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Old 07-30-2021, 10:09 AM   #1
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Hey guys

Just had a big service done on car today and found out the following:

Front suspesnsion Top hats Split

Vehicle has no rear bump stops

Rear shocks need replacing

Steering rack bushes need replacing

Shifter bushings need replacing.

I was thinking of potentially using this to upgrade/find some better parts.

After reading this post on NASIOC, it seems like most bushings etc are better stock except for shifter and steering rack bushings (https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=1990539)

With the items that need doing, does anyone have any recommendations on what aftermarket parts are awesome for a Bugeye WRX? Mine is JDM so not sure if that changes anything.

Also, I had a question about the shock replacement. Our cars have struts if I am correct. The dealership/mechanic told me that it was the "shocks" that needed replacing, but I thought shocks and struts are different?

If he is saying that, does that mean I only need to replace the actual "Strut" and I can reuse the spring, top hat, dampener etc?

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Old 07-30-2021, 10:26 AM   #2
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alot of people interchange struts/shocks. they do the same thing. so when he's saying to replace those yes, it would be the struts and you could reuse springs/top hats that arent split.

honestly if i were in your shoes, pending your budget. i'd get a set of quality coilovers (cygnus x1 made by fortune auto), which would replace the struts and the tophats, and then go with a decent set of poly steering rack bushings. and finally go with turn in concepts holy shift kit for all the shifter bushings. all of that will be expensive but to me, it will be worth it. the car will feel significantly better than an oem setup and pending valving and spring rates, ride very well for a daily.
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Old 07-30-2021, 11:04 AM   #3
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Depending on your goals for the car and budget (track/auto-x, cruiser, canyon carver, etc) there are a ton of different options. I'm not too familiar with what is available in NZ/Aus, but Whiteline, SuperPro and Energy Suspension all have bushing kits for your car. I'd suggest moving up to poly bushings, there will be a little more noise and vibration in the cabin, but it will take a lot of play out of the components and give a much more connected driving feel. The shifter bushings with a short shifter (kart boy) will really make the shifter feel better.

A good strut/spring combo is great if you are using the car as a daily driver and occasional spirited drive. Feal offers really good struts that can be paired with STi or RCE lowering springs for a well mannered, nice handling car. Subaru Group N top hats work great as well. I'd also recommend looking at upgrading the sway bars, as they are probably pretty worn out as well. Have fun!
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Old 07-30-2021, 11:35 AM   #4
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It sounds like old age and a million miles has put your car into the "replace nearly everything" position.

The shifter can certainly be swapped with a good, brass bushing unit. Places like Kartboy make excellent replacements.

You should also look at and replace all the vacuum lines. Buy a roll of vacuum line and go one by one replacing them all. They get hard and create pin holes all over that you won't see. Just replace everything.

Fluid hoses are likely in need of replacement unless someone has done so recently and its documented. Radiator, heater, etc.

You mention bushings. Rubber will give you the same performance as OEM. Urathane will be stiffer but can cause more vibration that can get annoying. Price out both the bushings and also things like complete control arms. I need to replace front control arm rear bushings on a 13 Crosstrek and buying an arm is cheaper than buying all the bushings and ball joint plus I don't have to go pressing out and in the bushings.

For the rack, you're a bit more isolated, so could go poly or even aluminum. Is the rack ready for replacement? I'd think the ends are probably ready. Of course, the timing belt, water pump and tensioners should be replaced and while you're in there, do the cam seals.

For the struts, you'd want to also be sure the top hats rotate freely. There's certainly a good chance they don't, in which case, you'd want to replace the struts and top hats. Springs typically don't go bad unless they break. Coilovers are like cheap sunglasses (ZZ Top reference). They're Chinese/Taiwanese garbage, where there are all kinds of brands that are made by the same factories and private labeled. I could start a new line of coilovers simply by contacting the factory, spec'ing what I want and sending money. Really good coilovers tend to be racecar focused. If you don't say "OMG, those are ******* expensive", they're likely garbage. The upside of coilovers is that you can lower your car to any level you want. But are you going to properly set the car up? Will you corner weigh it? If not, you're making your car into a dumpster.

Are all the fluids up to date? Brake, clutch, power steering, trans, diff, coolant? If not, change them all.

Now, you likely could be reading this and saying "Jack, by the time I do all this, I'll have a near new car but it's going to cost me more than the car is worth". Maybe. Some people (me) will do the math and sometimes say bye bye to the old, worn out car and buy something new. This was especially true when I was driving 30k miles a year for work.
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Old 07-30-2021, 07:30 PM   #5
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How many miles
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Old 07-30-2021, 07:31 PM   #6
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It sounds like old age and a million miles has put your car into the "replace nearly everything" position.

The shifter can certainly be swapped with a good, brass bushing unit. Places like Kartboy make excellent replacements.

You should also look at and replace all the vacuum lines. Buy a roll of vacuum line and go one by one replacing them all. They get hard and create pin holes all over that you won't see. Just replace everything.

Fluid hoses are likely in need of replacement unless someone has done so recently and its documented. Radiator, heater, etc.

You mention bushings. Rubber will give you the same performance as OEM. Urathane will be stiffer but can cause more vibration that can get annoying. Price out both the bushings and also things like complete control arms. I need to replace front control arm rear bushings on a 13 Crosstrek and buying an arm is cheaper than buying all the bushings and ball joint plus I don't have to go pressing out and in the bushings.

For the rack, you're a bit more isolated, so could go poly or even aluminum. Is the rack ready for replacement? I'd think the ends are probably ready. Of course, the timing belt, water pump and tensioners should be replaced and while you're in there, do the cam seals.

For the struts, you'd want to also be sure the top hats rotate freely. There's certainly a good chance they don't, in which case, you'd want to replace the struts and top hats. Springs typically don't go bad unless they break. Coilovers are like cheap sunglasses (ZZ Top reference). They're Chinese/Taiwanese garbage, where there are all kinds of brands that are made by the same factories and private labeled. I could start a new line of coilovers simply by contacting the factory, spec'ing what I want and sending money. Really good coilovers tend to be racecar focused. If you don't say "OMG, those are ******* expensive", they're likely garbage. The upside of coilovers is that you can lower your car to any level you want. But are you going to properly set the car up? Will you corner weigh it? If not, you're making your car into a dumpster.

Are all the fluids up to date? Brake, clutch, power steering, trans, diff, coolant? If not, change them all.

Now, you likely could be reading this and saying "Jack, by the time I do all this, I'll have a near new car but it's going to cost me more than the car is worth". Maybe. Some people (me) will do the math and sometimes say bye bye to the old, worn out car and buy something new. This was especially true when I was driving 30k miles a year for work.
So car has done 210,000km. I have owned it for nearly 3 years and it has just had a turboback exhaust and custome retune done. I have really looked after it and had almost no issues in the time I have owned it so I expected some things to come up sooner than later.

Yesterday i got all fluids done so all brake, transmission, diff, engine oil, coolant etc etc were all freshly replaced.

Thanks for all the info. In terms of getting the things done, I am a little shorter on funds atm as I spent money on tune, exhaust and now the big service. I have roughly $1,500 ($1,000 USD) aside to get these items sorted.

So I don't want to go too expensive but definintely for the steering bushings and shifter I want to upgrade those, even if it is only a small upgrade. I am happy leaving the rest of the items with stock replacements.

Im not wanting to lower the car tbh I like how it rides at stock level as I don't want to scrape every bloody thing haha.

So for shifter and Steering rack bushings, what would you recommend?

I also like the idea of a short shifter
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Old 07-30-2021, 07:34 PM   #7
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Plan on keeping car for a while?
Hey man 210,000km

And yes, owned car for 3 years and I look after it. Just had full exhaust and tune done and is now running 311bhp and 351nm/tq @ 15.5 psi on a really safe custom tune.

So definitely planning to keep even though I am planning on getting an STI ill probably have the WRX as my daily and the STI as the weekender
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Old 07-30-2021, 07:37 PM   #8
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alot of people interchange struts/shocks. they do the same thing. so when he's saying to replace those yes, it would be the struts and you could reuse springs/top hats that arent split.

honestly if i were in your shoes, pending your budget. i'd get a set of quality coilovers (cygnus x1 made by fortune auto), which would replace the struts and the tophats, and then go with a decent set of poly steering rack bushings. and finally go with turn in concepts holy shift kit for all the shifter bushings. all of that will be expensive but to me, it will be worth it. the car will feel significantly better than an oem setup and pending valving and spring rates, ride very well for a daily.
Hey man thanks for the reply. My budget is a bit low atm as I just did a full exhaust and custom tune and have just had all fluids replaced as well as a new set of very high quality tyres done.

So I have put aside $1,500 ($1,000 USD) to get these repairs done.

I'm happy to do most things stock except the shifter bushings and steering bushings as they seem to be the ones that should be upgraded to aftermarket.

Unless you recommend doing aftermarket stuts as well? I am not wanting coilovers just yet as I cannot afford them .

What about STI struts? Are they a good upgrade at all since I heard you can get those at good prices?

Any recommendations on what shifter and steering rack bushings?

Cheers
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Old 07-30-2021, 07:41 PM   #9
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Depending on your goals for the car and budget (track/auto-x, cruiser, canyon carver, etc) there are a ton of different options. I'm not too familiar with what is available in NZ/Aus, but Whiteline, SuperPro and Energy Suspension all have bushing kits for your car. I'd suggest moving up to poly bushings, there will be a little more noise and vibration in the cabin, but it will take a lot of play out of the components and give a much more connected driving feel. The shifter bushings with a short shifter (kart boy) will really make the shifter feel better.

A good strut/spring combo is great if you are using the car as a daily driver and occasional spirited drive. Feal offers really good struts that can be paired with STi or RCE lowering springs for a well mannered, nice handling car. Subaru Group N top hats work great as well. I'd also recommend looking at upgrading the sway bars, as they are probably pretty worn out as well. Have fun!
Thanks!! Just a daily driver for me that I take on the occasional spirited drive is the best way to put it. SO Poly bushings for both the steering and shifter? Is the noise and vibration that noticeable especially if I drive everyday?

Oh yes I didn't think of the sway bars!! I actually saw a video on that yesterday while looking at suspesnsion videos.
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Old 08-01-2021, 09:19 PM   #10
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Just had full exhaust and tune done and is now running 311bhp and 351nm/tq

Love when people say BHP when its measured by a dyno at the wheels/hub

What kind of dyno was it?

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Old 08-02-2021, 07:58 AM   #11
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Thanks!! Just a daily driver for me that I take on the occasional spirited drive is the best way to put it. SO Poly bushings for both the steering and shifter? Is the noise and vibration that noticeable especially if I drive everyday?

Oh yes I didn't think of the sway bars!! I actually saw a video on that yesterday while looking at suspesnsion videos.
Yeah, moving to upgraded bushings decreases a lot of the slop in the factory bushings and gives a much more connected feel. The NVH increase will probably be noticeable, but depending on all the other noises from exhaust, tires, etc, it may not add much. Personally, I don't mind it.
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