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Old 10-05-2011, 03:11 PM   #1276
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5.13 are a lil steep for the road... even steeper for a d30...for 37's 4.88's are just about perfect... any reason your going so high?

I would definitely go to a rubicon d44 (bolts right in) and you can port your d30 brakes right over.. plus there are nice upgrade kits for that front end.. including hubs, axles... etc.

Or just buy a used 44 rubicon axle and regear it...
42RLE and the inkling to move up to 37's at some point. The 5.13's are as high as I can go in the D30. I have considered 4.88's but I don't do much highway driving and when I do I am heading west (an uphill battle). Even at highway speeds (70-75 mph) the 5.13's (with OD on) will be pushing approximately the same RPM's as the current 3.73's with OD off (~3,000) In terms of reliability, I am better off with the 4.88's, as the 5.13's have a small and potentially fragile pinion gear (on the D30). I'm easy on my vehicles, so I am not as worried about the fragility of the 5.13's. If I move up to a D44 front axle... what concerns I have are moot.

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Joe, I read somewhere that Duratracs are lighter than a lot of other tires you can buy.
The MT/R Kevlars that The Phenx keeps preaching on are light(er) as well.
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:36 AM   #1277
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CLayton Long arm kit, 9" Rustys springs up front, 5100 Bilstein shocks, Ford Leafs out back with Rubicon Express shackles, HP30 Front axle with ARB locker, 8.8 Rear axle with Detroit locker, Coast F/R drivelines, Braided brake lines F/R, Teraflex Over-The-Knuckle Steering w/Durango V8 steering box, Steering box brace, "Frame" stiffeners/supports, rear quarter armor upper/lower, 36x13.5x15 Super Swamper IROKS on Crawler 15x10s, Homemade bumpers F/R

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Old 10-06-2011, 02:58 AM   #1278
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It is and it isn't

The limiter performace wise is going to be gearing and the change in aerodynamics of the jeep. Tire weight comes in seccondary... or thirdary.

YOU NEED TO GEAR APPROPRIATELY.

As far as unit bearing hubs.. they fail.. and often sadly, and its one of the things you have to live with when you run giant tires. A lifetime warranty on replacement parts from advanced auto parts and knowing how to change them yourself is key to keeping the expense down, and regular checking for safety.

The viable solution to this is getting conversion and running a true hub, with more robust bearings, and I have been running my current ones for 4 years without failure. (timken bearings, warn premium hubs)

Tire weight is definitely an impact on axles. One the weaker tubes like stock wrangler axles you can see some bending with larger tires once they see severe duty (read lots of impact at speed and hardcore rockcrawling), and you can see some axle breakage as well... lots of weight lots on inertia.

To control the bends axle trussing is usually enough.

This can be mitigated by common sense driving, once again having the proper gears to better control wheel speed, and if you still have an issue running chromoly axles and high strength u-joints... but using your head offroad prevails here.

Thats the offroad opinion.

On-road... check your hubs every oil change and get lifetime replacement advanced auto parts hubs... and learn to replace yourself and your fine.


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All that being said.. radials are HEAVY... bias ply are much lighter but less good on the road. Expect to see tires in the 70 lb range (35-37") and with wheels coming in around 100lbs a corner is normal.

But its not all bad... extra weight in the shoes tends to keep you from going belly up on the trail.
Just curious, how much does regearing cost, and how difficult is the install?
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:16 AM   #1279
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Just curious, how much does regearing cost, and how difficult is the install?
I haven't done it in 12-13 years. But this is what I know about the work on a JK.

Do-it-yourself: $300-ish for the gears, plus money for related tools (gear-puller, etc).

Different shops charge different rates, but generally speaking you will have $300-ish in the gears (front and rear) and $700 in the install (I think the install, at least shop wise, is billed at approximately 8 hours). I've seen some shops charge $700 for parts/labor, others charging in upwards of $1200. It's widely accepted that after you add larger tires... regearing is the most worthwhile "performance" modification. I'd also consider recalibration of the speedo (ProCal).
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:12 PM   #1280
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Just curious, how much does regearing cost, and how difficult is the install?
If you can bake brownies you can install gears.. but the tools will cost you $4-600. And look at $300 an axle in parts, if you want a locker add 600-1000 more.

Its just a matter of trial, error, and patience.

I know there is a shop in Nova, that will do a set of gears for around $400 for the install.

Tis why I like to comb pirate 4x4 and look for good deals on used axles... they happen ALL the time.

Also junkyard axles are a big cost saver... just go steal the running gear out of a wrecked rubicon. 4.11's lockers... golden...
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:15 PM   #1281
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The MT/R Kevlars that The Phenx keeps preaching on are light(er) as well.
ROFL... I was just really impressed.

If I was going offroad only I would still get swamper tsl/sx and hand cut the tread...had my last set for 11 years without a scratch.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:17 PM   #1282
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Also junkyard axles are a big cost saver... just go steal the running gear out of a wrecked rubicon. 4.11's lockers... golden...
You make it sound like there are just oodles of free Rubicon parts lying around in every junkyard. It's certainly no fantasy land here.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:20 PM   #1283
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Yeah, The Phenx lives in some magic land where rubicon parts fall from the sky like lucky charms. At least around here any decent axles are impossible to find at a reasonable price.

Some guy in Long Island had complete Rubi D44's for listed for like $2.5k. Those were the ONLY Rubi parts I found in 1 year of looking.
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Old 10-06-2011, 03:28 PM   #1284
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If you can bake brownies you can install gears.. but the tools will cost you $4-600. And look at $300 an axle in parts, if you want a locker add 600-1000 more.

Its just a matter of trial, error, and patience.

I know there is a shop in Nova, that will do a set of gears for around $400 for the install.

Tis why I like to comb pirate 4x4 and look for good deals on used axles... they happen ALL the time.

Also junkyard axles are a big cost saver... just go steal the running gear out of a wrecked rubicon. 4.11's lockers... golden...
$400 for the install? That's not bad at all. What's the name of the shop?
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Old 10-06-2011, 03:32 PM   #1285
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I am paying a local reputable shop about $700 for two axles (that's just labor).
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Old 10-06-2011, 04:02 PM   #1286
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I am paying a local reputable shop about $700 for two axles (that's just labor).
You didn't want to tackle it yourself? I've changed out hubs, control arms, struts and springs before. Is regearing any harder/longer than those jobs?
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Old 10-06-2011, 04:05 PM   #1287
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No, I didn't want to buy all the tools, and I wanted to hold someone else responsible if there are issues.

Here-
http://www.pirate4x4.com/articles/te...sta/Gear_Setup
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Old 10-06-2011, 08:09 PM   #1288
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No, I didn't want to buy all the tools, and I wanted to hold someone else responsible if there are issues.

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I'll do anything on a car, what I don't do is gears. Even people that know what they are doing still **** them up.
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I'll do anything on a car, what I don't do is gears. Even people that know what they are doing still **** them up.
Thank.
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SideshowBob, what gearing and tire size are you currently running?
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:59 AM   #1291
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Right now I am running 32's on 3.07's, which is AWFUL. The axles I am having built are 4.56's, which should work pretty well with the 32rh (old school 3 spd auto tranny). I am building towards 35's/ Lo Cog build but my 32's are pretty much still new (PO put them on), so probably stick with them until all the other supporting mods are done.

With the 32's and the 4.56's it's gonna be a bit of a screamer on the highway. At some point after the 35's I want to get a NP241 in there, or a rebuilt 231 with 4:1.

http://www.grimmjeeper.com/gears.html



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What kind of lift are you running?
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Old Man Emu w/ HD springs and JKS 1.25 BL. JKS sway bar disco's.

Love the OME lift, would very highly recommend, the JK one looks just as nice.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/y...build-1251521/



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Nice. I don't want anything too crazy, my wife is short. I was just thinking of throwing on a TeraFlex leveling kit.
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Old Man Emu w/ HD springs and JKS 1.25 BL. JKS sway bar disco's.

Love the OME lift, would very highly recommend, the JK one looks just as nice.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/y...build-1251521/



My old roommate has a OME lift on his '03 TJ. Very, very solid lift kit. I have never seen a complaint about OME.
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Nice job beantown, that looks really good.
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Thanks guys. It's a fun toy.

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Nice. I don't want anything too crazy, my wife is short. I was just thinking of throwing on a TeraFlex leveling kit.
She can jump.

I actually really like the rockers I have on there now (as a step).

They are coming off for a more normal rocker cause they catch everything on the trail, but they are awesome as a step.
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Old 10-07-2011, 11:49 AM   #1298
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Nice. I don't want anything too crazy, my wife is short. I was just thinking of throwing on a TeraFlex leveling kit.
Leveling kits are fine for street use only.. DO NOT install one of these then expect to offroad. Doesn't work too well...

If you wanna still go outdoors.. get a 2.5" true lift.
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I'll do anything on a car, what I don't do is gears. Even people that know what they are doing still **** them up.
Patience... and being ridiculously anal about the install and contact patterm.

I have about 20 axles under my belt now... takes me around 2-4 hours a piece.
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$400 for the install? That's not bad at all. What's the name of the shop?
This is them.

http://drivelinespecialist.com/

Only place in Nothern VA I have ever known to install gears... and three years ago they quoted $375 per set for labor... parts additional.
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