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Old 07-31-2019, 07:35 AM   #301
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I'd say 50-70. In my line of work there's lots of retired Military and they love their Vettes, in fact the VFW Chapter here has both a bike club and a Vette club. That being said, GM was very vocal about the C7 when it came out about capturing a younger and broader market demographic and I think they did very well at that.
I was always in the "I don't want a vette" club, only exception being the C2, preferably with a 427, but thanks to the C8 I'm interested in the potential of 6mt C6 values dropping out, or the C8 getting a proper manual; I know the DCT is quicker blah blah blah; I don't care, I want to row my own gears, and a mid-engine performance car with a V8 for 60k is a shockingly good value in my mind, even with the DCT, And I'm still a good ways out of the "old man" bracket. If Chevy was targeting younger buyers, I think they've nailed it here.
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Old 07-31-2019, 08:38 PM   #302
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Old guys have money for a $60k car, though. Under 30: no money, saddled with student loan debt. 30-40: young children, parents staring at the horizon of out of control school costs in 10 years. 40-50: kids in college draining the play money. 60: kids are finally out of college and they can afford the vette.
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Old 07-31-2019, 09:37 PM   #303
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Wow, I love it. Never been a huge Corvette fan, aside from the classics (early 70s and older), but would consider buying this as a weekend car.
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Old guys have money for a $60k car, though. Under 30: no money, saddled with student loan debt. 30-40: young children, parents staring at the horizon of out of control school costs in 10 years. 40-50: kids in college draining the play money. 60: kids are finally out of college and they can afford the vette.
Or, hear me out on this. Donít have kids in your 20ís and early 30ís and work during college, maybe take a little longer than normal, come out with minimal debt, work a good career and buy fun cars.

Oh, investing helps too.
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Old 08-01-2019, 02:40 AM   #305
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or don't have kids?
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:30 AM   #306
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Or, hear me out on this. Don’t have kids in your 20’s and early 30’s and work during college, maybe take a little longer than normal, come out with minimal debt, work a good career and buy fun cars.

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That is all great, rational advice and pretty much exactly where I am in life. I could buy a new C8 as a toy without impacting my plans to retire, my daughter's college savings, or my timeline to pay off my house. But as someone who has made largely very rational decisions my entire life, giving up that much opportunity cost for a sports car is far too irrational. When I'm 50 or 60 (and all of my financial plans have worked out), I'd be much more likely to spend big on something that really doesn't make much sense because I'm so much closer to the finish line.

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or don't have kids?
That is honestly who they are going for in the young crowd: the irrational person in their 30s/40s that has a decent job (engineer, lawyer) and makes impulsive decisions. They can get away with it because of no kids and they already have enough toys they can offload a few of them when things go upside down.
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:38 AM   #307
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Or, hear me out on this. Donít have kids in your 20ís and early 30ís and work during college, maybe take a little longer than normal, come out with minimal debt, work a good career and buy fun cars.

Oh, investing helps too.
Or like he said above, don't have kids at all. They are not a requirement. Too many act like they are. They are a requirement like watching bad reality tv is a requirement. Buying a CUV is a requirement. Living your life as a cracker mainstreamer is a requirement. Do the world a favor, don't have them as the world is already overpopulated and just getting worse. Or do you have them, enjoy them, and quit whining about their cost. Nobody puts a gun to someone's head and says "YOU MUST HAVE CHILLREN"

Work in college is correct. What I did. Came out of school with 2 degrees and less than 20k owed. I also stayed in state so no out of state tuition, avoided dorms and the fees associated. This "School costs so much" is a bunch of bs. Not if you actually work during college and stay in state and choose a state university. I could have afforded a Vette or this Vette in particular while in college as I was making good money by my senior year but I did no such thing. And wouldn't now either.
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Work in college is correct. What I did. Came out of school with 2 degrees and less than 20k owed. I also stayed in state so no out of state tuition, avoided dorms and the fees associated. This "School costs so much" is a bunch of bs. Not if you actually work during college and stay in state and choose a state university. I could have afforded a Vette or this Vette in particular while in college as I was making good money by my senior year but I did no such thing. And wouldn't now either.

I actually did everything you said, came out with 2 engineering degrees and $18k in debt (even managed a semester abroad). My wife had $0 debt and a nursing degree.

That doesnít change the fact that the same state school has tripled tuition since I graduated just 14 years ago. There were options for cheap dorms (like the one I lived in a single year). Those have all been decommissioned in favor of suite style dorms at a significantly higher cost. My dorm didnít have A/C! Iím just saying that things have changed.
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:34 AM   #309
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I owed approx 75K for 3 degrees when I came out. Cost of education is nothing as long as you need the education and intend to leverage it. If you're going to go work for the man to pay the mortgage, then all you need is literacy and arithmetic. That said, I hate what has happened to our education system, but they somehow still did a great job on the new Vette
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Old 08-01-2019, 01:47 PM   #310
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Once that camo came off, I took back everything I said about how this car would look. Shame about not offering a manual, but it could always be offered later if there was a demand. A rear MR in that bracket would be a good FU to the NSX.
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Once that camo came off, I took back everything I said about how this car would look. Shame about not offering a manual, but it could always be offered later if there was a demand. A rear MR in that bracket would be a good FU to the NSX.
Iíd be damn surprised if they offered a manual. This car will already likely be a middle finger to the NSX. The NSX isnít all that impressive especially factoring in price. Pretty sure the outgoing Corvette is faster than the NSX. That said, I doubt very many people are cross shopping an NSX against a corvette. Chevy will now have hundreds of thousands of people handing over their older Vette for this one and could very well take away business from Ford, itís already taking business away from Toyota with the new Supra.

Assuming this car is relatively issue free, I have a feeling it will be the best market launched and first year selling sports car for the past 10 years of not ever. Itís a ****ing bargain for what youíre getting.
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Old 08-01-2019, 03:06 PM   #312
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GM said the car wasn't engineered for a manual - specifically, room for the clutch pedal and ancillaries wasn't carved out, so adding one now would make the pedals too close together... Maybe if we scream loud enough - but not sure I'd want it in manual as explained by earlier post.
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Old 08-01-2019, 03:23 PM   #313
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The Ford GT doesn't have a row your own. I'm thinking that's the benchmark for this Vette.
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:21 PM   #314
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I'm resigned to learning to do the shifting from my finger tips. Getting rid of the clutch isn't a big deal either since I never use it on the motorcycle for upshifts anyway. All the motor memory skill building will happen over the course of a few weeks and it'll be good.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:30 PM   #315
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Shoot, even I'd consider the C8, and I slob on Subaru's knob. I'd wait until I could get it for invoice, which means I'll never get one. Works for me since I have other plans for the future anyway.
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Sounds like Chevy dealers might appreciate their loyalty customera more than Ford. I was talking with one of the neurosurgeons today before this tumor case about cars (he’s owned an LFA, 918, several Ferrari’s, gt3rs, gt2, the list goes on). He’s also been a long time corvette buyer and the dealer reached out to him and offered him the 2nd guaranteed delivery of corvette for no ADM (showed me the email so no, he wasn’t blow smoke). Looked on the forums and apparently several people have been contacted who are loyalty customers and being offered no ADM. Apparently he is holding out for the ZR1 model. Also has an order for the Taycann.

Lucky bastard.
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Shoot, even I'd consider the C8, and I slob on Subaru's knob.
Year 1 of your therapy done.
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Old 08-02-2019, 03:54 PM   #318
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And it'd only cost me $60k!
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Here's what you get for the base, "bare-bones" cheapest vette at $60k: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...nal-equipment/

Order guide: https://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/NA...ehicleID=21905
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GM said the car wasn't engineered for a manual - specifically, room for the clutch pedal and ancillaries wasn't carved out, so adding one now would make the pedals too close together... Maybe if we scream loud enough - but not sure I'd want it in manual as explained by earlier post.
I also read that the center tunnel is so large because itís a major structural piece of the ďchassisĒ and also why the outside sills are small. They also said a hole in this tunnel for a manual would compromise the rigidity this tunnel provides. Really sounding like a manual isnít in the cards period......
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:41 PM   #321
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Ditching chrome wheels to attract a younger crowd
https://jalopnik.com/in-desperate-at...men-1836909441

I don't know if chromes are for the older demo but maybe chrome trim is. Depends on the car though right? Buicks look great with lots of chrome right? GM loves chrome. I spent the first 2 weekends with my Chevy to black out the chrome. This must have been hard from them to do. I think the only car(s) I actually like with chrome trim and wheels is a Lexus.
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:12 PM   #322
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Ditching chrome wheels to attract a younger crowd
https://jalopnik.com/in-desperate-at...men-1836909441

I don't know if chromes are for the older demo but maybe chrome trim is. Depends on the car though right? Buicks look great with lots of chrome right? GM loves chrome. I spent the first 2 weekends with my Chevy to black out the chrome. This must have been hard from them to do. I think the only car(s) I actually like with chrome trim and wheels is a Lexus.
Dealers will happily chrome the wheels for tacky-ass buyers, just like Chrysler dealers did with landau tops on the 300C.
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:21 AM   #323
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Chrome only looks good on old classic cars from the 50's, 60's, and 70's IMO. I hate it on modern cars, especially sports cars.
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Old 08-05-2019, 12:22 PM   #324
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Old 08-05-2019, 01:38 PM   #325
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Does Tremec have much of a history making DCT's? I think this is a car that's going to have a lot of teething issues especially given it's a GM product and will have plenty of build quality issues.
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