2025 Subaru WRX tS Has Something We Wish the BRZ tS Had

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

No emergency refresh for 22.5, 23, 24, or 25. Not only that…25’s facelift looks to be less than what Subaru would normally do. rallly4…anything to say?

Clearly I was misinformed and wrong. Embarrassing it is Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Maybe we’ll see the STI come depending on November’s outcome. If the emissions laws can be Loosened, I’m sure they’ll drop the bomb. You can see they’re obviously desperate at this point to get some of the old sti owners back with the blue interior trim gold brakes and red grille badge.

I was never wrong about the finished VB sti existing, just to be clear again.

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[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

Clearly I was misinformed and wrong. Embarrassing it is Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Maybe we’ll see the STI come depending on November’s outcome. If the emissions laws can be Loosened, I’m sure they’ll drop the bomb. You can see they’re obviously desperate at this point to get some of the old sti owners back with the blue interior trim gold brakes and red grille badge.

I was never wrong about the finished VB sti existing, just to be clear again.

I am satisfied.

[Apharmd]

Adaptive dampers are a cool feature, along with the better brakes that are on the '24 TR and continuing over to the tS, but this is just too much money for that transmission and lack of mechanical diffs. If you are spending over $40k on an AWD hot hatch or sports sedan then you are better off just buying a GR Corolla with the performance pack instead. I like Subaru but once you get around to STI swapping the drivetrain on this thing you'll be well over $50k, where the GRC gets you there stock, warranty-intact. I know I'm oversimplifying it, yes you can make big power more easily on the WRX than the Corolla but long-term no one knows what the reliability is gonna be like. Ultimately this trim level has an STI price tag but is not an STI substitute.

Also, touting a digital gauge cluster isn't a win, for me. One of the things I really enjoy about my VB WRX is the analog gauges. The digital clusters age incredibly poorly and will look like poop in a few years. The analog gauges are timeless. I do dig the blue accents, though. Rather those than red accents.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by Apharmd

Adaptive dampers are a cool feature, along with the better brakes that are on the '24 TR and continuing over to the tS, but this is just too much money for that transmission and lack of mechanical diffs. If you are spending over $40k on an AWD hot hatch or sports sedan then you are better off just buying a GR Corolla with the performance pack instead. I like Subaru but once you get around to STI swapping the drivetrain on this thing you'll be well over $50k, where the GRC gets you there stock, warranty-intact. I know I'm oversimplifying it, yes you can make big power more easily on the WRX than the Corolla but long-term no one knows what the reliability is gonna be like. Ultimately this trim level has an STI price tag but is not an STI substitute.

Also, touting a digital gauge cluster isn't a win, for me. One of the things I really enjoy about my VB WRX is the analog gauges. The digital clusters age incredibly poorly and will look like poop in a few years. The analog gauges are timeless. I do dig the blue accents, though. Rather those than red accents.

So you do not need to swap STI driveline to have front and rear LSD. You can purchase both for 1600+ starting price for RS type and have them installed into a base wrx and youd have a 50/50 (race or track setting on corolla) awd wrx.

I agree on digital cluster, so you can buy a base wrx and install pad compound worthy of your braking style.

Or you can just buy a top line of Corolla, yes.

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

[...]Maybe we’ll see the STI come depending on November’s outcome. If the emissions laws can be Loosened, I’m sure they’ll drop the bomb. [...]

Subaru just needs to start using the best engine geometry for forced induction: a freaking long stroker.
That would go a long way solving their emissions, fuel consumption and knock resistance issue. Three birds with one stone.
Counting on emissions regulations to be slackened/loosened or rolled back is a terrible long term strategy for an auto manufacturer.

[mcarb002]

Wasn’t it revealed today at wicked big meet? No pics out from anyone yet?

[chanomatik]

It ends at 5pm EST, so give it until this evening at least.

I'm going to Subiefest California in August. Never been. Curious to see how it compares to WBM.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by neg_matnik

Subaru just needs to start using the best engine geometry for forced induction: a freaking long stroker.
That would go a long way solving their emissions, fuel consumption and knock resistance issue. Three birds with one stone.
Counting on emissions regulations to be slackened/loosened or rolled back is a terrible long term strategy for an auto manufacturer.

They just can’t build a motor. They haven’t made a drivetrain or powertrain innovation in decades.

[Straight6]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

So you do not need to swap STI driveline to have front and rear LSD. You can purchase both for 1600+ starting price for RS type and have them installed into a base wrx and youd have a 50/50 (race or track setting on corolla) awd wrx.

I agree on digital cluster, so you can buy a base wrx and install pad compound worthy of your braking style.

Or you can just buy a top line of Corolla, yes.

Yeap and the FA24 engine has a ton left on the table unlike the stressed out 3 pot in the Corolla.

[Straight6]

Is the 2025 Subaru WRX tS the new STI performance AWD sedan to BUY? - YouTube

Is the 2025 Subaru WRX tS the new STI performance AWD sedan to BUY? - YouTube

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by Straight6

Is the 2025 Subaru WRX tS the new STI performance AWD sedan to BUY? - YouTube

Subaru bS

Originally Posted by Pre

They just can't build a motor. They haven't made a drivetrain or powertrain innovation in decades.

What innovation are you looking for? And how much are you willing to pay for it? Personally, i would have loved just a DI+PI setup OEM from factory. Would have made my life much easier and i'd be rolling in a monster for 6 months now.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

What innovation are you looking for? And how much are you willing to pay for it? Personally, i would have loved just a DI+PI setup OEM from factory. Would have made my life much easier and i'd be rolling in a monster for 6 months now.

There have been a number of AWD systems that have come out, with actual torque vectoring via the half shafts, vs. brake based. Most of their competitors offer some flavor of this. Subaru, 0.

Powertrains, how about develop some semblance of a performance or MotorSports motor? What’s the redline on this thing again? That’s rhetorical.

Their problem is EPA/CAFE standards. You have to innovate or you stagnate. And this might be the last WRX due to this stagnation.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by Pre

There have been a number of AWD systems that have come out, with actual torque vectoring via the half shafts, vs. brake based. Most of their competitors offer some flavor of this. Subaru, 0.

Powertrains, how about develop some semblance of a performance or MotorSports motor? What's the redline on this thing again? That's rhetorical.

Their problem is EPA/CAFE standards. You have to innovate or you stagnate. And this might be the last WRX due to this stagnation.

What's the price point of competitors who offer this? Are any of them real AWD cars?

Its an induction engine, torque down low, so does not need a honda redline to achieve 200whp. OEM turbo is capable of 500tq at 2300rpm but obviously detuned to hold rods in.

[quentinberg007]

The only time you are at 2500RPM on the track is when you grid out. It is irrelevant for performance driving except maybe very tight auto cross courses.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by quentinberg007

The only time you are at 2500RPM on the track is when you grid out. It is irrelevant for performance driving except maybe very tight auto cross courses.

I dunno about who you are.. but on average a WRX irl (not imaginary stuff in forum) will likely see <1% track duty and >99% daily duty at 2000rpm to save gas.

So if you are buying a track toy, a WRX definitely is not it nor ever claimed to be. Therefore your comment is irrelevant >99% of the time, approaching 100% irrelevance.

I know i know, you wish it had a 8500rpm and a V8 capable of 450whp on warranty with an STI driveline. I do too. All for 33k and 0APR.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

I dunno about who you are.. but on average a WRX irl (not imaginary stuff in forum) will likely see <1% track duty and >99% daily duty at 2000rpm to save gas.

So if you are buying a track toy, a WRX definitely is not it nor ever claimed to be. Therefore your comment is irrelevant >99% of the time, approaching 100% irrelevance.

I know i know, you wish it had a 8500rpm and a V8 capable of 450whp on warranty with an STI driveline. I do too. All for 33k and 0APR.

I actually think he is on your side.

[mcarb002]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

It ends at 5pm EST, so give it until this evening at least.

I'm going to Subiefest California in August. Never been. Curious to see how it compares to WBM.

I’m yet to see any pictures online. Not that I use insta anymore or Reddit. But yeah…maybe the thing wasn’t even at WBM after all lol

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by mcarb002

I’m yet to see any pictures online. Not that I use insta anymore or Reddit. But yeah…maybe the thing wasn’t even at WBM after all lol

I saw one BTS quick video from Bucky and that was it.

[SCRAPPYDO]

so will this be 50k?

LOL

[Straight6]

Travis Pastrana driving the new 2025 Subaru WRX tS !!! - YouTube

Travis Pastrana driving the new 2025 Subaru WRX tS !!! - YouTube

[20WRX20]

One wheel peel FTL.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

One wheel peel FTL.

It’s actually 2 having viscous center diff and 50/50 split.

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

It’s actually 2 having viscous center diff and 50/50 split.

I know what the car has. Look at the front right tire after he does the e-brake turn. Front end one wheel peel. An STi would be burning all 4.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

I know what the car has. Look at the front right tire after he does the e-brake turn. Front end one wheel peel. An STi would be burning all 4.

A grandma has tits usually.

At no moment is he spinning one tire only. Its always two—1 front and 1 rear.

[Raxy]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7wuL...RlODBiNWFlZA==

Looks like it has the ugly wheels from the TR.