in places that get snow. It's a $5K+ fix and Toyota has not issued a recall for it although they are facing a class action lawsuit and due to external pressure they've agreed to extend the warranty duration for affected cars after initially telling owners that they're SOL.

And in the performance world, the GR engine issues are probably more top of mind for folks as it's more recent, but surely we all remember what happened with the Focus RS getting the wrong head gaskets installed and engines failing because of it.

I would not make a blanket claim that Subaru is unreliable but I also would not make a blanket claim saying that all Toyotas (or any other brand) are bulletproof and that you never have to worry about anything other than oil changes (contrary to what many folks believe). IMO people need to do their own research before buying any vehicle, not just on the brand but on the specific model year/trim vehicles that they want, and that means going to forums and really taking the time to dig into real world user experiences, not just watching a Youtube review or reading Consumer Reports and calling it a day. Unfortunately that seems to be too much work for most people to do, which is a shame because you would think that would be the bare minimum when spending tens of thousands of dollars on something.

But there is, what I consider, insanely bad luck that people get multiple Subarus that they have issues with. One? Yeah. It happens.2? Sure. But what did SVX WRX say?.....4 Subarus in a row with lots of issues? I certainly cannot blame a person from souring on that. It's sad though, cause Subaru is not "that" bad. Statistically. I have had soo many Subaru's without any engine issues. 2 STis, 1 ringland era WRX. Baja Turbo and numerous NA motor cars. Worst issue? Headgasket(2006MY) and satellite radio receiver failure in the '09 WRX NAV unit. Covered under extended warranty($1700 for warranty. $2400 for the part). The numbers are out there. Subaru's are still up there. With the recent(bad) hiccup the last few years that seems to now be in the past.

[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

I had a buddy who lost the ability to go in reverse in his Evo 9. There are issues from every model at one point or another. Everyone's mileage will vary.

The Ascent is my favorite newer Subaru, but I only get to drive it as a loaner. And I only know a couple of people who purchased one: one in northern California who uses it for trips to Tahoe, and one in New England who bought a second Ascent after a tree crushed the first one and they tried a similarly sized Audi for about a year.

I had a buddy lose his transmission in his EVO X right beside me.

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

I had a buddy lose his transmission in his EVO X right beside me.

Hey, he raced you to that stoplight and paid the price. Lesson learned: SoDealer takes no prisoners.

[SVX WRX]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

But there is, what I consider, insanely bad luck that people get multiple Subarus that they have issues with. One? Yeah. It happens.2? Sure. But what did SVX WRX say?.....4 Subarus in a row with lots of issues? I certainly cannot blame a person from souring on that. It's sad though, cause Subaru is not "that" bad.

yeah, Subaru left a bad taste in my mouth. i'm not a fanboi, but i'll tend to stick with a brand until they either prove to be unreliable, or don't offer anything i want. Subaru checked both those marks.

the 2002 WRX was a performance bargain at the time. it was generally a good car, except for leaking gasoline all over the engine bay, and a handful of other annoying recalls and issues. after a few more disappointing Subarus, fast forward to today, and they just don't sell anything that interests me. a 271hp WRX GT for $44k? i bought a 1 year old practically new CPO KIA Stinger with 368hp and better features/looks/utility for that money. yeah, its used vs. new, but that's what happens when you're car shopping.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by SVX WRX

yeah, Subaru left a bad taste in my mouth. i'm not a fanboi, but i'll tend to stick with a brand until they either prove to be unreliable, or don't offer anything i want. Subaru checked both those marks.

the 2002 WRX was a performance bargain at the time. it was generally a good car, except for leaking gasoline all over the engine bay, and a handful of other annoying recalls and issues. after a few more disappointing Subarus, fast forward to today, and they just don't sell anything that interests me. a 271hp WRX GT for $44k? i bought a 1 year old practically new CPO KIA Stinger with 368hp and better features/looks/utility for that money. yeah, its used vs. new, but that's what happens when you're car shopping.

We took in a Stinger on trade not crazy long after they came out. It only had like 1500 miles on it. Initially figured "meh, KIA" for why they traded; but, I drove it and then I genuinely wondered why they traded. I quite liked it. Again, can't fault you at all.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

Hey, he raced you to that stoplight and paid the price. Lesson learned: SoDealer takes no prisoners.

back in the day, I enjoyed racing the odd evo on the street. they would always win of course, but it was always a guessing game after they won, did they put their hazards on because they won, or because they broke their car winning?

and if I weren't still a manual enthusiast, the Kia Stinger is a perfect vehicle. good price, correct wheels driven, superior liftback design.

[Apb_pools]

Stinger is a beast and a looker. Also more expensive though.

[20WRX20]

It also has horrendous depreciation. I’m sure it’s fun to drive but I’d never buy one.

[vapore0n]

I was interested in one. Only complaints I read were brakes.
My complaint is Id give up my smaller STI for a larger automatic car. Sporty looking but not what I really wanted.

Coworker has a new RS5. Similar in size as the Stinger. Hot looking too. Still not ready for such a car.

[Kostamojen]

RS5... Talk about depreciation, ouch.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

RS5... Talk about depreciation, ouch.

You could buy a new WRX for how much those cars lose in value after 3-4 years.

[Brahmzy]

Most all cars in that class depreciate like that. Just the facts. They're above the average budget, they're mass produced at volume and they're not a Porsche. I'm about to take delivery on one of those types of cars, and yes, that's part the price you pay for cars in that class. As long as you know that going in and are good with it, it is what it is. Gotta pay to play. Long-term maintenance can be expensive on them, depending on the particular models, so that limits the entry fee for used car buyers. If they were cheap, everybody would be driving them. The closer you get to $100,000 and beyond, generally, the worse the depreciation gets.
But, then, econo-EVs depreciate like mofos too, so there's that.

[SVX WRX]

Originally Posted by vapore0n

I was interested in one. Only complaints I read were brakes.

they come with Brembos, but the factory pads aren't very good (at least for US cars).

mine were fine for almost two years, but now a bit of pulsing on heavy braking. going to change them in the spring ...

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

RS5... Talk about depreciation, ouch.

it's not like it isn't justified.

my friend traded his in after it sat in the dealer for 6 weeks having $40,000 worth of parts thrown at it to fix a suspension issue.

luckily for him he got the extended warranty, but he traded it in within about 3 weeks of getting it back from the dealer.

interestingly, he opted for the BMW i4 M50.

[Kostamojen]

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[Russ_G93]

So.. if the 21' WRX Base started at 29,500 - to now being 33,000 current; With the 21 STI base at $37,300 - Should this mean a Base 24 STI (If they had one) be around $41,000 msrp? Quite expensive for such a trim -43k for a TR (Eyesight, recaro, brembos, adaptive suspension.. makes sense somewhat, maybe pushing it a little). Just sucks that they took away the "Performance Package" which included Recaro, moonroof delete, and Brembos. Must've been a parts availability thing with the Brembo company or something

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

So.. if the 21' WRX Base started at 29,500 - to now being 33,000 current; With the 21 STI base at $37,300 - Should this mean a Base 24 STI (If they had one) be around $41,000 msrp? Quite expensive for such a trim -43k for a TR (Eyesight, recaro, brembos, adaptive suspension.. makes sense somewhat, maybe pushing it a little). Just sucks that they took away the "Performance Package" which included Recaro, moonroof delete, and Brembos. Must've been a parts availability thing with the Brembo company or something

No, it’s a profit margin thing. It’s a whole lot easier to sell this stuff as a “performance trim level” TR than a $10,000 option package on a $30,000 car. They pulled a card from the GM playbook by locking it all into the highest trim level, since the TR is based on a Limited.

Not a good value at all for what’s being offered. The performance pack on the VA was a bargain since you could get it on the premium. The value play on the VB is to get a base or premium and mod it as needed. Basically DIY the performance pack since Subaru is only concerned with vacuuming as much money out of your pocket as possible rather than making a legit performance car at a reasonable price.

[YungBoba]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

http://youtu.be/0HliakALpi4?

TL;DW: Doug really likes the current-gen WRX in general. Said the styling was off-putting at first but has grown on him a lot. Calls it "maybe the best-looking WRX" which I'm sure many will disagree with (he compared it specifically to the 09 narrowbody which is not the best example, IMO any other generation looks better). Loves the powertrain, acknowledges it's not a bump in power on paper compared to the outgoing model but the power delivery and response is better. Quicker steering in the TR compared to the base model. Nice seats and brakes.

Knocks against it: giant tablet infotainment, lack of a wagon/hatch option in the US, price is too high, ride is too harsh for daily driving. Says that for $43K, people are better off spending significantly less to get a lower trim WRX or just buying more of a "true" sports car if that's what they want i.e. Nissan Z.

"This was never a car that's for racetrack use, this isn't a GT3RS, the WRX is driven by people who vape on the way to their military base"

[rallly 4]

Saw someone above mention the RS…Not for nothing but I had a Focus RS. That car on the stock cup2 tires was phenomenal . “Drift” aka rear bias mode. Deadly fast in the right hands. No doubt it my mind it would put a whipping on any GRC or CTR out now on real world roads . The engine , stock , never was an issue for me. These tuner cars aren’t really “fast” once you’ve had a taste of Shelby’s built M3’s ZR1s etc so you start to appreciate other traits. That RS was for sure something else. Unfortunately about 5% of the shadow black cars had some sort of defect and the paint would start failing. Of course I had one with defective paint, and rather that have a car get repainted I sold it.


I think I’m gonna swap my GRC for one soon. Something about the way that car was set up from the factory was just special

[96accord]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

http://youtu.be/0HliakALpi4?

Doug...... :barf:

When he said it's the best WRX generation.. I stopped listening. He annoys me anyway.

[vapore0n]

Back when it came out, the WRX a great car. Cheap and fast. SOme might even call it reliable. It could hold its own with heavy weights of that time (mustang gt). Later, the STI gave exotics a run for their money. Problem was that the car really never evolved past the initial days. Sure, the WRX is more comfortable and stiffer, but that was about it.
Mustang and Porsche took note and bumped up their cars while Subaru still used their old engines over and over again. Every year, the upgrades included "stiffer components" as part of the performance upgrades.

What everyone here wants , what I want, is for Subaru to put out a cheap, fast, reliable car as they did back then. My 05 STI was a true performance car. I still dream of the day I drove it for the first time and the great time I had with it. The following models were just a not it.

Emissions and car price bubble. That killed the WRX and STI.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by 96accord

Doug...... :barf:

When he said it's the best WRX generation.. I stopped listening. He annoys me anyway.

CAAARRRRRSS ANDDDD BIDDDZZZZ!

[Straight6]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

http://youtu.be/0HliakALpi4?

Spot on. Hands down this is the best WRX generation. What a fantastic car.