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Old 10-29-2020, 06:04 PM   #2926
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The real question isn't if you can afford to pay $40,000 cash for a car...

The real question is, "How much in depreciation can you afford to LOSE per year?"

If you buy the right car at the right price, and you can sell said car down the road for what you paid on it, its completely irrelevant what the price of the car was in the first place.

On the flip side, if you buy a $40k car that depreciates to $5k by the time you sell it, you have to be able to afford losing all that money.
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Old 10-29-2020, 06:07 PM   #2927
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I'm not the one with the reading comprehension issue. You're the one that said you took it on track/racing. Autox on an infield, slowed down by cones, is not on track, when you are at speeds lower than usually seen on tracks. Also, want me to get in on the term "racing"? (Tosses Solo Rules your way). Please point to me in the rules where it says autox is racing. It's a timed competition, but it's not racing... they actively avoid using the term. I have also participated in an autox, at Stafford Springs, CT, won the class in my BRZ, but I would never say it was "on track racing".

I know you're new to it. But please... just take it as a learning experience and go to more events and have fun. Most of us here know the difference between it all.

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Whether autoX is racing is a silly semantic exercise. The Solo official rules try to avoid "racing" in order to avoid insurance issues for street driven cars. The dictionary definition of "race" is "a contest of speed." That's literally what AutoX is.

But I very much agree AutoX on a road course is a lot different from an open road course. A lot of the STI's limitations on track aren't apparent until you open it up.
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Old 10-29-2020, 06:09 PM   #2928
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The real question isn't if you can afford to pay $40,000 cash for a car...

The real question is, "How much in depreciation can you afford to LOSE per year?"

If you buy the right car at the right price, and you can sell said car down the road for what you paid on it, its completely irrelevant what the price of the car was in the first place.

On the flip side, if you buy a $40k car that depreciates to $5k by the time you sell it, you have to be able to afford losing all that money.
Depreciation + running costs. STIs are great on the former, less so on the latter.
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Old 10-29-2020, 06:22 PM   #2929
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I'm not the one with the reading comprehension issue. You're the one that said you took it on track/racing. Autox on an infield, slowed down by cones, is not on track, when you are at speeds lower than usually seen on tracks. Also, want me to get in on the term "racing"? (Tosses Solo Rules your way). Please point to me in the rules where it says autox is racing. It's a timed competition, but it's not racing... they actively avoid using the term. I have also participated in an autox, at Stafford Springs, CT, won the class in my BRZ, but I would never say it was "on track racing".

I know you're new to it. But please... just take it as a learning experience and go to more events and have fun. Most of us here know the difference between it all.

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You sound like a pompous racing snob really...I never said I was doing open lap tracking you assumed that was what I was doing....stop assuming....I've copied you on the PPIR Track Attack rule book, you can see where it say it's a "racing league" I know you're new to this thing called reading comprehension....it's ok...

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Old 10-29-2020, 06:43 PM   #2930
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when I am looking at a resume to hire someone, if I see college on the resume, I only care to see if you finished, which why would you put it on there if not. so all that degree does is says: finishes what he/she starts.
When I start a meal, I finish it. Start to finish. Done. When I mow the yard, done. Done deal. I don't even **** around. And I cook my meat you better believe that **** is done. Heat, cook, done, serve, eat, done. DONE. START. DONE. DONE. PAY ME.


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Old 10-29-2020, 07:25 PM   #2931
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we need some new mule or Nurburgring testing pics bad lol
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Old 10-29-2020, 09:25 PM   #2932
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I wouldn't do that even if I could.
Better to put down a sizable down payment (say $10K) and take a loan out for $30K (at 0% APR if offered but even current rates are low enough).
I keep my remaining $30K invested and working for me; hopefully, returning more money than I'd be paying on that $30K auto loan.
Being able afford means not having to worry about how to spend the money. You can just buy it.

We don't think about buying a dollar menu burger.

If one can buy a $40k car like that, it means they can afford it
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Old 10-29-2020, 10:33 PM   #2933
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we need some new mule or Nurburgring testing pics bad lol


I think this is new. From https://creative311.com/?p=104561.
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Old 10-29-2020, 10:41 PM   #2934
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Here's some more! oNtehNURbruggrang
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Old 10-29-2020, 10:59 PM   #2935
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Clearly an EU or JDM model, USDM market isn't privileged enough to get a rear wiper.
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Old 10-30-2020, 03:04 AM   #2936
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I'm not the one with the reading comprehension issue. You're the one that said you took it on track/racing. Autox on an infield, slowed down by cones, is not on track, when you are at speeds lower than usually seen on tracks. Also, want me to get in on the term "racing"? (Tosses Solo Rules your way). Please point to me in the rules where it says autox is racing. It's a timed competition, but it's not racing... they actively avoid using the term. I have also participated in an autox, at Stafford Springs, CT, won the class in my BRZ, but I would never say it was "on track racing".

I know you're new to it. But please... just take it as a learning experience and go to more events and have fun. Most of us here know the difference between it all.

--kC (Past National Solo/ProSolo national champ, lost count of trophies)
Not sure what is worse, your pedantry between "track" and "autocross" or the fact that you are bragging to internet strangers about the number of trophies you've won.
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Old 10-30-2020, 07:22 AM   #2937
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The dictionary definition of "race" is "a contest of speed." That's literally what AutoX is.
It's a contest against time. Speed is many times your enemy on a course, as too much of it, and you're off-line and throwing time out the window you will never get back or be able to make up by going faster elsewhere (and why a cone penalty is adding 2 seconds to your time). It's also why cars with 100hp can have a lower time than those with 300+ hp. In other words, speeds are limited on the course on purpose... so it really cannot be called a contest of speed.

It's decidedly not a contest of speed. It's a contest of finding the shortest line around the course without losing time. Off line, you're losing time. The trick is finding that perfect line that doesn't allow you to lose time. Yes, it's zen-like. But that's what it is.

Edit: https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...s-isnt-racing/

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Old 10-30-2020, 07:28 AM   #2938
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Not sure what is worse, your pedantry between "track" and "autocross" or the fact that you are bragging to internet strangers about the number of trophies you've won.
1) I didn't brag about the number of trophies. Do you see me post a number?

2) Pedantry? No. Terminology. Would you tell someone that they're using terms incorrectly, like wheel vs tire? Or do you just let it go? I prefer people to understand the difference.

As I said, go enjoy the sport. Have fun with it.

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Old 10-30-2020, 08:38 AM   #2939
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To be fair, KC, no, you didn't post a specific number. But that's like defending yourself for stating that you have a "plethora". Is it a specific number? No. But saying that you have "too many trophies to count", or whatever, would indicate more than a few.

#humblebrag

Also, no one "called him out" on track vs autox because either:

1) We all assumed what he meant.

or

B) No one but you actually cares.

We were discussing racing an STI vs racing a WRX and how the STI is better-suited for racing.
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Old 10-30-2020, 11:13 AM   #2940
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I think this is new. From https://creative311.com/?p=104561.
Yes. Also from there, here is a Levorg for comparison. I think the front is nearly identical.

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Old 10-30-2020, 11:15 AM   #2941
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When I start a meal, I finish it. Start to finish. Done. When I mow the yard, done. Done deal. I don't even **** around. And I cook my meat you better believe that **** is done. Heat, cook, done, serve, eat, done. DONE. START. DONE. DONE. PAY ME.
man, you had me up until the steak.

if you had said:

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And I cook my meat you better believe that **** is rare. Heat, cook, rare, serve, eat, done.
we only hire people that cook/eat rare steak.
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Old 10-30-2020, 11:24 AM   #2942
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man, you had me up until the steak.

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we only hire people that cook/eat rare steak.
I think he meant finished, not well-done. I hope.
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Old 10-30-2020, 12:44 PM   #2943
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that hood line is really far up there...

i guess that means fewer rock chips on metal?

That levorg man... still so disappointed.
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Old 10-30-2020, 01:00 PM   #2944
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man, you had me up until the steak.

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we only hire people that cook/eat rare steak.
Did I sell you steak? Don't think I specified. READING COMPREHENSION OWN3S YEEEHHHH.
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Old 10-30-2020, 01:01 PM   #2945
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that hood line is really far up there...

i guess that means fewer rock chips on metal?

That levorg man... still so disappointed.
I think the hood line is a combination of pedestrian safety requirements & manufacturing costs being blended into the concept design; I know that's a blanket statement that can apply to most automotive design, but I think it's accurate here.

Subaru is out for me until they make something I actually want; a version of the Levorg could have been that, but it isn't going to be.
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Old 10-31-2020, 12:26 PM   #2946
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I think the hood line is a combination of pedestrian safety requirements & manufacturing costs being blended into the concept design; I know that's a blanket statement that can apply to most automotive design, but I think it's accurate here.

Subaru is out for me until they make something I actually want; a version of the Levorg could have been that, but it isn't going to be.
A Levorg STI would suit us so well nigh perfectly! A Porsche Panamera Tourismo, or an Audi RS6 for the regular working family.
That they could so easily bring what they have already designed and make, and refuse to bring here to their largest market is so infuriatingly frustrating that it evokes resentment. Itís an FU to many of us US Subaru fans.
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Old 10-31-2020, 02:07 PM   #2947
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Bah, close nuff.
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Old 10-31-2020, 02:12 PM   #2948
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Bah, close nuff.
Nope.
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Old 10-31-2020, 02:34 PM   #2949
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Nah, sewed up.
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Old 10-31-2020, 02:40 PM   #2950
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Nope.
as per SOA, we don't need 2 wagons. one of them already has a turbo engine and wagon body and more room than the other. neither would eat into the other's sales as they both have a purpose. one has no cladding, no lift, and no roof rails, and looks way more aggressive than the other. they need to experiment with the crosstrek. I hope the adrenaline concept is step towards a wrx hatch regardless of it being lifted. we will drop them ourselves. or find a way to swap out the outback shocks on the xt
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