02-05 WRX at Stage 2 vs. 06 WRX Stock/ Stage 1 fun factor poll

Petrus · 05-06-2006, 04:07 PM

So what's more fun? #'s torque specs blah blah blah, which car is more enjoyable to own and drive? People with experience in the matter are a plus

... BATTLE!

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wrxfactor · 05-06-2006, 04:11 PM

I'm going from Stage 2 WRX to a 2.5L block (no AVCS) so I'll let you know in a few days, although I'll still be Stage 2 with the 2.5L block. I'm gonna make an educated geuss and go with the 06 WRX though.

ScobyWRX · 05-06-2006, 04:38 PM

I had a Stg 2 02 WRX and now I have a 06 limited and I think it is a better car in every way, it handels better the inside is nicer and the power is much improved I cant wait to get my AP

Uncle Scotty · 05-06-2006, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petrus

So what's more fun? #'s torque specs blah blah blah, which car is more enjoyable to own and drive? People with experience in the matter are a plus

... BATTLE!

.........uuuummmmmmmmyagottabekiddingonthisimeanRE ALLY???????

REX8 · 05-06-2006, 06:08 PM

The 2.0l makes MORE lowend power...

so the no replacement for displacement line is out.

Obviously the 06 has a lot of other things goign for it that the 2.0l doesn't...but the motor (in THIS case) is not one of them...

REX8 · 05-06-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ScobyWRX

I had a Stg 2 02 WRX and now I have a 06 limited and I think it is a better car in every way, it handels better the inside is nicer and the power is much improved I cant wait to get my AP

Its MUCH improved over a stock WRX. Your stage II was more powerful...

REX8 · 05-06-2006, 06:11 PM

I'd still take an 06 in a heartbeat....

Snowphun · 05-06-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by REX8

The 2.0l makes MORE lowend power...

so the no replacement for displacement line is out.

Where did this chart come from? I find it hard to believe.

REX8 · 05-06-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowphun

Where did this chart come from? I find it hard to believe.

They are Cobb's dynos...laid over each other...

How could that be hard to believe? Its being forced a lot of boost in the low end to make that power.... Thats a STOCK 06 motor...

You can clearly see where the 2.0l gets boost shoved at it around 3k, where the 06 motor isn't nearly making as much (thats where the 2.0 takes that big jump...make perfect sense and you can feel it driving...)

Low 13's at 100+ sure as heck has to come from somewhere...

I would hope a modified 2.0 could hold its own against a stock engine...

Jump on the gas in a stock 06, then do it in a 2.0l. They feel fairly similar, the 06 just runs out of gas up top.

Done plenty of test pulls with a neighbors 06...the 2.0l on an OTS map is without question a near dead match through the low-middle RPMs for a stock 06...after that...I creep away

Again, I'd still take the 06...

If you want to see the stage II vs. stage II overlay, I have it from a guy on here...

EnterTheDragon · 05-06-2006, 07:41 PM

I want to see

waktasz · 05-06-2006, 07:41 PM

The 06 is a better daily driver. Easier to drive in the city and in traffic because of the low end torque. It doesn't kick you in the ass when boost comes on strong at higher RPMs like my 05 did. A stage 2 06 WRX should be fun though

Petrus · 05-06-2006, 08:36 PM

hmmmm... for cheaper-ness and kick in the ass I think I'm going to have to go with the 02-03 then, fun > *

EnterTheDragon · 05-06-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Petrus

hmmmm... for cheaper-ness and kick in the ass I think I'm going to have to go with the 02-03 then, fun > *

You missed the point, the kick in the ass happens because those models have no guts before the turbo spools up, where as the 06 has some go at low rpms.

Snowphun · 05-06-2006, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REX8

They are Cobb's dynos...laid over each other...

How could that be hard to believe? Its being forced a lot of boost in the low end to make that power.... Thats a STOCK 06 motor...

It's easy to find it hard to believe: the 2.5l car feels like it has better low end. I have a Cobb stage 2 MY02 and a stock MY02 and the low end is improved with the AP, but not to the point where it feels better down low than a 2.5l. I'm not saying it has more power, just that it feels like it does.

totalburnout · 05-06-2006, 09:18 PM

Lightened flywheel + lightweight pulleys on the 2.0L block + Stage 2 map and parts = a feeling of more power down low.

In reality the power comes on faster downlow because of the uppipe, but the pulleys and flywheel get the revs up faster so you achieve power in the same range but you're quicker to get to this range.

***Add in port and polished stock headers and you'll get more low end and top end power, plus a more linear powerband.

***Add in an upgraded TMIC or FMIC and you'll get a more linear powerband and *MIGHT* (depending on engine management) see more boost that would give you more power and earlier.

***Add in a port and polished td04 turbo and a port and polished downpipe. Now you have all the bolt ons to get as much power as possible out of the stock turbo. After these bolt ons, if you want more power downlow or anywhere - you're going to have to start building the engine.

This is what I'm doing for my 2.0L block (minus the lightened flywheel atleast until my clutch goes and I'm down there anyway).

The 2006's will always have a handicap over us, because there's no replacement for displacement.

My ideal setup would be H6 or inline six with a quick spooling turbo, or a 2.5L block bored over to 3.0L - thats the only way that we'll ever make power downlow.

02wrbrex · 05-06-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by totalburnout

My ideal setup would be H6 inline six with a turbo.

Um a horizontally apposed inline six. Doesnt make sense?

EtoS · 05-06-2006, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REX8

The 2.0l makes MORE lowend power...

so the no replacement for displacement line is out.

Obviously the 06 has a lot of other things goign for it that the 2.0l doesn't...but the motor (in THIS case) is not one of them...

Wow comparing stock to stage 2. I wonder where the chart for stage 2 2.0 and stage 2 2.5 is and let's see where it stands then.

HAL1 · 05-06-2006, 10:43 PM

I really liked the thread title and was hoping to read more than just "I'd rather drive an '06". My view is that I have an '05 and am jealous of the '06 but I'm not going to trade it in, but after stage 2 on my '05 will I be just about as happy as to how compares with an '06?

totalburnout · 05-07-2006, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02wrbrex

Um a horizontally apposed inline six. Doesnt make sense?

h6 or* inline six

totalburnout · 05-07-2006, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EtoS

Wow comparing stock to stage 2. I wonder where the chart for stage 2 2.0 and stage 2 2.5 is and let's see where it stands then.

Read the question.

It wasn't "Oh a 2.0L Stage 2 will make more power than a 2.5L Stage 2. It was what does a Stage 2 aka modified 2.0L feel like in comparison to a stock 2.5L.

There's no replacement for displacement. Of course the 2.5L is going to be a better platform, so long as it flows equally as well as the 2.0L.

boostinscooby · 05-07-2006, 12:33 AM

buy a marauder ftw

dj_booduh · 05-07-2006, 07:19 AM

/ thread FTW!!!

D fresh · 05-07-2006, 07:21 AM

What's better, a chicken sammich or a ham sammich?

dj_booduh · 05-07-2006, 07:41 AM

Chkn FTW!!!

D fresh · 05-07-2006, 07:46 AM

No way man, ham is teh fastar through my system.

View Poll Results: So which is more fun to drive and own???
02-05 WRX Stage 2 FTW!	58	45.67%
Damn, even a Stage 1 02-05 is more fun than that 06 lux-mobile	9	7.09%
Stock 06 WRX, bish! No replacement for displacement!	51	40.16%
Farking get a Marauder!	9	7.09%
Voters: 127. You may not vote on this poll

05-06-2006, 04:07 PM	#1
Petrus Scooby Specialist Member#: 71795 Join Date: Oct 2004 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Thread Improvement Task Force Vehicle: 2006 Impreza WRX5spd FREAKIN' BLUE!!!	02-05 WRX at Stage 2 vs. 06 WRX Stock/ Stage 1 fun factor poll So what's more fun? #'s torque specs blah blah blah, which car is more enjoyable to own and drive? People with experience in the matter are a plus ... BATTLE! * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

05-06-2006, 09:18 PM	#15
totalburnout Scooby Specialist Member#: 72861 Join Date: Oct 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: North Jersey	Lightened flywheel + lightweight pulleys on the 2.0L block + Stage 2 map and parts = a feeling of more power down low. In reality the power comes on faster downlow because of the uppipe, but the pulleys and flywheel get the revs up faster so you achieve power in the same range but you're quicker to get to this range. *Add in port and polished stock headers and you'll get more low end and top end power, plus a more linear powerband. Add in an upgraded TMIC or FMIC and you'll get a more linear powerband and MIGHT* (depending on engine management) see more boost that would give you more power and earlier. **Add in a port and polished td04 turbo and a port and polished downpipe. Now you have all the bolt ons to get as much power as possible out of the stock turbo. After these bolt ons, if you want more power downlow or anywhere - you're going to have to start building the engine. This is what I'm doing for my 2.0L block (minus the lightened flywheel atleast until my clutch goes and I'm down there anyway). The 2006's will always have a handicap over us, because there's no replacement for displacement. My ideal setup would be H6 or inline six with a quick spooling turbo, or a 2.5L block bored over to 3.0L - thats the only way that we'll ever make power downlow. Last edited by totalburnout; 05-07-2006 at 12:29 AM.*

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05-06-2006, 04:11 PM	#2
wrxfactor Scooby Specialist Member#: 49978 Join Date: Dec 2003 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Shrewsbury, MA Vehicle: 2002 WRX w/ JDM STi 6spd, EJ255, VF39 & EWG	I'm going from Stage 2 WRX to a 2.5L block (no AVCS) so I'll let you know in a few days, although I'll still be Stage 2 with the 2.5L block. I'm gonna make an educated geuss and go with the 06 WRX though.

05-06-2006, 04:38 PM	#3
ScobyWRX Scooby Newbie Member#: 49690 Join Date: Dec 2003 Vehicle: 2006 WRX limited Gray	I had a Stg 2 02 WRX and now I have a 06 limited and I think it is a better car in every way, it handels better the inside is nicer and the power is much improved I cant wait to get my AP

05-06-2006, 06:08 PM	#5
REX8 * Banned * Member#: 24038 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Godspeed Cale...	The 2.0l makes MORE lowend power... so the no replacement for displacement line is out. Obviously the 06 has a lot of other things goign for it that the 2.0l doesn't...but the motor (in THIS case) is not one of them...

05-06-2006, 06:11 PM	#7
REX8 * Banned * Member#: 24038 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Godspeed Cale...	I'd still take an 06 in a heartbeat....

05-06-2006, 07:41 PM	#10
EnterTheDragon Scooby Guru Member#: 6511 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: West of the Atlantic	I want to see

05-06-2006, 07:41 PM	#11
waktasz Scooby Guru Member#: 86356 Join Date: May 2005 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Vehicle: 2018 Aprilia Tuono v4 1100	The 06 is a better daily driver. Easier to drive in the city and in traffic because of the low end torque. It doesn't kick you in the ass when boost comes on strong at higher RPMs like my 05 did. A stage 2 06 WRX should be fun though

05-06-2006, 08:36 PM	#12
Petrus Scooby Specialist Member#: 71795 Join Date: Oct 2004 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Thread Improvement Task Force Vehicle: 2006 Impreza WRX5spd FREAKIN' BLUE!!!	hmmmm... for cheaper-ness and kick in the ass I think I'm going to have to go with the 02-03 then, fun > *

05-06-2006, 10:43 PM	#18
HAL1 Scooby Specialist Member#: 58926 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Phoenix, AZ - Chandler Vehicle: 2013 WRX 5dr ISM 2011 Infiniti EX35	I really liked the thread title and was hoping to read more than just "I'd rather drive an '06". My view is that I have an '05 and am jealous of the '06 but I'm not going to trade it in, but after stage 2 on my '05 will I be just about as happy as to how compares with an '06?

05-07-2006, 12:33 AM	#21
boostinscooby Scooby Specialist Member#: 91560 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portales, NM Vehicle: 2012 STi Hatch SWP	buy a marauder ftw

05-07-2006, 07:19 AM	#22
dj_booduh Scooby Specialist Member#: 70861 Join Date: Sep 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Chicago Vehicle: 2005 Scoobie WRX PSM	/ thread FTW!!!

05-07-2006, 07:21 AM	#23
D fresh Scooby Specialist Member#: 95459 Join Date: Sep 2005 Vehicle: the activity level of AutoX is > than F1	What's better, a chicken sammich or a ham sammich?

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05-07-2006, 07:46 AM	#25
D fresh Scooby Specialist Member#: 95459 Join Date: Sep 2005 Vehicle: the activity level of AutoX is > than F1	No way man, ham is teh fastar through my system.